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hell i don't know. was the economy *^%# then? people think before they spend $ these days. i don't know what the difference is. Like i just said a few people didn't go just because of that.

So, we have 1 person and his 2 friends who didn't go because of a fuel stop that may or may not happen during a red that would have occurred anyway (when's the last A that didn't have at least 1 red?). Then we have another who didn't go because one person wins all the time. Then others who say it's because Cappy and the fair board don't do it exactly to their liking. Who votes for because the seats are too hard? How about because the water's too wet or the beer's too cold?

We've seen how many people bitching about how many different things? Sounds to me like Savage was right in his assessment of the situation. Nobody can please everyone even if they gave them each $100, some would bitch it wasn't in 5's and 10's or the bills were brand new.

The economy IS a big factor, even for the die-hards. I know it is for us, because we can't afford that kind of expense; and I know there's a whole lot more people in the same boat.

Then you have all of the people whining because they can't sit home and watch it for free??

Good Lord people, are any of you ever satisfied?? You can't be happy seeing the best 410 racers in the world giving it their all? There is no hope for this sport, obviously.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Have you ever bought a ticket to the Nationals?-Many of us have,for many years,we do have opinions and have earned the right to have them by the thousands of dollars we have spent on the Nats. over the years.

Yes, I have. Spent $1200+ for the experience the last time in fact. That doesn't mean anything more or less than whatever amount you may have spent.

So, since it's not just like it once was you can't enjoy it? Here's a tip for you, it ain't 1980 anymore. The cars have changed, the drivers have changed, the engines have changed, the tires have changed, the laws have changed and the economy has changed. How many dirt tracks have closed since the very first Knoxville Nationals? Every entertainment venue has to change with the times, or it vanishes from the scene. Change or die; pretty simple.

I restate my question from earlier: "You can't be happy seeing the best 410 racers in the world giving it their all?"

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Now that Manzy is gone, I want to go to Calistoga so bad I can tast it. A big 1/2 mile, old style grandstands and the history to go with it.

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

have you ever bought the fuel it takes to fill up that big cell? or paid the purse for the event? or had anything to do with a racing program except complain that it is not done exactly your way? you give your opinion, yet you ridicule others for giving theirs. you are ONE person who is pissed because the race is not being run the way YOU want it to be. so you blame everything that may not be perfect on that one thing that you don't like. hell it must be because of the fuel stop because nothing else in the universe has changed. you are the one that threw your opinion out their, so don't be pissed when others tell you it sucks, because that is THEIR opinion.

It's the economy, PERIOD! Any reasonable person can see that the economy has affected just about everything. Dirtybeer is feeding us this crap in a lame attempt to push his pet issue. He has nothing to support his point, but the economic numbers are very easy to find. People will not "beg borrow and steal" and let junior go hungry for any race.

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You post doesn't make alot of sense,dont really know what you are trying to address. Look up and see what Joey,T.K.,and Kraig think about the subject of the fuel stop if you think no one else really cares.

My post doesn't make sense? I answered your question as to whether I'd ever spent money at the Nationals. Then you used the "over the years" defense. I countered with the fact that this is now, not then.

Are we talking about the drivers or the fans? Make up your mind. You're losing the fight about the fans so you want to switch to the drivers now? Another totally untenable stance on your part, since I didn't see your name in the A Main line-up.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

What??-You are out there man.

If by that you mean I post intelligently with reason and facts, then yes....I'm out there in uncharted territory for you.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

There were packed stands at Saturdays qualifying at the NHRA Lucas Oil Nationals in Brainerd Saturday. Last week's issue of NSSN said that their early-year prediction that the conomy would affect the major motorsports more than the local tracks has proved to be correct. Chris E, not me. Huset's and Grand Forks,ND River City speedway have huge crowds this year, same as last year. Maybe Knoxville Nationals is in the"major motorsports" category. Gotta rebound, maybe by 2012. Hopefully sooner, like tomorrow.

Adding $6 trillion of debt in his 1st term and now if 
elected again he wouldn't have to worry about an 
electorate in 2016 so the sky is the limit.And his EPA 
would continue to put the screws to oil drilling and 
mining for coal.Can you say bankruptcy.

