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Topic: Here's the solution w/ the NST teams coming back to the WoO's
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blitzman
November 18, 2006 at 11:58:05 PM
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To solve the whole "Mean 15" tow money issue w/the NST teams coming back to the WoO. Yes I know not all the NST teams ran a full WoO before the NST was formed but here is my point.

The "Mean 15" get tow money for the first 5 races who ever they are. (w/ teams folding or not returning). After the first 5 race's the top 15 in points get the "Tow Money" You want the tow money , stay in the top 15 in points. Pretty simple I think. Yes I'm aware of the whole promoting thing w/ DIRT for the Mean 15 but it would make teams run harder thats for sure. Some will say its like NAPCAR w/ the top 35 in points make the show. Its not a A-Main thing. Its a money thing to help your team out. The ? would be to go buy owner or driver points. I dont know how to answere that.

Whats some thoughts on this.


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jackhole22
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November 19, 2006 at 02:19:34 AM
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It use to be top 10 from the year before got all kinds of gifts. I do believe a few series' do it the way you mentioned. If you stay in the top 10 you get tow money. You aren't really signing a contract to race every race but you get perks if you do and stay in the top.


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Hawker
November 19, 2006 at 02:28:18 AM
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This message was edited on November 19, 2006 at 10:42:57 AM by Hawker

The problem lies in the payment of the tow money. This is the obligation of the person that promotes the race. Last year, promoter were expected to pay out tow money to 15 teams, next year it wil be more and that cuts into the bottom line.


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Twenty8
November 19, 2006 at 09:45:06 AM
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I dont see why they should have to give anything in 2007 to the teams that were with the WoO in 2006. Each year stands on its own and you have to earn it again. In the past the top 10 in points had the free use of of tow rigs (Freightliners I think) if you dropped out of the top 10 you had to give it up at any time of the year.



Hawker
November 19, 2006 at 10:42:28 AM
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Posted By: Twenty8 on November 19 2006 at 09:45:06 AM

I dont see why they should have to give anything in 2007 to the teams that were with the WoO in 2006. Each year stands on its own and you have to earn it again. In the past the top 10 in points had the free use of of tow rigs (Freightliners I think) if you dropped out of the top 10 you had to give it up at any time of the year.



I believe that the rule on the Freightshakers was that the top 10 in the previous season got the tractor for the next season.


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blitzman
November 19, 2006 at 10:46:29 AM
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I did not know about the Top10 in points w/ the tow rigs from the past. It doesnt have to be top 15. Lets go Top 10 then if it cuts the bottom line. As long as the teams get the tow money when they show up at the track . No waiting for a week or month or so. Would it be up to the promoter or Dirt to pay it. I say Dirt has to pay it to insure the money is there for the teams when they sign in. Make it part of the sanction fee I guess.

If your in Top X of points. The next race, show up you get a check or cash. If you dont show up well then (example #11 or #16 in points) the next one in points gets the tow money. So every race there will be the same amout being paid out.

Alot of the opinon I have on this is how I think it works w/ the tow money thing. Im not really sure out it worked last year. This just my assumption.

Just kinda glad there will be only one national series next year. Assuming NST folds. Yes there was more bigger money races for the local or regional racers to win. But it hurt the fan the couldnt pay $30-$35 a crack 5-6 times in 6 weeks span like the WoO & NST races in Ohio & Indiana last May & June.


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Railbird_1
November 19, 2006 at 10:54:27 AM
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This message was edited on November 19, 2006 at 10:57:17 AM by Railbird_1

Why would you give them, the teams coming back, anything unless they earned it from the previous year? After all, one major purpose of the split was to put the WoO/Dirt out of business.

How soon we forget.


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gdude
November 19, 2006 at 11:01:22 AM
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Obviously Railbird see things clearly. I wonder what Donald Trump would do? My guess is he would crush the NST now that they're down and say if you come crawling back you can race for purse money and that's it! Heck, giving them tow money is like inviting the guy that stabbed you 20 times to dinner.


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John Katich
November 19, 2006 at 11:03:44 AM
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The amount of tow money per team will likely be cut for 2007 and then again in 2008. At the same time, expect to see a major cost-cutting move implemented for teams that should be announced in the near future.

