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May 16, 2016 at
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Just would like to hear everyone's opion about this weekends racing of who will be the drivers to win. And in advance
can we Not start a pissing match over posse and Outlaw! Just good clean conversation
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May 16, 2016 at
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Posted By: J&J on May 16 2016 at 10:21:26 PM
Just would like to hear everyone's opion about this weekends racing of who will be the drivers to win. And in advance
can we Not start a pissing match over posse and Outlaw! Just good clean conversation
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The missing match is almost a guarantee. Never fails. Anyway, I think wins will go to Dewease and Pittman. Right now the weather looks like shit for Saturday but we're still a long way off. Hopefully the weather cooperates and we see some good racing. It's always great when the WoO come to Pa.
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May 17, 2016 at
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Given the format change, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a WoO sweep.
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May 17, 2016 at
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on May 17 2016 at 10:24:49 AM
Given the format change, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a WoO sweep.
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I figured we would see that excuse thrown around here if the PA guys get beat on their home turf.....just didn't expect to see it before the Outlaws even crossed the state line into Pennsylvania.
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May 17, 2016 at
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Posted By: larsonfan on May 17 2016 at 10:57:58 AM
I figured we would see that excuse thrown around here if the PA guys get beat on their home turf.....just didn't expect to see it before the Outlaws even crossed the state line into Pennsylvania.
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Don't get me wrong - not any kind of apologist towards the Posse. The format obviously aids the tour guys now. It will be that way in PA, in OH, Knoxville, etc. Still not any guarantee to win, but would say they're more favored than normal.
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2015 Central PA Track Qualifying Results
Lincoln- 1. 27-Greg Hodnett, 12.817; 2. 51S-Stevie Smith, 12.987; 3. 94-Ryan Smith, 13.021; 4. 1-Lucas Wolfe, 13.056; 5. 7-David Gravel, 13.071; 6. 25-Aaron Ott, 13.104; 7. 5-Tyler Ross, 13.123; 8. 1S-Logan Schuchart, 13.128; 9. 87-Alan Krimes, 13.144; 10. 9-Daryn Pittman, 13.170
Posse- 7, Outlaws- 3
Williams Grove 1- - 1. 25-Aaron Ott, 16.611; 2. 21-Brian Montieth, 16.651; 3. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.669; 4. 98H-Dave Blaney, 16.703; 5. 2-Shane Stewart, 16.710; 6. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.726; 7. 9-Daryn Pittman, 16.783; 8. 7S-Jason Sides, 16.789; 9. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.806; 10. 51-Paul McMahan, 16.816
Posse- 3, Outlaws- 6, Neutral- 1
Williams Grove 2- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.789; 2. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.873; 3. 48-Danny Dietrich, 16.991; 4. 3-Pat Cannon, 17.002; 5. 29-Kerry Madsen, 17.043 (FLIGHT 2) 1Z-Lucas Wolfe, 16.935; 2. 51-Paul McMahan, 17.031; 3. 19-Stevie Smith, 17.034; 4. 7S-Jason Sides, 17.059; 5. 15-Donny Schatz, 17.097
Posse- 5, Outlaws- 5
Williams Grove 3- (FLIGHT 1)1. 1-Sammy Swindell, 16.742; 2. 19-Stevie Smith, 16.752; 3. 51-Paul McMahan, 16.781; 4. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.784; 5. 3-Pat Cannon, 16.829 (FLIGHT 2) 1. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.831; 2. 25-Aaron Ott, 16.952; 3. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.976; 4. 21-Brian Montieth, 16.978; 5. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.981
Posse- 5, Outlaws- 5 (I included Sammy)
Williams Grove 4- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 51S-Stevie Smith, 18.461; 2. 69K-Justin Henderson, 18.611; 3. 87-Alan Krimes, 18.718; 4. 11C-Cory Haas, 18.779; 5. 1Z-Lucas Wolfe, 18.783 (FLIGHT 2) 1. 21-Brian Montieth, 18.490; 2. 1S-Logan Schuchart, 18.521; 3. 48-Danny Dietrich, 18.551; 4. 15-Donny Schatz, 18.555; 5. 16-Gerard McIntyre, 18.570
Posse- 7, Outlaws- 2, Posse Car/Midwest Driver- 1
