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kingracing76
November 09, 2016 at 01:47:19 AM
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I would like to thank the sprint car teams and fans of Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Ohio for voting!




minthess
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November 09, 2016 at 08:04:41 AM
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Triple Xs are going to be 10 grand now.  LOL


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Feese11
November 09, 2016 at 09:33:07 AM
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I would like to thank the sprint car teams and fans of Pennsylvania, Indiana, and Ohio for voting!



I'll second that!    Sponsorship for all forms of racing will improve now over time as businesses are given much needed relief from too many regulations, a lower and fair tax rate, along with the burden of NObamacare repealed and replaced!   




blazer00
November 09, 2016 at 10:44:05 AM
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Posted By: Feese11 on November 09 2016 at 09:33:07 AM

I'll second that!    Sponsorship for all forms of racing will improve now over time as businesses are given much needed relief from too many regulations, a lower and fair tax rate, along with the burden of NObamacare repealed and replaced!   



By golly that's right.....(sarcasm).....let's put even more people on the not insured list so those of us who pay our taxes and do carry health insurance can continue to pay for those who don't. End of my political rant!



sprintcarfanatic
November 09, 2016 at 04:58:12 PM
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Just think if we had 3% they could put about 60% of the 95 million out of work to work & everything else would fall into place right ? Including free triple X's https://www.hoseheadforums.com/images/Main/smile_100x100.gifhttps://www.hoseheadforums.com/images/Main/smile_100x100.gif



Feese11
November 10, 2016 at 09:17:20 AM
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By golly that's right.....(sarcasm).....let's put even more people on the not insured list so those of us who pay our taxes and do carry health insurance can continue to pay for those who don't. End of my political rant!



By golly you're right....(sarcasm).....NObamacare is so great and working out just as promised.   Most American families are now paying an average of $4,100 more with much higher deductibles versus saving $2,500 while NOT being able to keep their same doctor as they were told.   The new healthcare system Trump puts out will allow people choices in plans and doctor that cross state lines, creating competition which brings rates way down as insurance companies have to compete.   This will benefit all Americans and businesses.   You and I have always paid for the non insured as it is called the emergency room!   End of my political rant!     




ohReally?
November 10, 2016 at 11:03:20 AM
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By golly you're right....(sarcasm).....NObamacare is so great and working out just as promised.   Most American families are now paying an average of $4,100 more with much higher deductibles versus saving $2,500 while NOT being able to keep their same doctor as they were told.   The new healthcare system Trump puts out will allow people choices in plans and doctor that cross state lines, creating competition which brings rates way down as insurance companies have to compete.   This will benefit all Americans and businesses.   You and I have always paid for the non insured as it is called the emergency room!   End of my political rant!     



Until people realize that thier are certain things people should not profit off of, such as the health of a human being, you will always continue to pay more than what you rightfully should. 

But people like you continue to think that health insurance companies will provide competitive pricing if there are less restrictions. They have no incentive to. Just like before, they had no incentive to cover pre-existing illnesses. They will make decision that will make them more profitable at your expense. You are seeing it in the rate hikes currently, all they are looking for is more profit. Mainly because americans are unhealthy, a product of the lack of medical coverage for so many for so many years. This is why insurance companies are raising thier rates. 

The health providers and pharmaceutical companies are just as bad. Let them get rich by overcharging for medicines and procedures for people who need it.

The idea Obama had about universal health care was a good one. The implementation of his program was not as good. His issue was trying to keep the health insurance industry afloat. In my opinion he was damned either way, either create a program that causes 2.5 million people to lose thier jobs, or listen to people bitch about how they have to have insurance and now thier rates are going up.

Please tell me Feese11, why would your insurance company cut rates for you when you are currently paying them? The only reason would be if they cut benefits. Sounds like a plan that will work to me.



blazer00
November 10, 2016 at 12:09:09 PM
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Until people realize that thier are certain things people should not profit off of, such as the health of a human being, you will always continue to pay more than what you rightfully should. 

