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Topic: Spinal Injuries
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PLJ7236
July 20, 2019 at 06:25:40 PM
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Why all the spinal injuries? Don't they make a seat and back pad for racing car seats? What's the problem? Is it too "expensive" to install in the car?



MIDDLEFINGER
July 20, 2019 at 07:16:17 PM
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yes they make a pad that you can put in the seat.  Tim Buckwalter had a wicked crash at Grandview last month and he credits the pad for him being able to walk away. he says he puts it in every car he gets in 

http://www.kreitzovaltrackparts.com/item185128.ctlg

 



THEGOSHOW
July 21, 2019 at 04:54:12 AM
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Posted By: MIDDLEFINGER on July 20 2019 at 07:16:17 PM

yes they make a pad that you can put in the seat.  Tim Buckwalter had a wicked crash at Grandview last month and he credits the pad for him being able to walk away. he says he puts it in every car he gets in 

http://www.kreitzovaltrackparts.com/item185128.ctlg

 



We do not run without an 802 solutions crash pad bottom and back...No they are not expensive and this is coming from a team with pretty much no money...You can't cure everything but you take every precaution because the car is no fun just sitting in the garage while the driver heals...Also it is my grandson in that seat!!



kossuth
July 21, 2019 at 08:46:11 AM
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Posted By: PLJ7236 on July 20 2019 at 06:25:40 PM

Why all the spinal injuries? Don't they make a seat and back pad for racing car seats? What's the problem? Is it too "expensive" to install in the car?



This is not something that is limited to sprint cars. Denny Hamlin, Aric Amirola, Robert Wickens, Dario Franchitti, are just some big name drivers that have had spinal injuries.

Much of it has to do with how rapid a racecar stops or changes directions during a crash.  Think of your vertebrea bones as a stack of Cheerios with a rod running through the middle. Then put a heavyish nut on top to simulate a persons head with a helmet.  If you take that stack and bang it downward on a table you’ll notice some of the middle Cheerios explode due to the weight of the “helmet and head” still attempting to continue moving down toward the table. 

The crash pads help acting as a shock if you will damping the blow to a drivers spine but its not a cure all. Some of these guys are wrecking with G forces in the 80+ G range. When you put into perspective that a single G is equal to your weight with the forces of gravity on you.  80Gs is 80 times that force.  

For example let’s say your head weighs 30 lbs for example.  A load of 1G puts 30 lbs of force on your spinal column. Now let’s say you crash real hard with a bottom of the car first impact into the wall at 30 Gs. That force on your spinal column is now 900 lbs. Raise the impact to 50Gs and the force becomes 1500 lbs. Granted these numbers are all assuming static impacts with no deflection of impact angles etc but I think you get the point.  The stresses and forces can really hurt these guys/gals even if nothing intrudes into the cockpit during a wreck. 



SprintFan16
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July 21, 2019 at 08:52:19 AM
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This message was edited on July 21, 2019 at 09:38:22 AM by SprintFan16
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Posted By: THEGOSHOW on July 21 2019 at 04:54:12 AM

We do not run without an 802 solutions crash pad bottom and back...No they are not expensive and this is coming from a team with pretty much no money...You can't cure everything but you take every precaution because the car is no fun just sitting in the garage while the driver heals...Also it is my grandson in that seat!!



EDIT: I'm a dummy at times and misread the post I am quoting. Going to keep my original post as-is below.

Grandstands layman here - this post really, really confuses me though. "You can't cure everything but you take every precatuion because the car is no fun sitting in the garage while the driver heals" but you don't run this inexpensive piece of equipment designed to save your driver from a spinal injury? 

Is there is some kind of negative to using these crash pads? Like is it overly uncomfortable or something? I can't imagine it's too much of a weight issue. The layjman side of me sits here and wonders why every driver in the country isn't running it if it has some validity to protect from injury.

Assuming the claims about this product are true, this would be similar to when the HANS Device originally came out. Thankfully racing organizers had enough gumption to decide they were tired of their drivers dying and enforced it. 



kossuth
July 21, 2019 at 08:53:12 AM
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Posted By: PLJ7236 on July 20 2019 at 06:25:40 PM

Why all the spinal injuries? Don't they make a seat and back pad for racing car seats? What's the problem? Is it too "expensive" to install in the car?



