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Some people mind swearing in public, some people dont.  It was a good 4 nights of racing.  Move on

The one thing I dont get from Sweets comments were that Donny has competition now.  He didnt before?  While Im being sarcastic and think its cool that Sweet is doing well.  I think it would be funny if Schatz rattled off a bunch of wins and won the championship.  

Brad's spiel didn't bother me at all, but i'm glad he stopped himself after "mother.." that would be over the line

I'm sure i swear too much in public too

Years ago i was having a what i considered a normal conversation in a Leadville, Colorado diner, when a guy came over from the next table & asked me in no uncertain terms to stop swearing, cause his wife & kids could  hear it. I think its a Southern/ Western thing... in Noo Yawk where I grew up everybody swears

WoO doesn't appear too concerned, cause they broadcast & printed his exact words

Did Brad actually stop? I was fully under the impression DirtVision muted on the broadcast but to me it clearly looked like he said it live. I don't care either way, just curious on this now. 

It doesn't bother me personally but probably half the crowd doesn't want to hear it.  See my last post under another thread on this subject titled "Sweet celebration, and all you whiners...take up GOLF!!!!!".  I posted a link to one of my son-in-law's music videos where the word is used in the chorus.  As I said under that post, they have opened for some well known acts including Steel Panther who's shows feature legendary non stop nasty.  When the son-in-law's band takes the stage I expect that the first thing he says is going to be "are you ready to rock, then let's get this f'ing party started".  In spite of not minding that kind of language in that context I don't expect to hear it at a sporting event that kicks off with prayer but I expect it when I go see the band. 

How about we do an experiment and see if words really do matter in racing?  How about every driver who goes to victory lane starts their interview with "well sh*t, that was one h*ll of a mother f'ing race".  Lets take a survey when we're done and see if opening up the language gains or loses fans and sponsors.  Based on my experience with the kid's band the rock crowd is receptive to that language but I don't think racing is there yet and doubt that it ever will be. 

My last comments on this subject unless somebody insults my cats I'd come out of my self imposed hiatus to defend them.

Stan Meissner

Frustrated Lmfao oops I mean laughable.

You vastly overstate the amount of people that give a shit about a word. There’s probably a handful at best of people up on their high horses that cared, the rest of the world has moved on. He said shit, nobody but people stuck in the past care

He said mother f'er but stopped half way into f'er leaving the listener to fill in the blanks.  That is what is referred to as a euphinism, substituting or in this case not pronouncing the whole word but everyone knew what he said from the context.

Look, I'm not offended by language but I don't think it's good for a sport that advertises itself as a family sport to go down this worm hole. If we're going to go the way of rock concerts then I can add some things that would sizzle some ear hairs.  On the other hand, if we're still going to bill it as a family sport then I think this is a bit of a stretch and we might want to reel it back a touch.  I just think there is still a line that shouldn't be crossed but apparently someone moved it since the last time I checked.  When did this become acceptable?  I didn't get the memo but I can unleash my flight deck langauge and remove all the filters if that's where we're at now.

Stan Meissner

So your amuse that people are ridculing you and calling you names because they did not know that you are a 76 year old Vietnam Vet, who started a thread about a driver using profanity in a victory speech? Keeping in mind that you probably were not aware as to what that said driver has done to help grow the sport, how he interacts with kids, how he stays late after the show, and how he is a postive role model for kids. It does not matter if he winds or finishes 24th after getting wrecked that man is out there putting the best face possible and geniunely does it because he is a good person. But nevermind that, you want people to be ringing the phones off the hook of his sponsor, WoO, and Eldora because he said a couple of cuss words. Apparently it doesn't matter how good of a person you are and the actions someone does, you say holy shit or Mother fffffn grand, you need to be reprimanded. I find that amusing.