But people like you continue to think that health insurance companies will provide competitive pricing if there are less restrictions. They have no incentive to. Just like before, they had no incentive to cover pre-existing illnesses. They will make decision that will make them more profitable at your expense. You are seeing it in the rate hikes currently, all they are looking for is more profit. Mainly because americans are unhealthy, a product of the lack of medical coverage for so many for so many years. This is why insurance companies are raising thier rates. 

The health providers and pharmaceutical companies are just as bad. Let them get rich by overcharging for medicines and procedures for people who need it.

The idea Obama had about universal health care was a good one. The implementation of his program was not as good. His issue was trying to keep the health insurance industry afloat. In my opinion he was damned either way, either create a program that causes 2.5 million people to lose thier jobs, or listen to people bitch about how they have to have insurance and now thier rates are going up.

Please tell me Feese11, why would your insurance company cut rates for you when you are currently paying them? The only reason would be if they cut benefits. Sounds like a plan that will work to me.



Good post! Again, how do you get people to see through all the smoke and mirrors? You can't unfortunately. For years the insurance companies have stated that there is no money to be made for them in health care. Yet when the government proposes to take the burden of providing health care away from the insurance companies they raise all kinds of hell. Wouldn't you think that if someone was willing to take a money loser away from you, that you would welcome it with open arms? Who the hell can't see through that? In the past 30 or so years I have talked with a multitude of Canadian sprint car fans. I even have some as customers. I ask every one of them for their opinion of the health care system in Canada. I get a resounding positive answer! Yet here in the U.S. we choose to believe the propaganda that is bantered about regarding Canada's Universal health coverage. We even believe 90% of the propaganda about ObamaCare. Why do the politicians and the insurance companies fight it so hard......$$$$$$$ for the insurance industry and the prescription drug companies. 



Feese11
November 10, 2016 at 01:17:45 PM
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Until people realize that thier are certain things people should not profit off of, such as the health of a human being, you will always continue to pay more than what you rightfully should. 

But people like you continue to think that health insurance companies will provide competitive pricing if there are less restrictions. They have no incentive to. Just like before, they had no incentive to cover pre-existing illnesses. They will make decision that will make them more profitable at your expense. You are seeing it in the rate hikes currently, all they are looking for is more profit. Mainly because americans are unhealthy, a product of the lack of medical coverage for so many for so many years. This is why insurance companies are raising thier rates. 

The health providers and pharmaceutical companies are just as bad. Let them get rich by overcharging for medicines and procedures for people who need it.

The idea Obama had about universal health care was a good one. The implementation of his program was not as good. His issue was trying to keep the health insurance industry afloat. In my opinion he was damned either way, either create a program that causes 2.5 million people to lose thier jobs, or listen to people bitch about how they have to have insurance and now thier rates are going up.

Please tell me Feese11, why would your insurance company cut rates for you when you are currently paying them? The only reason would be if they cut benefits. Sounds like a plan that will work to me.



A high majority of the insurance companies that originally signed on to obamacare have been dropping out leaving only one option for people.   Those companies that dropped out did so because they lost a ton of money and not becaiuse they were making a huge profit.   The high rates with high deductibles is a result of the insurance companies taking on a bunch of people with pre-existing illnesses and not enough young healthy people signing up to make up for it.   Now Americans are paying much more for lesser coverage with ridiculously high dedcutibles.   Many businesses and Americans are opting to pay the fine over signing up.    Obamacare was a power grab by the Democrats who want to control everything and was guaranteed to fail as it implodes right before our eyes.   If Hillary had won she would have moved Obamacare to a single payer system like Canada has which is not good.   Insurance companies WILL CUT RATES when they are forced to compete for customers.   Right now they do not have to compete but when Obamacare is replaced with a new healthcare system that opens up choice for consumers that crosses stae lines then you will see costs drop dramtically as that is what competition does.   Remove all the regulations and let companies compete and the market will take care of itself.   That's capitalism. 




