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  Using a block that is already in existence.  Still working on a new design.

Wesmar. If this 'NEW' motor dominates. I will ask you. What is that going to do to sprint car racing ?

there is no way the engine will dominate.  Not because it is a Ford, but because tracks are on the dry side all the time anymore

I herd wrg wanted A couple of things changed but I do know they are casting more head bolts into the thing so they can up the compressio, one thing they had trouble with on my block. 

  Honestly it's a pretty simple deal, "monkey see monkey do"

Went quick time first time out. 

LOL. Wesmar, you are correct. Monkey see, Monkey do. Are you guys developing anything for a ford powerplant ? 

Is his engine rule wise same as WOO rule?  I doubt it as if ISR and Ford are having a hard time getting engine block and heads approved by WOO, how could he?

The motor is built by Cressman Enterprises in Hartford,S.D. Gerald and Johnn have been building Fords and racing them (360 open headed,360 ASCS, and 410's) for over 35+ years with quite a bit of success in the midwest. Bill has ran Cressman motors in the southwest 360 series for years with quite a bit of succes with R.J.Johnson. He also had I believe Grant in his car at Las Vegas in march (which the win('s) were taken away3 days later after passed tech both nights).  The motors they build are very competitve H.P. wise, great torque numbers as well. The key thing about their motors are they are very adaptive, great on a heavy track but unlike some theirs are very  "throttleable" on a dry slick. 

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  I believe Andy Durham is building the engine with assistance from Ron Shaver.

I see Mopar just introduced an all aluminum crate motor that has 1000 H.P. complete ready to put in including gas pedal.It is 426CI and turbo charged ,It didnt say the price but I would guess around $30K.The old 430 that still  show up occasionally had extra torque but the 410 rule is what is one of the factors in over $70K motors. The Chevy motor that was tried with some success several years ago by Mr.Schatz was scrapped even though it was a cheaper engine but there are so many high calibur  high priced engines that the owners all ready have.Knoxville has a 305 class that  a larger cubic engine crate motor is also legal and was much cheaper than a 305 that could compete and be realiable. Racing engines will never be cheap but cubic inches add power and not cost.

I was refering to the motor Meseral was driving in the 77m Bill Michaels car

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Forget the Ford engine, not gonna happen.  Schatz gets a free engine (if it ever happens, only been almost 3 years now)  and everyone else if they wanted one would have to plop down $65 to $70,000  or more.  Hell, we'll have new rules within two years slowing down the HP gain happening each year with these engine builders and hopefully slowing down the costs.  Possibly a spec/crate engine package or something, maybe 700 to 750 HP and no one would be able to tell the difference when on the track.  It was only 15 years ago when the engines produced less than this amount of HP and it was standing room only crowds.

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A crate engine would ruin WOO type racing   Yes we need to reduce cost of engines, but not with crate.

I'm just a fan and this is probably a stupid question, but what is the disadvantage of crate motors?  To me they seem like a great way to help control spending.  Also how would it ruin WOO racing?  When I say this I don't think Schatz has won the majority of the races because he has had more motor than anyone but a superior setup and driving smarter has seemed to be a bigger factor.

I'm just a fan and this is probably a stupid question, but what is the disadvantage of crate motors?  To me they seem like a great way to help control spending.  Also how would it ruin WOO racing?  When I say this I don't think Schatz has won the majority of the races because he has had more motor than anyone but a superior setup and driving smarter has seemed to be a bigger factor.

I'm just a fan and this is probably a stupid question, but what is the disadvantage of crate motors?  To me they seem like a great way to help control spending.  Also how would it ruin WOO racing?  When I say this I don't think Schatz has won the majority of the races because he has had more motor than anyone but a superior setup and driving smarter has seemed to be a bigger factor.

I dont have scientific answer for you and I don't think he means it will make racing bad but the whole outlaw idea is to be fast and do whatever it takes to be fast. To me an engine rule or wing rule or tire rule goes against the nature of the Outlaw philosophy. If someone can make a biased ply implement tire set quick time night after night, there is just something about the title Outlaw that says he should be able to use it.  I do understand the need for rules to ensure safety. I also see a need to limit things through rules to keep costs down and the playing field somewhat fair. When I read the phrase" it will ruin the WoO" i take it to mean Outlaws are those who broke the rules and went where nobody had gone before. Crate rules are not in that wild no holds barred approach to the sport.

I doubt it would ever work because men are men and racing is racing, but I have wondered if there were no, or at least a lot less, rules, what would show up and would teams govern themselves based on the purse?  I know its "NO!" Some teams would still spend $60g to win $20g.

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You could be right in that he didn't mean it would be bad for racing.  To your second point about it going against the word "outlaw", in my opinion these guys are no closer to being true "outlaws" than NASCAR drivers are to driving "Stock Cars" as their names imply.  As you pointed out there are already tire, wing and motor rules.  There are many other car related rules too that seem to contradict the "outlaw"  mentality but what about the series telling you where and when you can race?  That seems to be the biggest contradiction to the "outlaw" mentality.

Good points. With Nascar they are racing more than the name suggests and the Outlaws are racing less than the title would make you expect at a race track.

There are reasons for most rules and controlling when and where drivers race is for the purpose of profit. Not the drivers tho. The Sanctioning body needs to ensure a show to ensure a paycheck. My kid is studying capitalism vs socialism in school. Kind of makes me wonder if racing has become to socialist after starting out capitalist.

Weird how that fits together.

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