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Could happen every night if unhooked them with smaller tires and a wing angle rule, but would save too much money, make for too much passing and take the dirty air away.

 
 
 
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I gotta believe that track conditions had a lot to do with it. A dry slick, dust storm, small track kinda takes away the horsepower advantage.

I agree with this assessment.  You hit the nail squarely on the head.

I think part of it was lack of 410 cars.  If you had 30 410 s and 6 360 s, it would have looked different.  The 360 did do a good job and I am sure these were the better 360 in area.  I would also say a 410 that hit 950 HP on a dyno never ever sees 950 HP at the track.  Dyno HP is under controlled conditions.  Cool air blowing into injection stacks.  Open exhaust when some tracks require mufflers.  Full throttle runs when you can not do it at times on a dirt track.  The feul is adjusted for the most HP.   Most teams are trying to take HP out of engines on dry tracks.

That was the case.  In time trials they were already peddling it 

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I have never seen a track that looked like glass early in the event that didn't lock down rubber by the end. That new York dirt is some odd stuff.

If a 360 is running well against the 410's you better check the track prep.

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Or they had to run smaller harder tires and non-adj wing, 15 degrees, plumb bob in front of rear axle.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
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The 410 would still drag the 360's on the straights.

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How many times does it have to be proven that a top end 360 isn't that much cheaper than a similar quality 410?

You won't see a drop in price unless there is a spec engine or very strict rules on component.

if they unhooked them so you could spin the tires you wouldn't need any engine rules. Could build a cheap unlimited motor for half the cost.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
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If a 360 is running with the 410's competively then you better check the track prep.  See Weedsport last week......enough said!

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Whether you agree with him or not I think Cubic's point went over all your heads.

The NY guys that ran near the front - 10, 01 had 410's under the hood.

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For a 360 to be competitive against a 410 a lot depends on track size and how the track prep is progressing thru the night. 

Take the grove, port royal and Selinsgrove a 360 wouldn't have a chance.  You go to a place like  attica, lernerville and mercer a 360 could run possibly top 5. 

That 950HP is used for 1 thing. The dreaded 2 laps on the clock. 

Have you priced a 360 engine lately?  They are not much cheaper than a 410.  So there would be very little money saved.  Cubic is right to a point but, it is never, ever going to happen.  They will find a way to spend 60 to 70 grand on a 360 if they get rid of the 410.....nothing saved.  

If they change the rules the way he wants to......hoosier will be in a huge bind getting everyone smaller tires.  

A 360 no matter what the rules are will never ever compete equally with a 410.   The 360 will alway be dragged down the straights.  And with the 360 being cast iron block.  If you blow up the block has a good chance of being junk.....that is not the case with the 410....they can be repaired where the 360 can't.  

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Go outside and look up. You will see Cubic's point sailing way above you.

The point is there is NO WAY a 360 would ever be able to run with a  410.   Unless the track was junk.  See weedsport or port Royal.  No matter what the rules are....sorry to disappoint you!

I would have loved to see a 360 try to race with them at pevely last night on a 3rd of a mile track.  I doubt any 360 would have qualified. No matter what you change on the 410.  Both have to run by the same tire rules and wing angle.  

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I'll say it one more time. Varin, Paulie C., Trenca, Franek for sure have 410 motors and I'm pretty sure Wight does also. Not sure about the other NY cars. A 360 might have been an advantage in the feature especially running the low line. Track was very slick for sure, good racing with a lot of passing though.    

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No one is advocating for 360's, in fact the exact opposite!

Hell... build a 430 if that trips your trigger, a stroker crank is way cheaper than the latest and greatest heads. The point was that unhooked race cars, whether done mechanically or by track conditions level the playing field and make for better racing period.

Then 7 out of every 10 nights that 360, 410, 430 doesnt matter nearly as much.

You na sayers are correct... it will never happen, not because the difference of cost between a 410 and 360 its beacuse the WoO will never allow rule changes that give up the full timers advantages; Ultra Light - Extremely Hooked Up - Monster HP is what sets them apart from most of the locals and makes them the Greatest Show On Dirt!