Port Royal- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 9-Daryn Pittman, 16.327; 2. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.346; 3. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.414; 4. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.416; 5. 2-Shane Stewart, 16.462; (FLIGHT 2) 1. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.199; 2. 48-Danny Dietrich, 16.381; 3. 19M-Brent Marks, 16.409; 4. 23-T.J. Stutts, 16.532; 5. 13-Jac Haudenschild, 16.555
Posse- 4, Outlaws- 5, Neutral- 1
Total: Posse- 31, Outlaws- 26, Neutral- 2, Posse Car/Midwest Driver- 1
In the end I would have to say it’ll come down to the pill draw. An early draw will most likely (not always though) yield a quality qualifying spot.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on May 17 2016 at 11:45:23 AM
2015 Central PA Track Qualifying Results
Lincoln- 1. 27-Greg Hodnett, 12.817; 2. 51S-Stevie Smith, 12.987; 3. 94-Ryan Smith, 13.021; 4. 1-Lucas Wolfe, 13.056; 5. 7-David Gravel, 13.071; 6. 25-Aaron Ott, 13.104; 7. 5-Tyler Ross, 13.123; 8. 1S-Logan Schuchart, 13.128; 9. 87-Alan Krimes, 13.144; 10. 9-Daryn Pittman, 13.170
Posse- 7, Outlaws- 3
Williams Grove 1- - 1. 25-Aaron Ott, 16.611; 2. 21-Brian Montieth, 16.651; 3. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.669; 4. 98H-Dave Blaney, 16.703; 5. 2-Shane Stewart, 16.710; 6. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.726; 7. 9-Daryn Pittman, 16.783; 8. 7S-Jason Sides, 16.789; 9. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.806; 10. 51-Paul McMahan, 16.816
Posse- 3, Outlaws- 6, Neutral- 1
Williams Grove 2- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.789; 2. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.873; 3. 48-Danny Dietrich, 16.991; 4. 3-Pat Cannon, 17.002; 5. 29-Kerry Madsen, 17.043 (FLIGHT 2) 1Z-Lucas Wolfe, 16.935; 2. 51-Paul McMahan, 17.031; 3. 19-Stevie Smith, 17.034; 4. 7S-Jason Sides, 17.059; 5. 15-Donny Schatz, 17.097
Posse- 5, Outlaws- 5
Williams Grove 3- (FLIGHT 1)1. 1-Sammy Swindell, 16.742; 2. 19-Stevie Smith, 16.752; 3. 51-Paul McMahan, 16.781; 4. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.784; 5. 3-Pat Cannon, 16.829 (FLIGHT 2) 1. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.831; 2. 25-Aaron Ott, 16.952; 3. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.976; 4. 21-Brian Montieth, 16.978; 5. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.981
Posse- 5, Outlaws- 5 (I included Sammy)
Williams Grove 4- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 51S-Stevie Smith, 18.461; 2. 69K-Justin Henderson, 18.611; 3. 87-Alan Krimes, 18.718; 4. 11C-Cory Haas, 18.779; 5. 1Z-Lucas Wolfe, 18.783 (FLIGHT 2) 1. 21-Brian Montieth, 18.490; 2. 1S-Logan Schuchart, 18.521; 3. 48-Danny Dietrich, 18.551; 4. 15-Donny Schatz, 18.555; 5. 16-Gerard McIntyre, 18.570
Posse- 7, Outlaws- 2, Posse Car/Midwest Driver- 1
Port Royal- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 9-Daryn Pittman, 16.327; 2. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.346; 3. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.414; 4. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.416; 5. 2-Shane Stewart, 16.462; (FLIGHT 2) 1. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.199; 2. 48-Danny Dietrich, 16.381; 3. 19M-Brent Marks, 16.409; 4. 23-T.J. Stutts, 16.532; 5. 13-Jac Haudenschild, 16.555
Posse- 4, Outlaws- 5, Neutral- 1
Total: Posse- 31, Outlaws- 26, Neutral- 2, Posse Car/Midwest Driver- 1
In the end I would have to say it’ll come down to the pill draw. An early draw will most likely (not always though) yield a quality qualifying spot.
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Very interesting. Thank you for taking the time to lay it all out. It puts things into a proper perspective when you have actual comparative results to look at.
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May 17, 2016 at
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The flight system has made pill draws less important, but it's still really helpful to be in the first 10 cars.
That said, the Posse bring their A game motors to this weekend, so they should be fine. Aaron Ott, Lucas Wolfe, Stevie and Hodnett are all just as likely to set quick time as Saldana or the KKR team is.
Will be interesting to see how Schatz qualifies, because if he's 20th out of 30 cars in the midwest, he'll be 30th in PA with as many quality cars as there are.
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May 17, 2016 at
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Haha. Nah, no stupor, or racing for that matter, for me this past weekend.
I'll be making the two hour trip to the "Fabulous Lincoln Speedway" tomorrow night though.
