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Topic: KNOXVILLE ON DIRT VISION
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jwerkman
April 03, 2019 at 09:24:46 AM
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Finally found a price for Knoxville on dirt vision it will be $17.99

a little bit hight than before but i am sure the quality will be better


 

StanM
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April 04, 2019 at 04:55:39 PM
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Posted By: jwerkman on April 03 2019 at 09:24:46 AM

Finally found a price for Knoxville on dirt vision it will be $17.99

a little bit hight than before but i am sure the quality will be better



Thanks.  That isn't a bad price for a weekly show once in a while when we're rained out at home.


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BStrawser26
April 04, 2019 at 08:57:25 PM
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This message was edited on April 04, 2019 at 09:03:51 PM by BStrawser26
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Posted By: jwerkman on April 03 2019 at 09:24:46 AM

Finally found a price for Knoxville on dirt vision it will be $17.99

a little bit hight than before but i am sure the quality will be better



That is way too much for a weekly show when you can get the outlaws for 40.00 a month.  Knoxville should not be more than that.  I love Knoxville but it isn't worth that much for a weekly show.  Knoxville general admission is 15.00.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Johnny Utah
April 04, 2019 at 10:11:36 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on April 04 2019 at 08:57:25 PM

That is way too much for a weekly show when you can get the outlaws for 40.00 a month.  Knoxville should not be more than that.  I love Knoxville but it isn't worth that much for a weekly show.  Knoxville general admission is 15.00.



So you won't be watching?

I'm sure that means we'll still be subjected to your thoughts and opinions on the program anyway.



StanM
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April 05, 2019 at 07:12:21 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on April 04 2019 at 08:57:25 PM

That is way too much for a weekly show when you can get the outlaws for 40.00 a month.  Knoxville should not be more than that.  I love Knoxville but it isn't worth that much for a weekly show.  Knoxville general admission is 15.00.



The last couple of years the former service had it priced slightly higher so it is a good deal.  Compare twelve hours round trip driving all night to avoid motel costs along with gas and food and going there isn't going to happen very often.  I only get the Knoxville PPV when everything is rained out and I can't go anywhere that particular night.  PPV is never a substitute for going somewhere and doing something.  ;)


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jwerkman
April 05, 2019 at 09:39:02 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on April 04 2019 at 08:57:25 PM

That is way too much for a weekly show when you can get the outlaws for 40.00 a month.  Knoxville should not be more than that.  I love Knoxville but it isn't worth that much for a weekly show.  Knoxville general admission is 15.00.



I WILL PAY IT

THE PRICE IS OK. THE BEER IS CHEAPER AND MY RECLINER IS DAMN COMFORTABLE. 

I KNOW WHERE I WILL BE AT THE 13TH AND 20TH. IF WE DO NOT MAKE THE TREK TO DIRT HEAVEN.

 


 

racefanigan
April 05, 2019 at 09:40:33 AM
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I would Love to have that slip and slide 15 minutes from my house. I thought the highlights looked awesome! Here in the midwest, we get slip and slides for 4 laps, then its rubber. That might suit your taste a little more, as the cars are going faster at that point. 

I would rather watch a good race at 3 seconds off the track record than a freight train 4 tenths off it. That is my opinion, Opinions are not facts.



IADIRT
April 05, 2019 at 02:52:24 PM
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When its only 15 dollars to get in I don't feel like $18 dollars online for a single event is bad. With the WoO they have to price low to try and get and more importantly KEEP customers. It gives long term stability and a steady inflow of money. Its much easier to  price single events higher since only the people with available time to actually sit down and watch will purchase. When it comes to a month subscription they may only watch 3/5 events due to conflicting schedules. There must be a premium price that benefits Dirtvision for stability and the customer a lower overall price per event if they are willing to take the time and watch each race.



shernernum
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That makes no sense.  But, what else is new.



HoldenCaulfield
April 06, 2019 at 10:51:43 AM
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Posted By: racefanigan on April 05 2019 at 09:40:33 AM

I would Love to have that slip and slide 15 minutes from my house. I thought the highlights looked awesome! Here in the midwest, we get slip and slides for 4 laps, then its rubber. That might suit your taste a little more, as the cars are going faster at that point. 

I would rather watch a good race at 3 seconds off the track record than a freight train 4 tenths off it. That is my opinion, Opinions are not facts.



agreed. I prefer the racing on smaller tracks to the 1/2 miles but Port has it figured out. The dry-slick hardly ever fails to produce some great racing there. Most of the drivers prefer it too as it makes the driver a much bigger part of the equation. The key is still having some cushion way up close to the guard rail when it slicks off and Port seems to have mastered it.


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shernernum
April 06, 2019 at 11:01:51 AM
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Those are subscription services and I can almost guarantee you, that while you get lots of races, if you averaged out what most people actually ended up watching over the course of the season, the total wouldn't be much different than if they were paying for individual races.  I paid for the DirtVision subscription last year, which was a good deal, however, there were months that I didn't get to watch many races, and living on the East Coast and working for a living I never watched a race on the West Coast swing even though I was subscribed because they were far too late for me.  So, in reality there were  months that the subscription was a terrible deal for me and I am sure I am not alone.  Subscription services offer lower prices, because they know they are going to make it up in breakage.

Yes, I am aware that I could have stopped the subscription at any point, but most people don't take the time to do that and the subscription services know that.....it's a calculated risk that the ppv company takes, knowing in the long run they will make more money overall.  