I'm not getting into a long fight about all of this Eagle but my family spends ALL of our extra $ and sometimes bill $ to travel to see these races. We don't just stay at our local dirt track and see the "big boys" once a year. if there is something i don't like the forums give me and other fans a place to say so and maybe we can get something done together to make our sport better. Do you remember when we all pulled together to stop the WOO from doing away with the trailers? Maybe just maybe saying something will get people to agree and something might be changed. for example a week or so ago i started a thread on B-main transfers starting in front of heat race transfers. To my surprise EVERYONE who posted agreed. Yes they agreed that it was stupid and would like to see it changed. Will it do any good? If WOO or anyone read it and care what the fans think maybe. That is why some us of "complain".

I read an interesting article recently that stated that auto racing has a history of doing well in bad economy times,one of the few sports that does actually.

I think you are giving message boards way too much credit. I believe it was the racers who made the WoO back off on the trailer deal.

9th Annual Northern Ohio Sprint Car Show
March 18-20, 2011
Featuring the FAST sprint cars
NOSCS Hall of Fame, and much more...
At the Tiffin Mall in Tiffin, Ohio
Official home of the Hoserville Ohio Benefit Auction

the racers asked for the fans help. Katie (jeremy Campbell's girlfriend) delivered 100s of petitions to the WOO from fans. my house mailed 4 alone.

1. economy IS bad and is a huge determining factor here. not just this year either. our ecomony was in its early stages of slowing as early as 2 or 3 years ago. all of this talk about economy not being a factor, i will give you the names and phone numbers of a few people on that and you can let them tell you whether or not it is a factor. i know of at least 20 people who have cancelled their yearly pilgrimage to their particular interest because of losing their job or cut in their pay. you may be very proud of the "die hard sprint car fan" , "do or die attitude" you have, but trust me these people are as passionate about their interests as you are about sprint cars. saying that the economy was not the determining factor on race attendance this year would be ignorant. last year, i would attribute a lot of it to the start of the economic downturn and 4.50 gas.

2. the die hard fan thing--give it a rest please. all fans in the stands are fans or they wouldnt be there. the one thing that seems to plague "die hard fans" is the inability for some of them to allow their favorite sports to evolve. not one person i talked to at the nationals this year gave me a negative comment about the 40 lap race and the fuel stop. extra racing for free!! extra laps for their favorite driver to get to the front. i read up on this and it has been made very clear that this is the first step. they will eventually make bigger fuel cells mandatory, but not in this economic environment. die hard fans, you need to realize, your sport will not survive without casual and non-die hard fans. no wings? they have non-wing races if wings piss you off that much. personally, i like the wing, the extra laps and i will just have to put up with the dreaded 5 minute stop for fuel. that is why i bought my tickets this year, the last 5 years and will again next year.

3. poor racing? i thought the racing was excellent on Thurday and Friday. super. the racing on wednesday was much better than i expected after the rain. the three races on Saturday night were awefull, but not a whole lot can be done about that. are we so spoiled as a society that we need everthing to be just so or we cant deal with it anymore. racing, and this includes all racing is a 50/50 sport. for every 50 nights of good racing you are going to probably going to see 50 nights of bad racing. i have seen hundreds and hundreds of races, and this is fact.

4. long story short, racing was good, unless you are a crybaby. economy kept a lot of people away, and i hope things improve for them so they can come back in the next couple of years. economy kept sales down from the people who did attend--- i know i am one who spent less. extra laps on the A-main are NEVER going to be a bad thing in MY opinion. you are of course entitled to yours.

Sarge.

Thanks sprinter25. Very interesting. Had to print that out for future reference. About as complicated as the point system.

Adding $6 trillion of debt in his 1st term and now if 
elected again he wouldn't have to worry about an 
electorate in 2016 so the sky is the limit.And his EPA 
would continue to put the screws to oil drilling and 
mining for coal.Can you say bankruptcy.

You'd be wrong on that. Outlaw Fan is correct. I remember it well because I was one of those that Katie turned to in hopes of getting the WoO to change their mind and was a small part of the happy outcome.

OF; Yes, I realize that message boards are a place for everyone to convey their opinions; but it's also a place for me to disagree with people. And I will do so when I feel that their opinions are detrimental to the big picture of a sport that I love.

If you spend bill $$ on going to races, that's your choice. Personally, I place my family's health and well-being first and entertainment down the ladder. And that's my choice.

Yep, I stay at home and see the big boys once a year. That allows me to pay all of my bills on time, and believe you me....mine would make yours look miniscule. If the good Lord is willing and things don't get worse I should be able to travel quite a bit more in about 8 more years.

I also work closely with one of the better promoters in the country, plus have a lot of close friends who race. This allows me to see both sides of a situation and make reasonable, objective posts.

I speak with my head, not my heart. That's something that most message board posters should do once in awhile.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.