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Saturday = Pontoon Boats
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on May 17 2016 at 11:45:23 AM
2015 Central PA Track Qualifying Results
Lincoln- 1. 27-Greg Hodnett, 12.817; 2. 51S-Stevie Smith, 12.987; 3. 94-Ryan Smith, 13.021; 4. 1-Lucas Wolfe, 13.056; 5. 7-David Gravel, 13.071; 6. 25-Aaron Ott, 13.104; 7. 5-Tyler Ross, 13.123; 8. 1S-Logan Schuchart, 13.128; 9. 87-Alan Krimes, 13.144; 10. 9-Daryn Pittman, 13.170
Posse- 7, Outlaws- 3
Williams Grove 1- - 1. 25-Aaron Ott, 16.611; 2. 21-Brian Montieth, 16.651; 3. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.669; 4. 98H-Dave Blaney, 16.703; 5. 2-Shane Stewart, 16.710; 6. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.726; 7. 9-Daryn Pittman, 16.783; 8. 7S-Jason Sides, 16.789; 9. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.806; 10. 51-Paul McMahan, 16.816
Posse- 3, Outlaws- 6, Neutral- 1
Williams Grove 2- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.789; 2. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.873; 3. 48-Danny Dietrich, 16.991; 4. 3-Pat Cannon, 17.002; 5. 29-Kerry Madsen, 17.043 (FLIGHT 2) 1Z-Lucas Wolfe, 16.935; 2. 51-Paul McMahan, 17.031; 3. 19-Stevie Smith, 17.034; 4. 7S-Jason Sides, 17.059; 5. 15-Donny Schatz, 17.097
Posse- 5, Outlaws- 5
Williams Grove 3- (FLIGHT 1)1. 1-Sammy Swindell, 16.742; 2. 19-Stevie Smith, 16.752; 3. 51-Paul McMahan, 16.781; 4. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.784; 5. 3-Pat Cannon, 16.829 (FLIGHT 2) 1. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.831; 2. 25-Aaron Ott, 16.952; 3. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.976; 4. 21-Brian Montieth, 16.978; 5. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.981
Posse- 5, Outlaws- 5 (I included Sammy)
Williams Grove 4- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 51S-Stevie Smith, 18.461; 2. 69K-Justin Henderson, 18.611; 3. 87-Alan Krimes, 18.718; 4. 11C-Cory Haas, 18.779; 5. 1Z-Lucas Wolfe, 18.783 (FLIGHT 2) 1. 21-Brian Montieth, 18.490; 2. 1S-Logan Schuchart, 18.521; 3. 48-Danny Dietrich, 18.551; 4. 15-Donny Schatz, 18.555; 5. 16-Gerard McIntyre, 18.570
Posse- 7, Outlaws- 2, Posse Car/Midwest Driver- 1
Port Royal- (FLIGHT 1) 1. 9-Daryn Pittman, 16.327; 2. 27-Greg Hodnett, 16.346; 3. 29-Kerry Madsen, 16.414; 4. 71M-Joey Saldana, 16.416; 5. 2-Shane Stewart, 16.462; (FLIGHT 2) 1. 15-Donny Schatz, 16.199; 2. 48-Danny Dietrich, 16.381; 3. 19M-Brent Marks, 16.409; 4. 23-T.J. Stutts, 16.532; 5. 13-Jac Haudenschild, 16.555
Posse- 4, Outlaws- 5, Neutral- 1
Total: Posse- 31, Outlaws- 26, Neutral- 2, Posse Car/Midwest Driver- 1
In the end I would have to say it’ll come down to the pill draw. An early draw will most likely (not always though) yield a quality qualifying spot.
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I actually don't think history means crap. Then, with the TT inversions previously used for front row heat starting spots, and pill draw for the Dash, those things determined who stared up front in the Feature. Whoever started up front...first two rows, probably won all but one of those races used in the history example (although I didn't actually look). That will remain the same this year. Front two rows will dominate. The exception now is that the emphasis is on fastest qualifiers.....still a product of the initial pill draw (even with two flights) and dash draw for starting up front in the Feature.
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As for the Posse, Dewease who has beaten the Outlaws many times. He hasn't looked this good in long time, but put him with Kreitz (another many-time outlaw winner) and Davey Brown, and watch out!
Hodnett and Stevie Smith will also have a good shot. Stevie rises to the occassion and Hodnett is just fast. Those are my Posse favorites. Dietrich does have their number at Lincoln.
For the WoO, of course Schatz, Sweet, and Pittman (familiar with the tracks) are my picks.
Hope the #51S wins, but if not, then the #69K or Zemco #1 (he'll time with the best of them).
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Is madsen following the woo trail this weekend? He's shown some real speed so far this season.