blazer00
November 10, 2016 at 01:35:46 PM
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A high majority of the insurance companies that originally signed on to obamacare have been dropping out leaving only one option for people.   Those companies that dropped out did so because they lost a ton of money and not becaiuse they were making a huge profit.   The high rates with high deductibles is a result of the insurance companies taking on a bunch of people with pre-existing illnesses and not enough young healthy people signing up to make up for it.   Now Americans are paying much more for lesser coverage with ridiculously high dedcutibles.   Many businesses and Americans are opting to pay the fine over signing up.    Obamacare was a power grab by the Democrats who want to control everything and was guaranteed to fail as it implodes right before our eyes.   If Hillary had won she would have moved Obamacare to a single payer system like Canada has which is not good.   Insurance companies WILL CUT RATES when they are forced to compete for customers.   Right now they do not have to compete but when Obamacare is replaced with a new healthcare system that opens up choice for consumers that crosses stae lines then you will see costs drop dramtically as that is what competition does.   Remove all the regulations and let companies compete and the market will take care of itself.   That's capitalism. 



You need to talk to some Canadians.....and don't tell me you have! If you had your opinion on Canada's health care would be different. Before Obamacare the insurance companies did nothing to bring costs down. Where were you before Obama? The insurance companies will go back to only insuring the healthy and exclude diagnostic coverage as soon as they can. Here in the U.S. we get sick.....then get treated.....in Canada people are routinely checked befoe they get sick and then treated when they do. Many illnesses are caught much earlier under Canada's health care system. That is what keeps costs down. Think about it. Making angiograms routine would catch clogging arteries when they are still treatable with drugs and stints rather than by-pass surgery. Which is cheaper? Do you have any idea how many by-passes are performed in this country due to clogged arteries that could have been prevented? Check it out. That's just one illness.



schristensen
November 10, 2016 at 01:37:03 PM
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Ding Ding Ding   We have a winner!



ohReally?
November 10, 2016 at 02:46:45 PM
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A high majority of the insurance companies that originally signed on to obamacare have been dropping out leaving only one option for people.   Those companies that dropped out did so because they lost a ton of money and not becaiuse they were making a huge profit.   The high rates with high deductibles is a result of the insurance companies taking on a bunch of people with pre-existing illnesses and not enough young healthy people signing up to make up for it.   Now Americans are paying much more for lesser coverage with ridiculously high dedcutibles.   Many businesses and Americans are opting to pay the fine over signing up.    Obamacare was a power grab by the Democrats who want to control everything and was guaranteed to fail as it implodes right before our eyes.   If Hillary had won she would have moved Obamacare to a single payer system like Canada has which is not good.   Insurance companies WILL CUT RATES when they are forced to compete for customers.   Right now they do not have to compete but when Obamacare is replaced with a new healthcare system that opens up choice for consumers that crosses stae lines then you will see costs drop dramtically as that is what competition does.   Remove all the regulations and let companies compete and the market will take care of itself.   That's capitalism. 



If you lessen regulations, the insurance companies can then decide who and what they want to cover. This goes back to my point about how a person’s health should not be utilized for profits.

Let me repeat. A human's health should not be utilized to proliferate profits for anyone.

Anyone who argues with this basic fact, in my mind is not anyone that I feel I should associate with or consider them to have any moral aptitude to have a adult conversation with.

The reason insurance companies are pulling out is because the law requires them to provide a certain level of coverage. Because of capitalistic greed, they feel they are not making a large enough profit through the individual marketplace. United Health Care blamed Obamacare last year after profiting 6.8 Billion dollars. 

You act like health insurance premiums were not going up before Obamacare. Can you tell me the rate they went up from 2000-2009 for small business owners before Obamacare? Wait for it - 180%. But I'm sure this had nothing to do with profits. 