I also find it amusing that you admit that you yourself use the F bomb and your middle finger. At the age of 76, I would almost guarantee that you have done it in the presents of children, someone else's wife, and other woment. And I am 100% certain that when you have used that language, it was not after you won $175k doing something that you do for a living, competing against the best in your profession, after you have scraped an clawed to get where you are. So with all of that said there is another name you can add to the list above, its called hypocrite. It's for you to critique and pass judgement on people but when its done to you its not ok.

Trust me, speaking as a father of a little 3year old who was there, I was not mad or offended about what he said or if any other driver said the exact same thing. If my child were to say those words at that point then that is when I do this thing called parenting and explain to him as to why you do not & should not say certian words. And the use of his language is not a bad thing for the sport. Last year what happened to Jason Johnson & Greg Hodnett is what is bad for the sport, not the words Holy Shit.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DustinSelvage7/status/1153006337527361536

plenty of drivers giving their 2 cents, and shockingly no one is outraged. So let’s keep a tally: Napa- don’t care, WoO- don’t care, NOS- don’t care, other drivers- don’t care, 3 old guys on hoseheads- MUH MORALITY OF THE SPORT, THINK OF THE CHILDREN, GOD FORBID THEY HEAR WORDS. 

Also I love the outrage about words, but no one has said a peep about 2 drivers fighting on the track. So fighting is ok, saying shit is not. 

Getting people worked up and trying to convince people to make calls to hamper ones livelihood is pretty crappy (didnt say it).  If something did happen to Brad it would hurt/hinder more than just him.  If you have ever played/been to ANY sporting event, or been to a play ground you'll hear worse from kids at a really young age. 

Also, to the golf comment.  I've heard a heck of a lot worse on the golf course a hole or 2 away from the person doing the swearing lol  

The twitter link has drivers complaining about fans who complain about drivers. That's an interesting circle right there. Those drivers should notify their mouths who feeds it.

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

Was it a big deal?  Not really

do I hear more and worse on a daily basis? Yea

do i think he can do better and MF’in was bad taste? Yep

Glad I read this thread and twitter. I am so excited by the news that I think I’ll tell my unit manager I need a mother-fing raise. I also think I will ask my sponsors for more mother-fing money to sponser my racing efforts. I’ll make sure that I am really excited when I speak to them. Wish me luck!

it’s interesting that Lance gets on Twitter and made the comments he did. 

I must have missed Donnie’s tweet on it or the other 61 drivers in attendlance, anyone have a link?

Blake, no one said they didn’t like the emotion it was the language.

Didn't see the fight, not particularly concerned with the sh*t but don't think the mother f*cker was in good taste.  Even if it was truncated in mid sentence everyone heard and filled in the blank letters.  I don't know when it became alright to say that over the PA but apparently anyone saying "whoa, wait a minute" is considered the offender on here and not the one who swore over the PA.  What kind of a weird world is this where I'm even having to speak out about that kind of language in a victory lane interview?  I've been watching this sport since 1960 and have never heard that kind of language from a driver in victory lane.  I've heard it in the pits after the races and in the campground around the fire after a big win but never over the PA.  Is this normal now and should I be removing all restraints and peper every post with some of my Navy language or is it only OK if big name drivers talk that way?  I should really know the new rules so I can adjust to them and not make you so upset that I'm not cheering on that kind of language.

Stan Meissner

There's a difference between swearing in front of a couple friends and doing it over the PA for thousands of people to hear.  I'm as saltly as they come one on one with people I know I'm not going to offend but I'd never presume that I could drop that kind of talk on thousands of people.  That doesn't make me a hypocrite, it makes me a person with self control.

Stan Meissner

And there is a difference between swearing in front of people at a dirt track after a victory versus a board room, a school, or interview. There is also a difference in swearing & swearing at someone. Had he called someone a piece of shit, or a mother fff'er then I would somewhat understand people being offended. It's all about context. And to go further, I don't mind if anyone uses the same exact words over a PA if they achieve one of the Pinnacle accomplishments of their profession. If my son were to say why can't I say shit, Brad Sweet did. I'll say yeah and you can say it to, after you work hard to accomplish something that many others that try what you are trying haven't. 