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 17 2016 at 03:39:33 PM
I actually don't think history means crap. Then, with the TT inversions previously used for front row heat starting spots, and pill draw for the Dash, those things determined who stared up front in the Feature. Whoever started up front...first two rows, probably won all but one of those races used in the history example (although I didn't actually look). That will remain the same this year. Front two rows will dominate. The exception now is that the emphasis is on fastest qualifiers.....still a product of the initial pill draw (even with two flights) and dash draw for starting up front in the Feature.
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I disagree with your contention that history doesn't mean crap, but that's another topic for another day. My post was to simply quell the notion that because of this new format, all of a sudden the Outlaws will dominate at PA tracks because "they time trial well". Aren't we in agreement that because the differences in the cars are so small nowadays, drivers can't really sandbag in time trials? That leads me to believe that last year all across the country at the Outlaw shows, including PA, everyone ran hard in time trials. Well they run as hard as they can this year, because they get rewarded with a front row spot in the heat for it. I just don't understand where the apprehension about this new format heavily favoring the Outlaws in PA comes from. Hell, Jeremy picked an Outlaw sweep for the weekend.
I only had time to research last year's results but it looks like the PA cars, if they run like they did last year, will be just fine with this new format.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on May 18 2016 at 07:56:38 AM
I disagree with your contention that history doesn't mean crap, but that's another topic for another day. My post was to simply quell the notion that because of this new format, all of a sudden the Outlaws will dominate at PA tracks because "they time trial well". Aren't we in agreement that because the differences in the cars are so small nowadays, drivers can't really sandbag in time trials? That leads me to believe that last year all across the country at the Outlaw shows, including PA, everyone ran hard in time trials. Well they run as hard as they can this year, because they get rewarded with a front row spot in the heat for it. I just don't understand where the apprehension about this new format heavily favoring the Outlaws in PA comes from. Hell, Jeremy picked an Outlaw sweep for the weekend.
I only had time to research last year's results but it looks like the PA cars, if they run like they did last year, will be just fine with this new format.
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I agree that the new format won't really change much as far as where the winners come from.....in regards to starting position though and not from WoO or Posse groups. I guess the fact that you kept score through me off. My post was to deflect any potential comparison from last year to this. Totally different program. If your intention was to state that you didn't think the new format favored either group....it would have been very simple to just state that and not go through the effort it took to compile the score from last year. I make this years predictions rather simple.....whoever starts front two rows will most likely win all the races. Until they line up....it's anybody's guess. If there are multiple drivers winning from further back than the front two rows, and the majority of those winners come from one of the groups....then let the bragging rights begin.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on May 18 2016 at 07:56:38 AM
I disagree with your contention that history doesn't mean crap, but that's another topic for another day. My post was to simply quell the notion that because of this new format, all of a sudden the Outlaws will dominate at PA tracks because "they time trial well". Aren't we in agreement that because the differences in the cars are so small nowadays, drivers can't really sandbag in time trials? That leads me to believe that last year all across the country at the Outlaw shows, including PA, everyone ran hard in time trials. Well they run as hard as they can this year, because they get rewarded with a front row spot in the heat for it. I just don't understand where the apprehension about this new format heavily favoring the Outlaws in PA comes from. Hell, Jeremy picked an Outlaw sweep for the weekend.
I only had time to research last year's results but it looks like the PA cars, if they run like they did last year, will be just fine with this new format.
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PS.... I agree about the sandbagging, but then I've never felt that a driver could run a lap within .02 or so to fit into an exact time slot. And, I have had many a favorite driver win from the front row. I was happy they won, but have never felt as though winning from the fron row was a point to boast about. I don't think the drivers do, either.
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 18 2016 at 08:46:13 AM
I agree that the new format won't really change much as far as where the winners come from.....in regards to starting position though and not from WoO or Posse groups. I guess the fact that you kept score through me off. My post was to deflect any potential comparison from last year to this. Totally different program. If your intention was to state that you didn't think the new format favored either group....it would have been very simple to just state that and not go through the effort it took to compile the score from last year. I make this years predictions rather simple.....whoever starts front two rows will most likely win all the races. Until they line up....it's anybody's guess. If there are multiple drivers winning from further back than the front two rows, and the majority of those winners come from one of the groups....then let the bragging rights begin.
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Haha, sure it would have been simpler, but that's not how I roll. I, unlike most posters here, don't like to simply make blanket statements. I like to try and have some data when possible.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on May 18 2016 at 06:05:04 PM
Haha, sure it would have been simpler, but that's not how I roll. I, unlike most posters here, don't like to simply make blanket statements. I like to try and have some data when possible.
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Obsolete data at that.....
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Posted By: blazer00 on May 18 2016 at 06:09:12 PM
Obsolete data at that.....
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Jeez, rough corral.
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on May 18 2016 at 06:17:56 PM
Jeez, rough corral.
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just giving you a hard time......
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