Again, like I stated putting 2.5 million workers in the unemployment line by going to a single payer system, probably isn’t the right answer either, but why should we have thousands of companies making Billions of dollars of the basic need of Americans to live a healthy life? There has to be some type of medium, and trust me opening the medical industy up to enable them increase their profits at the expense of Americans is not a very wise idea.

 

Here are some facts for you:

  1. Hospitals on average overcharge Americans over $10 Billion dollars every year
  2. During the recession of 2009, US health Insurance companies increased thier profits by 56%
  3. Between 2000 and 2006 - Wages increased 3.8% but Insurance premiums increased 87%
  4. The US spends about twice as much on health care costs than other developed countries

But seeing how blindly you throw opinions out there, and not actual facts, I really don’t believe these facts will actually permeate the bubble you are currently living in.

 

 

 

 

 




Feese11
November 10, 2016 at 03:28:30 PM
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If you lessen regulations, the insurance companies can then decide who and what they want to cover. This goes back to my point about how a person’s health should not be utilized for profits.

Let me repeat. A human's health should not be utilized to proliferate profits for anyone.

Anyone who argues with this basic fact, in my mind is not anyone that I feel I should associate with or consider them to have any moral aptitude to have a adult conversation with.

The reason insurance companies are pulling out is because the law requires them to provide a certain level of coverage. Because of capitalistic greed, they feel they are not making a large enough profit through the individual marketplace. United Health Care blamed Obamacare last year after profiting 6.8 Billion dollars. 

You act like health insurance premiums were not going up before Obamacare. Can you tell me the rate they went up from 2000-2009 for small business owners before Obamacare? Wait for it - 180%. But I'm sure this had nothing to do with profits. 

Again, like I stated putting 2.5 million workers in the unemployment line by going to a single payer system, probably isn’t the right answer either, but why should we have thousands of companies making Billions of dollars of the basic need of Americans to live a healthy life? There has to be some type of medium, and trust me opening the medical industy up to enable them increase their profits at the expense of Americans is not a very wise idea.

 

Here are some facts for you:

  1. Hospitals on average overcharge Americans over $10 Billion dollars every year
  2. During the recession of 2009, US health Insurance companies increased thier profits by 56%
  3. Between 2000 and 2006 - Wages increased 3.8% but Insurance premiums increased 87%
  4. The US spends about twice as much on health care costs than other developed countries

But seeing how blindly you throw opinions out there, and not actual facts, I really don’t believe these facts will actually permeate the bubble you are currently living in.

 

 

 

 

 



The four biggest U.S. health insurers admit they’re each losing hundreds of millions of dollars on their Obamacare plans. Rather than expand coverage, many are pulling out of the exchanges that were set up by the ACA so people can shop for insurance plans, often with the help of government subsidies.

UnitedHealth expects to lose $850 million on Obamacare in 2016, while Aetna, Anthem, and Humana are all on track to lose at least $300 million each on their ACA plans this year, according to company reports and estimates from Bloomberg Intelligence. UnitedHealth says it’s quitting 31 of the 34 states where it sells ACA policies.  

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The above info came from a bloomberg article recently.   You said United Health Care profited 6.8 billion?   The article from Bloomberg says they expect to lose $850 million in 2016 and the reason they are quiting 31 of the 34 states.    If United Health Care profited 6.8 billion as you say they would not drop out of 31 states.   I'll believe the Bloomberg article over you.   

 



Feese11
November 10, 2016 at 03:36:48 PM
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You need to talk to some Canadians.....and don't tell me you have! If you had your opinion on Canada's health care would be different. Before Obamacare the insurance companies did nothing to bring costs down. Where were you before Obama? The insurance companies will go back to only insuring the healthy and exclude diagnostic coverage as soon as they can. Here in the U.S. we get sick.....then get treated.....in Canada people are routinely checked befoe they get sick and then treated when they do. Many illnesses are caught much earlier under Canada's health care system. That is what keeps costs down. Think about it. Making angiograms routine would catch clogging arteries when they are still treatable with drugs and stints rather than by-pass surgery. Which is cheaper? Do you have any idea how many by-passes are performed in this country due to clogged arteries that could have been prevented? Check it out. That's just one illness.



