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I was sitting back thinking of the glory days of old at the state fair speedway and was remembering how much I loved the non wing modifieds they used to run. Would this be impossible to start back up maybe in place of the pro stocks?

I think they bring a lot of excitement and serve as a good training step for sprint car racing before you move up to the high speeds of the wingers. I can't think of anywhere else that runs a non wing class and it would take a while to start back up but aren't the pro stock car counts dwindling anyway? Is a non wing sprinter cheaper than a pro stock?

A guy can dream cant he.

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I would personnaly love to see non-wings return to weekly racing at sfs. But at the same time wouldn't that just be the same as taking the wings off the champs? I think if they did it for the reasons you stated above.........they would need motor rules to keep the costs down...........maybe crate motors or claims. And I'm also of the opinion its a class they could just add without taking any away. I'm still 110% against elimintaing the pro stocks. So much was made of their low count the 1st half of the season......and yet it's been overlooked that their #'s did rise some while the real problem turned out to be the factory stocks. I think 15 pro's is a lot more understandable than 17 factories. Just look at the nature of the classes. No, the pro stocks have been basically screwed by the factories. well.......you know what I mean. The factory stock rules have been opened up so much that a few of those guys with the money don't have to go to pro stocks to spend it.......they can stay and spend it in the factories and dominate. And I don't think restrictors will help. The only thing to truly remedy that situation is very simply..........motor claims. Then if your top 5 or 6 factories want to shell out money they can go do it in the pro stocks or modifieds. Just a few of those dominant cars moving on I think would bring a couple each from your saturday night tracks in the region. None of this happens because Lanny don't care enough to police or enforce it. I mean, it's something you'd really have to stick to and pey some educated folks money to stay at the track to deal with the claims. But motor claims in the factories would - ironically - benefit the Pro Stocks just as much as the factories.

As far as the sprints go.........As the champs continue to fall off........which I think in completion is still a ways off...........you can continue to run the supers - and while doing that slowly introduce non-wings (with a good rulebook that makes sense) and also accelerate the amount of ascs shows held at sfs. ESPECIALLY the Sooner Region. I think the Sooner region should 4 or 5 shows at okc. Problem is you follow that race with Lawton.......and I don't think most of those guys like Lawton (except Ramey and Jennings). Guess you could run CCS a couple of those saturdays following the sfs show. makes sense. Although you had better hope the area is not in a drought because the arsonist promoter up at Creek would be liable to burn the whole place down. nobody wants that.....although be assured if it happened internet photos would surely follow. thye may even dance around the fire. lol. anyhow............

I think there should ALWAYS be 2 sprint classes running at SFS. What worries me is that Lanny seems primed to get rid of a class instead of altering the rules to better suit the overall show.........the classes which will most be at risk for this is pro stocks and champ sprints. I don't think he'll ever touch the factories, why is for another time and place. But Lanny seems primed to boot a class so he can bring in limited modifieds and possible save himself some money. It will never be an even trade. If he brings in limiteds he should do it w/o booting a class. And he needs to run 5 classes a night. Always run 2 sprint classes.......even when ascs is there.........and then bring limiteds to have 4 stock car classes........while running 3 of those each friday and rotating just the stock cars. you get the idea. If supers or champs need a night off..........do it when ascs is here. Alternate supers and champs to run with ascs. With what it is costing to run a champ sprint......drivers might as well run a super sprint or ascs car. so that class will continue to decline slowly. And no matter how much it pains me to say it.......someone needs to be waiting in the wings to bring 305's into Oklahoma. It eventually has to happen. BTW what is Lanny's problem exactly with claims? the time involved?

But out of everything I just mentioned.........very little of it will ever happen. But occasionally I like to sit and ........dream........for lack of a better word.

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in reply to the last question............I guess it would depend on the motor the non-wings would run. I'm under the impression that the pro stocks and champ sprints run very similar motors with the same Brodix cylinder heads.

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I know they tried to get an 305 non-wing class going up around Tulsa. I dont think it caught on very well. I heard ramblings that people didnt think the rules were that cool. I would not mind seeing a non-wing class around here though.

It would need a change in mind set for some people though because alot still think the wings are where it is at. I did not mean to start a wing vs non-wing debate with that last staement.

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in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
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That class was at Creek County and never even got started as Ted Holt relignuished his control of Creek last year and Hahn and Carpenter seen no need for the class , it was a 350 type motor , with specs rules where you could build it for around $3,000 to $3,500 , was to be a beginner class and try to get some of the Mini Sprint guys to move up to the 2 Bar. class. around the Tulsa area.

I like your idea of running two sprint classes each Friday. I actually don't go to the races when one of them are off. You'll need two classes of sprints to get me to drive from Seminole. I think if you ran the supers with the ASCS it would be tough because don't most of the local guys use the same car but use an ASCS motor and of course the bigger wing. Therefore they would have to choose between regular track points or ASCS money. I wasn't even thinking of the low factory stock counts, that kinda snuck up on us. Remember the old street stocks? They would have to put them in that grassy area off one and two outside the 5/8. Like 60 cars or more. Of course that was the good ole days. Your right that the pro's did come back strong and I like their higher speeds and watching Steve Smith wiggle the wheel is something I don't think I could go without.

