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nonwing bill
March 04, 2007 at 04:03:44 AM
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Horrible track conditions. Too much downtime. Way too cold. Did I mention how crappy the track was? Kinda sorry I wasted my time going down.



david_jones
March 04, 2007 at 07:38:49 AM
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Posted By: nonwing bill on March 04 2007 at 04:03:44 AM

Horrible track conditions. Too much downtime. Way too cold. Did I mention how crappy the track was? Kinda sorry I wasted my time going down.



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hook
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March 04, 2007 at 04:33:52 PM
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This message was edited on March 04, 2007 at 04:39:20 PM by hook

"Way too cold" is probably the key here. When you're that cold, your not very patient about much.

Saturday was not a bad race and for all but the last 3 or 4 races, there was plenty of passing and dust was minimal. They reworked the track after the first TWENTY modified heats. Redid 2/3s of it but the part in the middle that they didn't do is where it eventually locked down. Still, we saw 29 or 30 good races -- some great -- and 3 or 4 train races. I wish it was way warmer and I wish they could have took the time to do more to the track but that was definitely NOT a bad race. I heard Friday was more dusty and a little tough for some guys to pass. I was there Saturday but not Friday. Still, I know one mod racer that went from 13th to 3rd in the B and 23rd to 7th in the A on FRIDAY to make the show. He thought the track was great! Then in the A on Saturday, he didn't think so because he started 13th and finished 11th and couldn't pass. All drivers are like that. It used to be they griped that it was rough but it wasn't rough this year. And last year's Saturday race wasn't rough either.

I have been to way worse than this one many times and I've seen tracks like Clinton, State Fair and Devil's Bowl lock down (like last year's ASCS finally for example.) So it happens.

200 Mods and 50 Late Models?! I'll be back.....just hope it's warmer!



nonwing bill
March 04, 2007 at 07:04:27 PM
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I like the mods and late models. They're the reason I went. The only reason there was "no dust" was because the wind was blowing it the other way from the stands. Too cold for me. Had SEVERAL layers on and was still uncomfortable. Just guess I'm getting too old. If they were going to take 30 minutes to rework 2/3 of the track they should have done the whole thing. Lots of cars are great but trying to run that many into one evening was too much. Tweaking the format would help. The mod heats were okay early on. The late model heats were decent after working the track. Boen was fun in the first late model semi. Thought I was watching a World of Outlaw race during the features. No passing. Seems like lots of other fans had the same opinion as the crowd continued to thin throughout the night. Just disappointed that the show didn't live up to the expectations after the '05 and '06 shows which were quite racy. Guess I'm just a little more picky about my racing than others.



David Smith Jr
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March 04, 2007 at 08:26:02 PM
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I wasn't going to post personal opinions on this message board anymore but I will make an exception this time. The facility is first class and the amount of cars for what it paid is mind boggling. But a "run once a year" track can't be expected to have quality racing surfaces when they do decide to race. Friday nights racing was okay at best, unlike last years when we track conditions tore up cars and equipment.

One other thing that boggles my mind on the car count is that you have to make top four in your heat race or your done each night and don't get paid. And there are over 200 modifieds, that is what blows me away. But it boils down to one thing, the sign at the track that says Texas Motor Speedway.

I think Bill's opinion and likes are alot like mine, which is why we have alot of things in common. Thing is, he likes F-1 and other types of racing while I will stick with dirt tracks. He and I love our sprint car racing but during the past couple of years have grown to like the modifieds. We have always enjoyed the late models, however. But trust me Bill when I say that, like me, you will be back next year and hopefully it will be better weather where it doesnt matter what they do to the track, as long as your not shaking and shivering it is all good.


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David Smith Jr
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March 04, 2007 at 09:00:07 PM
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Let's see if it still holds true even today. Use to be alot of people stopped at Loves coming out of Denton, where did ya'll stop? As you and I talked, track time is invaluable and the more you get, the better you will become. Just like racing at different tracks, I feel it will make you a better driver.


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champsprint50
March 04, 2007 at 09:04:27 PM
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This message was edited on March 04, 2007 at 09:05:49 PM by champsprint50

I went down for Saturday nights race. Was a little cold and the track took rubber which didn't allow for much passing. Still good racing alot of cars and it only cost me 15 dollars for shampoo that paid for 4 tickets. I thought that they did fool around a little bit. I thought that they should have drawn for positions in the A,B, and C qualifiers. If you were in the 20th heat and made it to the A,B or C qualifier then you started in 20th position and it made it hard to get to the front.



nonwing bill
March 05, 2007 at 12:27:24 AM
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Hey J.D.. Now I know who you are. I thought Tyler's ride looked good and I was rooting for him and all of the Okies.

The track was horrible. There were a ton of cars. Quality cars. But when you're told by a friend while standing in line Saturday that the track was s*&t Friday and then you're blowing dust before the first hot lap session is over, you know things aren't going to be good.

Not enough personnel to handle on-track situations, no push trucks, two four wheelers and a Kawasaki Mule for push vehicles. That sucks. I love TMS for what they've done to support the IRL. NASCAR, I could give a crap about but that's all you heard about from the announcers, when you could even hear them.