Any of us who have kids are hypocrites when it comes to cussing. All of us tell them to not do it even though we have done it countless times. What I was calling completely hypocritical was the fact someone was mad that they were being ridiculed without anyone knowing the type of individual they were, when they in fact were doing the same thing and even started the  you add the conversation.Then fact that they were hoping that some type of ramification happened to someone who is a legitimately a good person then yes someone is a hypothetical individual with no tolerance.

I'm sure you probably did think what Brad said was poor in taste. I doubt you were so offended that you felt the need to go on the internet and start a thread on a message board stating you were hoping that more people tried to call organizations to hurt that person's otherwise positive image for cussing. I'm sure you probably went, he probably shouldn't have said that and went on with your life like everyone else did. Not, I hope someone does something to him for cussing because of those children who he stays late signing autographs for and taking pictures with

You are correct.  Besides tossing around the pros and cons about it on here and a couple other threads it's not a big deal to me.  It could be a big deal to some people who don't care for the language and he might have raised an eyebrow or two among sponsors but I was never upset in the first place.  Half the time I'm just being the devil's advocate in these threads and being entertained by the discussion.  Today I was out driving around on the rider and coming in every few hours to see the latest response and admittedly adding some fuel to the fire. 

I like to debate, not argue but debate (think high school debate team) and analize all sides of an issue in a friendly conversation where everyone respects each others views.  That's hard to do on here without someone losing it and turning the thread into a barrage of insults.  The reality is that it may not be a good trend for the sport to go in that direction from a sponsor and fan perspective.  Perhaps something was said in private which would be the way I would expect it to be handled if it's not how they want to be represented by their drivers.  Maybe the Outlaw organization is perfectly fine with it and they're sitting at their computers calling me a f*ing weenie.  I would think they'd be more professional than that but it's their organization and their call.  After all, it's not illegal to use that language, like I said before, the rock bands say that and more and their sponsors and crowd consider it a badge of honor.  I'm not so sure that dirt track racing will ever be ready to go in that direction but juding from these threads a lot more people are supportive than I would have ever expected.  I never thought I'd see the day that I'd be kicked to the curb for speaking out against bad language.  I'm usually the one that gets the evil eye for cussing too loud in the pits so this is uncharted territory.

Stan Meissner

I'm fine with debating too and its no big deal to me either. I don't mind you playing devil's advocate either as you're not an abrasive person and bring good arguments whether I agree or not. 

What I would say to your point about if it's a good trend for the sport considering sponsors, or if the Outlaws care, or if something was said behind closed doors consider this, and you can even look this up. In 2013 Brad Sweet won the Kings Royal. In victory lane he said holy shit at that time. He even said come down have a beer we're going to rock this ...... Place tonight. When you hear it you can tell he most likely was going to say rock this bitch. It is on Eldoras YouTube channel still, posted on social media at the time, no sponsors left at that time. They were able to pick up NAPA years after. Then go to Knoxville last year. In the video on Knoxville & Outlaws YouTube channels, you can hear him in the car say, I can't believe we won the Knoxville Nationals, F**k yeah! Then he said shit & even hell in the interview. Each time the crowd cheered. Napa stayed on board, no one was upset, nothing was said.

Like I said, it's about context. If he said the words as part of an attack on someone that's one thing. Most fans will give certain moments a pass or in large part not care at all. The many positives that the guy does should be weighed more heavily than his perceived "bad" language by a very miniscule section of the fandom

I don't care about someone saying "shit" in an interview. That's barely a swear word, even presidential candidates say that in public interviews.

What bothers me is a big sprint race being won via double file restart when the leader started 12th and worked his ass off to get to the front under green flag racing. I don't like the fact the 2nd place guy can win the race via double file restart without actaully having to legitimately pass the leader in green flag racing conditions. Double file restarts are just a cheap gimmick to give the casual fans the illusion of better racing. I wish the WOO would do away with them. Of course we know that won't happen because the WOO caters to the nascar crowd.

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