Yes you would need some good rules and limits on the non wingers but don't you need to police the rules in any class? Poor Lanny, what a narrow minded man. 305's would seem to be a good fit and yeah, you may get some of those mini sprint guys from that track down the road.

I wish they ran two full shows for the winter nats instead of the heats one night and the feaches on Sat. That would be much cooler.

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I say we run a series at OKC. 2 nights half mile, 2 nights 3/8. Each track runs 1 of those nights non-wing, 1 winged. That will make you a driver.

Lee would probably save money not tearing up a wing.  just kiddin lol

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On Friday nite you run heats and a feature in each class and on Saturday nite you run just features

good post with several good points. As for super sprints and ascs......yeah I could see a slight conflict, but the vast majority don't run both. Those who do I think have more than 1 car - I think........it would still be a good show........but a good show we'll never see as Lanny doesn;t want to pay 1500 AND whatever the supers get now. Greed........maybe........but many of us would probably do the same thing. In response to nights when they only have 1 sprint class - Lanny loves those night....With only 2 b-mains (mods and sprints) that usually means he gets a hot dog break.

Lanny and SFS have sure benefitted from the crop of youngsters that have come out of I-44. He also made quite a bit of dough off Trey Robb. attendance was bigger than had been in 20 years. If you think about it -----a good chunk of the future of SFS depends on the well-being and what not of I-44. And many - MANY have quit runnin there due to their promoter. Although ain't the lease on the track up at the conclusion of the year - either way as long as I-44 does good it can deliver a few drivers to the bigger sprints. And at the same time when you ain't got nothin to do you can go check out some mini-sprint racin. I-44 and ASCS2 and Port City are actually really important to the states dirt track racing. They should get more recognition and support than they do.

And yeah I hate that Winter Nationals format. I don't mind it so much at the Bowl because they have ASCS running 2 full shows. At sfs 2 full shows locking in top 4 or 6 or somthin would be better for viewing pleasure. But I'll be happy as long as the track holds up and we see good racing.......

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LOL...........

Lee's got some weird luck. He either finishes on his lid or in the top 5.

I like your idea Cheese.....but Lanny would silently argue that would be more track prep..........we know what he thinks about that.

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Luck and Lee are not two words to put in same sentence, We prefer to look at it as CHAMPION growing pains!

Okcfan12 not trying to dog your post or anything like that but alot of the younger driver are heading right to full midgets out of the micro cars. They are by passing the sprint car ranks in Oklahoma totaly. Yes some of them do run winged sprints but not on a regular basis. I could be wrong but I think in the top 25 at Bellville Midget Nationals this year at least three of the drivers were from Oklahoma and all started in Micro's and their dads drove winged cars.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

no doggin' takin man..........and you're right. Donnie Ray Crawford, Brady Bacon, Dustin Morgan,Cody Brewer, Matt Sherrill.........yes the micros contribute not only to wings but nonwings as well. And to take your point a step further..........non-wing racing is something Oklahoma needs A LOT more of. In hindsight.........what I shoulda said was that the micro tracks and series contribute to on a state, regional, and national scale to both winged and non-winged racing. It's all true either way....... I see what you mean. But man we really do need a non-wing class at SFS..........

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Kids who have family that can afford it or find someone willing to put up the $$ to take them straight from the Micro's to Midgets, Those mentioned above most have money or connections to money, It's all about the cash and how much you have, there are a lot of young drivers that should be there but don't have the cash to get there. Not saying the ones that are mentioned above don't deserve to be there , it's just they have an avenue of $$ to help them get there quicker.

Get rid Of Sprint cars All Together and Pro stocks And bring In Late models and B mod Class And You Will Have some awesome Racing JMO.

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Real race cars don't have fenders, that's why. It's all speculation and dreaming if you ask me. We all have a favorite class. That's what we all would rather see. I like open wheel cars. No secret there. That's what i'd like to see, therefore. Wings, no wings, who cares? Just bring em out and run em. The other classes, to me, are just fillers. A good time to take a leak or get a drink of my favorite beverage. JMO.

you're in the wrong state for that my friend. If you want late models in best form.......go way north or to the northeast. There are good late model races around here.......but the further north and east you go the bigger and better.

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Deep -- Any time you post something that's just plain silly you're supposed to put a smiley face after the comment.

I remember one night when I went to the concession stand at SFS and there was no line -- it was one of those stands on the mezzanine level walkway. I told the attendant how surprised I was that there was no wait. She said, "The sprint cars must be running."

"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."

Born And raised In This state My Friend And Watched And love Sprint car racing all My life Still do But Just happen to Alike Full bodie racing Better. And We In This state Have Not seen A WoO Race In years Which Is Supposed to The Cream Of The Crop Why Is That? But You can Watch Mod Races All Over this State Big races So I think Its Dieing And If Not for ASCS You Sprint guys Would not Have Nothing. But local Racing JMO

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