We stopped at Love's north of Denton this time and, lo and behold, Subway was open! That went pretty good 11 hours after my Sonny Bryan's BBQ lunch.

If the weather is better next year, I'll probably go back and see how they handle the show. But if the car counts continue to increase, they must tweak the show to make it more fan friendly and get me out at a decent hour.



nonwing bill
March 05, 2007 at 12:33:18 AM
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You're right Dave. And thanks for sticking up for me. Save me seat for the Friday night ASCS show at SFS. Don't know about Saturday yet.



OKCFan12
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March 05, 2007 at 12:51:29 AM
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I went down for Saturday nights race. Was a little cold and the track took rubber which didn't allow for much passing. Still good racing alot of cars and it only cost me 15 dollars for shampoo that paid for 4 tickets. I thought that they did fool around a little bit. I thought that they should have drawn for positions in the A,B, and C qualifiers. If you were in the 20th heat and made it to the A,B or C qualifier then you started in 20th position and it made it hard to get to the front.



a lil cold Mike? I was sitting right next to you and I think you were more than "a little" cold. lol.

As for the racing. I was impressed. I don't go to many shows that are minus sprints......Clinton has been the exception a time or 2 and that place needs to be condemned. Well, the stands anyways. But geez over 200 mods and 50 late models ......what more could CCC ask for? At the time it was so cold it was hard to enjoy it, but after awhile one became numb and then it was better. Looking back I thought it was a good race. Sure there were a couple of things that were less than desirable. But most of that was weather related. The downtime might not have been so bad if not for the cold. But as was stated above for a track that runs only once a year they did a good job. My thing is I got to see another track I've never seen before (the tunnel was cool) and it reminded me a lot of Dodge City. Mr. Whitworth made what I think was a great point. You can't expect a track to be tacky or evern hold moisture when you don't work it throughout the week. SFS pulls of tacky tracks after weeks of no rain and 100+ temps. Thats b/c Lanny does mess with the track throughout the week. Down at TMS you just can't expect that when they only race once maybe twice a year.

Besides I have more to bitch about than most of you.........I didn't get back to El Reno until 4am just to get up and play soccer in OKC at 830am. Thats why the downtime----at times----kinda bothered me. But thats what one has to do that splits their hobby between dirt track racing and indoor soccer.

And then played again by Lake Hefner at 930pm.

Won both games. Sore as hell. Can't hardly wait for Cowtown next week (potentially) I think it is actually supposed to be warm. :)

 


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nonwing bill
March 05, 2007 at 02:39:06 AM
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You are a sick puppy. Just wait 'til you get a few more years on you and you'll wonder...."What the h*^% was I doing?". You'll learn to appreciate quality, not quantity.

That sounds way too close to a NASCRAP sponsor's catchphrase. I'm so sorry.



pintopat77
March 05, 2007 at 12:41:19 PM
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I was glad to see all the OKC/Lawton regulars down there. Stanleys new colors threw me off though. I was hoping to see everyone do better than they did, but thats racing. With the qualifing format it does make it a little hard. I enjoyed watching Chad Wheeler throw his weight around both nights. And if Timms just could have passed one more car Saturday night it would have been great. The whole weekend of racing was good none the less. It was cold and reworking the track was a little pointless (both nights), but it was still enjoyable (except for the $5 dollar plastic bottle beer that wasn't cold most of the time). They do need to pay better from top to bottom, that I agree on 100%. But where else could you have gone to see Underdog win a race. The winner did have some cool graphics.



OKCFan12
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March 06, 2007 at 12:51:41 AM
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Posted By: nonwing bill on March 05 2007 at 02:39:06 AM

You are a sick puppy. Just wait 'til you get a few more years on you and you'll wonder...."What the h*^% was I doing?". You'll learn to appreciate quality, not quantity.

That sounds way too close to a NASCRAP sponsor's catchphrase. I'm so sorry.



sick puppy? who are you talkin too?

If myself I'm more for quality. Although when I arrive at SFS every friday I ask some friends of mine how many sprinters they got (hence the name CCC). Whether everyone could admit it or not car counts DO matter to everyone in some shape way or form. I've seen great races with 16 sprints (4th of July Lawton a couple years back). I've seen crappy races with 70 (Knoxville 360 Nationals one time.......don't remember when exactly). Car counts matter - but they don't determine the quality of the race. Usually track conditions have the final say in that. But Car counts (quantity) do have SOME impact on the QUALITY of the show.

No offense Bill. I agree with you that Nascar sucks. But if you don't like it why do you still watch it?


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nonwing bill
March 06, 2007 at 08:19:53 PM
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No offense taken. And you're right about counts and track conditions.

I guess I'm the eternal optimist and hope NASCAR fires off something different every once in a while. I do watch but not religiously and certainly don't plan my days around the races as I used to. I like racing. Given the choice between NASCAR and anything else that's not tape delayed, I'm watching IRL, Grand Am, NHRA or something.



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