I would say twenty teams would be a number that is likely on tour throughout 2007.

Lots of decisions to be made during the next month or two so it should be interesting to see what happens.



David Smith Jr
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November 19, 2006 at 12:23:10 PM
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If you could guarentee at least twenty full-time travelers to promoters, they (the promoters) could almost set a reasonable grandstand ticket price to get more people in the stands.

One thing that hasn't been addressed and I think needs to for the promoters is all them free comp passes the DIRT/WoO get. Last I heard there were over 100 of those and that is just too much. Just make it to where drivers don't have to pay their pit pass while those who travel with the drivers (crew chiefs and crew help) get a pit pass $10 off what the track costs of pit passes are for that event. Of course DIRT officials and media members are free and maybe one or two members of the series sponsors get comped pit passes but not everybody and their dog.

You want tow money? Then make yourself availble at least five times a year to do personal appearances leading up to those races to help out the promoter. If there are twenty full-time teams for 2007 then each of those drivers are required to attend at least five personal appearances for the racetrack. Make a list and give to drivers where they are required to appear (Shatz=North and South Dakota, Kinser=Indiana, Knoxville, Lasoski=Missouri, etc.) and at seasons end, if you don't meet your required personal appearances then the tow money comes out of your point fund. This would help the promoter get the word out and cut advertising costs for them, would benefit the drivers as they could not only sign autographs but sell shirts and other team releated items. This would also help the sport of sprint car racing in general to those not so regular fans.

If you make radio, tv and personal appearances then that would help the promoter in paying tow money as it would cut into his advertising budget.

Just a random thought.


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Twenty8
November 19, 2006 at 12:28:14 PM
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I think you are all way off on the WoO vs NST. I dont think either group had enough going for them to "crush" the other or even put them out of business. New companies arent formed just to hurt the other financially. Anyone with business savy knows there is always room for competition and its actually good for business. If Mr Brownfield was able to run a second season you would have seen an increase. Everyone has to agree the Dirt needs Kinser more than he needs them.



David Smith Jr
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November 19, 2006 at 12:41:38 PM
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So when Steve retires then the WoO are doomed? Oh no, guess I had better find a new hobby and switch full-time to some other sport.


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azteca
November 19, 2006 at 12:57:56 PM
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DIRT needs S.K. more than he does them ??? You might want to re-read Quaker State's press release. I think that the WoO proved this last season whom needed whom more. 1200 paid adults in Winner S.D. vs. over 6,000 at Husets pretty much tells the story of which "side" needed whom. Again, I don't have a dog in this fight but the press release from Q.S. speaks for itself.

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David Smith Jr
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November 19, 2006 at 01:03:07 PM
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That is another good point azteca but it makes sense, you can't do that here.


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oswald
November 19, 2006 at 01:14:03 PM
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I thought the WoO anounced they were expanding the Mean 15 to 20 and cutting tow money from $700 to $500?



donny baker
November 19, 2006 at 01:20:13 PM
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Same here ozzie.



Hawker
November 19, 2006 at 01:36:55 PM
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Fact - The Green #11 always has and always will put butts in the stands. Like it or not.


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azteca
November 19, 2006 at 02:23:19 PM
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Yep he sure does .... 1200 of them in S.Dakota vs. over 6,000 with out him also in S.Dakota. I distinctly remember the doom and gloom over the future of NASCAR in both main stream publications and racing publications after the death of D. Earnhart Sr. NASCAR today is bigger and has continued to thrive and grow since his unfortunate demise. S.K. is with out a doubt the greatest the sport of sprint car racing has or will ever HAVE, but with him racing or not racing will not determine the future success of ANY series. Have a S.K. only autograph session followed by S.K. only hot lapping for a couple hours at any dirt track in America for a $5.00 adult ticket and I'd wager you'd be lucky to sell a hundred tickets. IT"S 90% ABOUT RACING at best 10%personallities.

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H2H
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November 19, 2006 at 02:30:45 PM
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The ones that where with WoO last year should be the ONLY ones to get travel money period !

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Hawker
November 19, 2006 at 06:55:03 PM
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I know of one track that for a fact they didn't re-book the WoO because Kinser wasn't with them.


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