The Ugly Truth About Canadian Health Care

Confronting dirty hospitals, long waiting lists, and substandard treatment Canadians are starting to crack. Today Canadians views on public health care are much less rosy than they were even a few years ago. Canadian newspapers are now filled with stories of people frustrated by long delays for care.

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Nick14
November 10, 2016 at 03:39:43 PM
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If you lessen regulations, the insurance companies can then decide who and what they want to cover. This goes back to my point about how a person’s health should not be utilized for profits.

Let me repeat. A human's health should not be utilized to proliferate profits for anyone.

Anyone who argues with this basic fact, in my mind is not anyone that I feel I should associate with or consider them to have any moral aptitude to have a adult conversation with.

The reason insurance companies are pulling out is because the law requires them to provide a certain level of coverage. Because of capitalistic greed, they feel they are not making a large enough profit through the individual marketplace. United Health Care blamed Obamacare last year after profiting 6.8 Billion dollars. 

You act like health insurance premiums were not going up before Obamacare. Can you tell me the rate they went up from 2000-2009 for small business owners before Obamacare? Wait for it - 180%. But I'm sure this had nothing to do with profits. 

Again, like I stated putting 2.5 million workers in the unemployment line by going to a single payer system, probably isn’t the right answer either, but why should we have thousands of companies making Billions of dollars of the basic need of Americans to live a healthy life? There has to be some type of medium, and trust me opening the medical industy up to enable them increase their profits at the expense of Americans is not a very wise idea.

 

Here are some facts for you:

  1. Hospitals on average overcharge Americans over $10 Billion dollars every year
  2. During the recession of 2009, US health Insurance companies increased thier profits by 56%
  3. Between 2000 and 2006 - Wages increased 3.8% but Insurance premiums increased 87%
  4. The US spends about twice as much on health care costs than other developed countries

But seeing how blindly you throw opinions out there, and not actual facts, I really don’t believe these facts will actually permeate the bubble you are currently living in.

 

 

 

 

 



Not to mention how many people in this country go bankrupt because of medical bills. Back in 2009 before the Affordable Health Care Act (that is the actual name, not "Obamacare") I had to have a procedure done on my heart and my out of pocket after insurance was paid was over $100,000 and that was just the hospital bill not including the doctor, the anesthesia, etc, and I had great Insurance at that time. I almost had to have another heart procedure when I got the bill. I called the phone number and tried to set up something and they gave me about a 90% discount based on my financial status at that time. WTF is that about? How many people have $100,000 laying around to pay. For that matter how many people have $10,000 laying around. I had to pay a little more than $200 a month for two years on top of about $500 on student loan payments (which is a seperate agruement). 

I just don't get some of the things that go on in this country and a lot of it makes me shake my head. I do not agree with everything Barack Obama tried to do in his 8years as President but when I look back at his Presidency I say a man who tried to do what he felt was best for the greater good and for us as a whole. That is a tough job to do because whatever you try to do you will end up pissing someone off. The Healthcare act was something to try to help this country. I agree with you that the medical industry whether it is pharmaceuticals, insurance, hospitals should not try to profit HEAVILY on its own people. Someones health care is a need/necessity should not take advantage of and I am sorry these companies take advantage of it. I have no problem with people making money and trying to get the good life but there is a line and it has been crossed by a lot of industries such as medical, automotive, and oil. Regulations are put on them to try to control this and when you deregulate them there is not "competition" for people to pick the best one that works as these companies just charge around the same price (see oil industry in 2007-2008). 

