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Wertz,

I have been to many Go-Kart races, I've smelled tons of tire prep, your boy was wrong, #93*

Run what you brung pleeeease. We've had enough of cookie cutter race cars almost anyone can drive wide open and therefor all the same speed, nonsense like this thread, lap times no better than 10 or 12 years ago and no room for any fresh ideas. Good for Dud if he did do something with his tires or whatever.

At least he's showing some effort and not just scraping mud off his Ott powered Maxim just like everyone else in the pits. Its time to let our heros loose and stop putting them in a box like NASCAR. There are umpteen spec classes likened to paint drying. Lets not regulate super sprint cars till no one with a brain even cares. When a rookie with a 10 year old engine is a couple tenths slower or even quicker than Steve Kinser or Saldana, somethings wrong.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Let the "Organized Cheating" begin.

Or should I say continue.

minthess..I couldn't agree more with your comments. However, there is/was a rule in place that banned aforementioned tire prep. What I find most disturbing is Knoxville failing to enforce the rules. If he would've weighed light or otherwise not passed tech (much like Jason Meyers at last year's Nationals), what would've happened then? What if it would've been Brooke Tatnell instead of Danny? I don't like a lot of rules either, but if you're going to have them, for goodness sake enforce them! This is about credibility, and Knoxville officials failed the test last August at the biggest race of the year, so it's not surprising it's still happening.

Let me make this statement short and sweet. EVERY racer that is up front is cheating and I will simply laugh at anybody that says otherwise. I'm not saying the DUDE did anything to his tires or not, this is beside the point. I know Wertz will back me up on this one.

Ok, I'm not saying for any specific driver. The track you are running at has a tire rule and within that tire rule, it indicates you cannot add anything to soften the tires. Most drivers will say (damn, can't soften the tires). Drivers at the top of their game will say, "why the hell are you trying to enforce a rule that you have no way to acurately test?"

Ta Da!!!!!! Please tell me I am not the first person to realize, "Knoxville had no accurate way to test their new tire softening rule. stay ahead of the rules and you will see many victories, at least until they realize their flaw"

Making a rule is one thing, being able to actually test for it? yeah, maybe Knoxville should have thought of that one. I'm not saying the DUDE cheated at all, I'm just saying what top quality racer would not find a loop whole in the current rule? T-PISS (aka TMAC) is just pissed he didn't figure out how they were testing tires. Just like earlier in his carreer, always one step behind the DUDE.

WE HAVE A BINGO!!! Right on Jholz2002 right on!!!

yes...successful cheating requires an INSIDE LINE on the capability of the officiating staff.

thanks for the transparent display of this unique relationship between the track / driver.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

The kart racers have already found ways around the sniffer. There are undetectable preps out there that beat the sniffer; you just have to know what you're doing.

Here is the official announcement, copied from Knoxville Raceways website. I guess everyone reach make their own decision on this. It doesn't say cleared or not guilty of anything, just inconclusive.

My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race 
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss 
that ol' gal. 

was the tire tested in Cappy's garage or Lasoki's?

My thoughts exactly. Let's call a spade a spade.

"Inconclusive" my ass. Way to pussy-foot your way out of this Knoxville Raceway. Its obvious the rule book only pertains to certain racers and teams so why even have a rule book when this is the case?!

Everyone and their dogs knew this tire was not legal, but those same people, and their dogs again, knew Knoxville would do something like this to get out of DQ'ing their golden boy. Knoxville, you have now lost a lot of respectibility in the racing world.

BIG J

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

No doubt. It doesn't take a scientist to figure it out. These officials have seen thousands of tires come off of the track after a feature, they know exactly what normal wear looks like. The fact that they sent the tire off for testing is all the evidence that anybody should need. I'm not claiming that I know the right thing to do or that I want to be an official at a race track but my official decision is that everybody else better start doping their tires. This is good for the sport(hint of sarcasm). But like i've said before, Lasoski isn't the only one that's working hard to gain that competitive edge(a.k.a. cheating) so if you can't beat em', join em'.

Rules are not worth the paper to print them on. If its not a handicapping type (weight rule) thing it is a joke, and that is joke if you don't weigh all the cars.

I laugh out load when I see you guys talking traction control its everywhere and if you can afford it you are a fool not to have it. Davis has sold thousands of them, with no end in sight.

Tire prep sold by the drums why would that be if only a few races were using it.

given past history lessons..."inconclusive" could easily mean: because we couldn't find the RECEIPT and BRAND NAME of the treatment we could not determine if DRIVER X actually BOUGHT the stuff with cash or a credit card.

once again - nothing new under the sun at the venue where NTR or TTs are ruled to STAND while heat race LOSERS get a MULLIGAN.

someone please record the BOOs this week and post the .wav file

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Uhhhh...this might be a stupid question but if the chemical actually softens the tire, wouldn't a simple durometer indicate a change?

Do they durometer check the tires? I know in the past, some "favorite sons" were getting tires that were stamped one thing and the tires were actually a different compound.

Black helicopters and tin-foil hats for EVERYONE!!!!!

I think the term "softener" is somewhat misleading. While there are chemicals that will soften a tire, there are also chemicals that will not let the tire "seal over" under a red flag or after any situation that will let the tire cool down, as well as not let the tire get too hot. These chemicals will not alter how the tire will durometer. Don't believe me, just ask Lasoski! I know the Knoxville officials say that it was a legal tire but hey, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....???

If he actually has enough gonads to show up this week I don't think you would be able to get a reliable reading on the boo meter. They might have to send the tapes to an independant testing lab and hope that the results to measure the amplitude of the boos doesn't come back, "inconclusive!"

My wife told me if I went to one more Sprint Car race 
she would leave me.................I'm sure gonna miss 
that ol' gal.