As others said it’s not that expensive and while I have no hard data I’m sure many drivers in sprint cars use energy absorbing seat products. I’m also certain that the Indycar and Stockcar drivers I mentioned above had a similar product in their seats. it’s just that as I eluded to in the previous post the forces are sometimes just so high you overcome the usefulness of a product. 



kossuth
July 21, 2019 at 09:00:53 AM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 21 2019 at 08:52:19 AM

EDIT: I'm a dummy at times and misread the post I am quoting. Going to keep my original post as-is below.

Grandstands layman here - this post really, really confuses me though. "You can't cure everything but you take every precatuion because the car is no fun sitting in the garage while the driver heals" but you don't run this inexpensive piece of equipment designed to save your driver from a spinal injury? 

Is there is some kind of negative to using these crash pads? Like is it overly uncomfortable or something? I can't imagine it's too much of a weight issue. The layjman side of me sits here and wonders why every driver in the country isn't running it if it has some validity to protect from injury.

Assuming the claims about this product are true, this would be similar to when the HANS Device originally came out. Thankfully racing organizers had enough gumption to decide they were tired of their drivers dying and enforced it. 



Reread his post.



SprintFan16
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July 21, 2019 at 09:37:23 AM
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Posted By: kossuth on July 21 2019 at 09:00:53 AM

Reread his post.



Damnit. Missed three letters on one word and it completely changes the whole context. My bad.



HoldenCaulfield
July 21, 2019 at 10:03:44 AM
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So..do most drivers use them? Is there any data of drivers that have had veretebra injuries and whether or not they were using a crash pad? I know they aren't going to prevent every injury but it would seem pretty silly not to have one. Then again I think people who ride mototcycles without a helmet are being stupid too, yet most bikers around here don't wear one.


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THEGOSHOW
July 21, 2019 at 10:04:44 AM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 21 2019 at 08:52:19 AM

EDIT: I'm a dummy at times and misread the post I am quoting. Going to keep my original post as-is below.

Grandstands layman here - this post really, really confuses me though. "You can't cure everything but you take every precatuion because the car is no fun sitting in the garage while the driver heals" but you don't run this inexpensive piece of equipment designed to save your driver from a spinal injury? 

Is there is some kind of negative to using these crash pads? Like is it overly uncomfortable or something? I can't imagine it's too much of a weight issue. The layjman side of me sits here and wonders why every driver in the country isn't running it if it has some validity to protect from injury.

Assuming the claims about this product are true, this would be similar to when the HANS Device originally came out. Thankfully racing organizers had enough gumption to decide they were tired of their drivers dying and enforced it. 



I am 100% for the 802 solutions crash pad...I don't see a down side maybe some other driver's have an opinion and can explain...If you have ever been to a high school wrestling match and notice how thin the matt actually is that is what i kind of compare the crash pad to..As i stated you never zero out all the effect and danger but why not take every precaution available?



turn4guy
July 21, 2019 at 03:22:38 PM
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Just ask Mike Tyson about spinal injuries.  



microsprint6
July 21, 2019 at 04:38:07 PM
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Posted By: MIDDLEFINGER on July 20 2019 at 07:16:17 PM

yes they make a pad that you can put in the seat.  Tim Buckwalter had a wicked crash at Grandview last month and he credits the pad for him being able to walk away. he says he puts it in every car he gets in 

http://www.kreitzovaltrackparts.com/item185128.ctlg

 



That is not what Tim was using, he was using a seat pour that he puts in and takes out at every race.

The one complaint you always hear about the crash pad is during a wreck and as the foam compresses, the seat belt get loose. I know a lot of guys who took them out for this reason. 



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July 21, 2019 at 05:48:18 PM
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I would think that after several hard hits any part of the body becomes more suspectable to injury including concussions and their severity....same thing with back & neck injuries.....   Most everyone would agree sprint cars don't have the suspension of a Rolls Royce...



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