One person said that Obamacare was a powergrab by Democrats. Obviously I am a Democrat but I do not think anyone is trying to take absolute power because that is not how our system works. Its a system of checks and balances with all 3branches working and debating on these issues. That is why we vote for more than a President. I do not think the Republicans will intentially try to go on a power trip that will hurt this country intentially. I do not agree with some of there view points but that is why we vote every year for seats in the congress and the senate or every 2 depending on where you live. I did not vote for Donald Trump but I do not want him to fail. Wishing a President failure is wishing for a country to fail. We vote again in 4 years for President. He has that long to prove to all of us that he can do this. He has all branches of government dominantly on his side. There are NO EXCUSES for him or for the Republican Party. They can no longer blame Obama for not being able to get stuff done. The last time you had all 3 branches of government was 2003-2007 and it was not a bright spot as the recession started. The last time the party had all 3branches before that was from 1921-1929 Great Depression. History is not on the parites side but like I said, I wish them Success.

 




Johnny Utah
November 10, 2016 at 04:36:55 PM
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Not to mention how many people in this country go bankrupt because of medical bills. Back in 2009 before the Affordable Health Care Act (that is the actual name, not "Obamacare") I had to have a procedure done on my heart and my out of pocket after insurance was paid was over $100,000 and that was just the hospital bill not including the doctor, the anesthesia, etc, and I had great Insurance at that time. I almost had to have another heart procedure when I got the bill. I called the phone number and tried to set up something and they gave me about a 90% discount based on my financial status at that time. WTF is that about? How many people have $100,000 laying around to pay. For that matter how many people have $10,000 laying around. I had to pay a little more than $200 a month for two years on top of about $500 on student loan payments (which is a seperate agruement). 

I just don't get some of the things that go on in this country and a lot of it makes me shake my head. I do not agree with everything Barack Obama tried to do in his 8years as President but when I look back at his Presidency I say a man who tried to do what he felt was best for the greater good and for us as a whole. That is a tough job to do because whatever you try to do you will end up pissing someone off. The Healthcare act was something to try to help this country. I agree with you that the medical industry whether it is pharmaceuticals, insurance, hospitals should not try to profit HEAVILY on its own people. Someones health care is a need/necessity should not take advantage of and I am sorry these companies take advantage of it. I have no problem with people making money and trying to get the good life but there is a line and it has been crossed by a lot of industries such as medical, automotive, and oil. Regulations are put on them to try to control this and when you deregulate them there is not "competition" for people to pick the best one that works as these companies just charge around the same price (see oil industry in 2007-2008). 

One person said that Obamacare was a powergrab by Democrats. Obviously I am a Democrat but I do not think anyone is trying to take absolute power because that is not how our system works. Its a system of checks and balances with all 3branches working and debating on these issues. That is why we vote for more than a President. I do not think the Republicans will intentially try to go on a power trip that will hurt this country intentially. I do not agree with some of there view points but that is why we vote every year for seats in the congress and the senate or every 2 depending on where you live. I did not vote for Donald Trump but I do not want him to fail. Wishing a President failure is wishing for a country to fail. We vote again in 4 years for President. He has that long to prove to all of us that he can do this. He has all branches of government dominantly on his side. There are NO EXCUSES for him or for the Republican Party. They can no longer blame Obama for not being able to get stuff done. The last time you had all 3 branches of government was 2003-2007 and it was not a bright spot as the recession started. The last time the party had all 3branches before that was from 1921-1929 Great Depression. History is not on the parites side but like I said, I wish them Success.

 



Trump as President and rational, well thought out responses on Hoseheads? Hell, the apocalypse must be coming... I guess I should start to repent, but that would require being religious first, so that's out.

Seriously, man, great post.



ohReally?
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The four biggest U.S. health insurers admit they’re each losing hundreds of millions of dollars on their Obamacare plans. Rather than expand coverage, many are pulling out of the exchanges that were set up by the ACA so people can shop for insurance plans, often with the help of government subsidies.