Your argument is comparing apples and oranges.  The Knoxville per race fee is higher than their weekly admission and you are arguing that it shouldn't be that way because subscription services are cheaper.  If Knoxville was offering a subscription or was included in one, it would probably be cheaper per race and they would be taking a calculated risk that someone would be paying a subscription for (ex.) 20 races but only actually watch, say, 12 or 13.  Many of the other tracks that participate in the bulk subscription programs, do so because they need the exposure and the eyeballs but I am sure it really isn't helping their bottom line much in actual direct revenue.   The Dirtvision WoO subscription is a source of revenue and publicity that goes directly to the sanctioning body, since, aside from the sanctioning fees, the at track admissions go to the track, not the sanctioning body.   Knoxville doesn't really need to increase their visibility or notoriety, so unless the deal is offering them a direct financial benefit they really have no need for it.

For individual, one off charge, event ppv's there is no reason they should be cheaper than the in person price.  If you stay home and watch online, they are still making less money than if you attended in person and lose the opportunity to make additional money off of you (concessions, merchandise etc.).  Why would they incentivize staying home by making it cheaper than going to the races.  If someone from beyond driving distance, who never had an opportunity to watch a weekly Knoxville show wants to watch they can now watch....and the price isn't outrageous, but if it's too much no one is twisting our arms to buy it.



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April 06, 2019 at 03:10:49 PM
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DV should've bundled the two together for like $50/mo or something in that ballpark, or offered discounted rates to Fast Pass subscribers. There's zero incentive for Fast Pass subscribers to buy Knoxville weekly outside of a vested interest, WoO rainout or preferred choice, however, I can't imagine many would pick Knoxville over WoO. Either of the above options would have led to incremental gains easily. Knoxville really shouldn't care about the value of the weekly PPV, it should want to bring in any additional revenue it can. Their costs of providing the weekly events are already fixed. I guess it's possible DirtVision wanted the high price as they are doing the backend. I'm sure the low cost on WoO is part of an overall marketing push for the series' greater good. 

Either way, I highly doubt I'll buy much, if any Knoxville this year due to the costs. I just don't see the value given Fast Pass.



Johnny Utah
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The Whispers sang a song that I think encapsulates this entire post, its called "And the Beat Goes On...."

(Yawn)



shernernum
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Just because you tuned in to all the Outlaw races doesn’t mean most people did.  And was I bitter over not canceling my subscription.  Nope, even if it was my fault.  Thats why subsriptions that rollover are so popular, because people end up buying things they never would have spent money on because on paper they think it’s a good deal, but the vendor ends up selling a product to a lot more people than would have bought it individually.  it’s like thinking you saved a bunch of money when something is on sale but actually not because you never would have bought it at full price.

Single event pay per view races are almost always more expensive or the same price as in person admission.  Subscription services are a completely  different animal.

Also, do you really think that just because you don’t buy concessions and merchandise most other people don’t?   If you think that’s the case you are more nuts than I thought.

BTW, have you ever actually looked at the PPV contracts to see if the tracks actually make any money off of them.  I haven’t and you probably haven‘t either so how can you really determine what is fair for the track and ppv company to charge.  Knoxville and Dirtvision have decided it’s not in their best interests to make their races part of a subscription and they set an individual price.  If it doesnt work out I’m sure they will try something different next year.



rpmx
April 07, 2019 at 08:23:48 AM
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Then dont buy it Strawser.  Its your $$     I can guarantee you that if Im sitting home on Saturday night, $17.99 to watch the live stream is a bargain compared to making the trek down, like Stan said.

 

I think theyll be fine. If theres any problem, its the competition for live stream events available with WoO, Knoxville, ASCS, etc all offering subscriptions.

 

 



daytimer
April 07, 2019 at 11:07:27 AM
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Last year I had the dirtvision fast pass and that was great and I watched almost every outlaw race. I also bought almost every Knoxville race and when they were on the same night I could watch both and switch back and forth and rarely were the features at the same time.  Now that dirtvision has both the Outlaws and Knoxville it will make it hard to watch both.  Last year sometimes I could watch three races in one night.



staggerman
April 08, 2019 at 10:12:52 AM
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You all can complain about $17.99 but figuring I would have a total of 12 hours of driving, gas, food, hotel expenses totalling over $200 for one nights racing. That is a bargin if I am sitting at home on a rainy night that my local track has cancelled. If you think it is too expensive don't buy it. I have the Woo on Dirtvision and USAC on Floracing and get to watch more races than I would have ever seen live, it is a bargin compared to attending in person.



MSPN
April 08, 2019 at 10:30:01 AM
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I will be adding Speed Shift any day as they have 17 races this month for $40, I will likely drop Dirtvision at the end of the month, mainly due to constant buffering more than anything else....



blazer00
April 08, 2019 at 10:44:20 AM
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You all can complain about $17.99 but figuring I would have a total of 12 hours of driving, gas, food, hotel expenses totalling over $200 for one nights racing. That is a bargin if I am sitting at home on a rainy night that my local track has cancelled. If you think it is too expensive don't buy it. I have the Woo on Dirtvision and USAC on Floracing and get to watch more races than I would have ever seen live, it is a bargin compared to attending in person.



Comparing the PPV price to being there is the most ridiculous arguement there is for describing a "bargain"  And too many throw that in to the equation. If it were $15.00 for the PPV, dame as the admission, those who are going would still go, and those who aren't still would not. The only exception might be if the weather is iffy. Some may stay home knowing they can go online if there is no cancellation. But I doubt $2.99 more is the deciding factor. 



jz77
April 08, 2019 at 11:18:05 AM
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Yet the car counts seem to point to port having something figured out.



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