UnitedHealth expects to lose $850 million on Obamacare in 2016, while Aetna, Anthem, and Humana are all on track to lose at least $300 million each on their ACA plans this year, according to company reports and estimates from Bloomberg Intelligence. UnitedHealth says it’s quitting 31 of the 34 states where it sells ACA policies.  

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The above info came from a bloomberg article recently.   You said United Health Care profited 6.8 billion?   The article from Bloomberg says they expect to lose $850 million in 2016 and the reason they are quiting 31 of the 34 states.    If United Health Care profited 6.8 billion as you say they would not drop out of 31 states.   I'll believe the Bloomberg article over you.   

 



Here is the earnings report from the second quarter of this year.

http://www.unitedhealthgroup.com/~/media/E92CE1B0C91040839E3CB5C75436B1A5.ashx

United Heath Care made 1.9 Billion in profits, in three months! Straight from the companies mouth. There is a difference in losing money and not making as much money as anticipated, or as the previous year. Again this comes down to capatilistic greed. 

They are not pulling out of insurance in those 31 states, they just pulling out of the individual marketplace, you know where people who have no other option to get insurance gets it. People who have employers who do not provide insurance, people who never had insurance before. People who need insurance, unhealthy people who had no other option for insurance before. They are once again, putting peoples health at risk because they didnt make 2.1 Billion in profits in 3 months, instead of 1.9 Billion. Capatilistic greed at its finest.

They also made 1.9 billion in profits the first quarter, so let me do the math in my head (1.9 billion X 4 quarters = 7.6 Billion this year). Take your blinders off. And always remember, publicaly traded companies have to disclose their financial information, all you have to do is use this magical thing called Google.



sprintcarfanatic
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So were paying the subsidies on top of our own. Damn we pay extra for gas & ethanol then more at the pump. We pay farmers then we pay more for food, if you smoke you pay taxes on top of taxes. We pay extra for a car so that person can have a pension. We pay extra for those that cannot afford. All this & they still want free college. My Ass.

Nothing is for free. That company will find a way to recoup it's losses through raising prices for said product.

Before long the working class won't be able to uphold those below a certain line in the poverty buisness unless ol Trump can make America Great Again.

Taxes alone this year is over 8 grand & I don't make that great of a dollar amount.

I need about 35,000 grand Mr. & Mrs Clinton & then I can build from there.Will just call it a subsidy.

Has anyboby had surgery lately ? I had nasal sugery about 3 and a half years ago & the hospital charged 25,000 dollars for use of a sugical room.




Methanol
November 10, 2016 at 09:36:39 PM
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By golly you're right....(sarcasm).....NObamacare is so great and working out just as promised.   Most American families are now paying an average of $4,100 more with much higher deductibles versus saving $2,500 while NOT being able to keep their same doctor as they were told.   The new healthcare system Trump puts out will allow people choices in plans and doctor that cross state lines, creating competition which brings rates way down as insurance companies have to compete.   This will benefit all Americans and businesses.   You and I have always paid for the non insured as it is called the emergency room!   End of my political rant!     



There are some states where you can cross state lines. You know what? No healthcare Insurance compnies have participated. They don't want competition. Why would they. Why lower the costs when they don't have to. Pretty simple really. 



Feese11
November 11, 2016 at 06:09:10 AM
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Posted By: Methanol on November 10 2016 at 09:36:39 PM

There are some states where you can cross state lines. You know what? No healthcare Insurance compnies have participated. They don't want competition. Why would they. Why lower the costs when they don't have to. Pretty simple really. 



Back to the reason I posted on this thread.   The sport of racing relies heavily on sponsorship from businesses.   Under a Trump administration businesses will thrive which in turn will open up more sponsorship opportunities for racers across the USA.   Setting politics aside I hope on this site we can all agree we want to see the sport of racing prosper.





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