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Topic: Which is bigger and most profitable Sprint cars or Late Models?
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November 29, 2021 at
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Posted By: Al's Kid '67 on November 29 2021 at 08:50:28 AM
I'm in the Burke area. I've given up on Hagerstown; the drive isn't worth the quality of the show. I really miss the days when they had two divisions of late models and street stocks - all with good fields that produced good racing. I like the track at Winchester, but you have to work to find a good show on their schedule these days. My aging bones don't care for the concrete seats on the front stretch, either. As family schedules allow, I get Lincoln a few times a year and love it. I've haven't been to Georgetown, but it's on my list.
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I lived in Staunton, Va. from 1960-66 (early teens for me) & Eastside Speedway in Waynesboro was the best local track. Winchester was the closest rival & the top dog there was Bill Nalley, who occasionally would come down & beat our local hero, Smokey Stover.... see if you can find a copy of "Tales from the Track", by Steve Strosnider, about dirt racing in the Shenandoah Valley back in the day... maybe on the Net?
I went to Hagerstown once, during Pa. Speedweek, never again.... boring, follow the leader race. It might have been Larson's first try at Speedweek & he sucked (!!!!) driving somebody else's car from Pa. I think it was Keith Kaufman's last win. Then when I learned that Smokey had a serious, almost career ending injury there back in the 60s, that settled it.....
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November 29, 2021 at
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I wonder if Johnny Gibson could text Donnie Schatz and ask him what the ball park value of the two cars in question would be. Please....
Even though I may not know you, I
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December 01, 2021 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on November 23 2021 at 08:11:31 PM
Sprint cars are bigger at the front gate, they attract more fans than late models and have a far bigger geographic reach. But there are a lot fewer of them (cars themselves I mean) and their fans won't sit for a 12 division show so the back gate can't be used as it is in LM racing to pay a large purse (see the new XR series)
The other factor is the Lm drivers are a lot more independent than sprints. There's no way they would tolerate years of stagnant purses (see Ohio Speedweek) like the sprint car drivers do.
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Incorrect, we will run 2-3 classes total at most events in 2022 outside of the Bristol Dirt Nationals.
The key is streaming viewership. I'll let you folks chew on that.
Barry
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December 01, 2021 at
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Posted By: racexr on December 01 2021 at 02:12:37 PM
Incorrect, we will run 2-3 classes total at most events in 2022 outside of the Bristol Dirt Nationals.
The key is streaming viewership. I'll let you folks chew on that.
Barry
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I'm thinking most folks would be shocked if they knew the income streaming is bringing in. Your deal shows a lot. Flo's weeknight races show it. The bump in points fund for the WoO sprint shows it. What I don't really know is what percentage is from subscriptions and what is from advertising. That would be interesting. I have to believe advertising is a lot more than we might think.
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December 01, 2021 at
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on December 01 2021 at 02:24:44 PM
I'm thinking most folks would be shocked if they knew the income streaming is bringing in. Your deal shows a lot. Flo's weeknight races show it. The bump in points fund for the WoO sprint shows it. What I don't really know is what percentage is from subscriptions and what is from advertising. That would be interesting. I have to believe advertising is a lot more than we might think.
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Be careful------many Hosers feel there should be no money made by racing organizations or tracks. If they find out streaming services are making money, it might start a riot. Folks on here seem to want something for nothing.
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December 01, 2021 at
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Posted By: racexr on December 01 2021 at 02:12:37 PM
Incorrect, we will run 2-3 classes total at most events in 2022 outside of the Bristol Dirt Nationals.
The key is streaming viewership. I'll let you folks chew on that.
Barry
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Thanks Barry
Surely you should be able to give up some of that pit gate money ($200 per week pit passes; a stall fee?) if the streaming revenue is so large?
Also, sprint car viewership has got to be in the comparable, why not run a few sprint car shows if that's your model?
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I've long theorized the streaming money was much larger in late models - DirtonDirt existed as a standalone service for many years with much higher production value than anything sprints offered, and the value now of marquee LM events on Flo are still drastically superior than anything the sprints see.
Couple that in with both Flo doing their Racing Night in America (with Castrol sponsorship to boot) with what, a dozen races paying $20K+ to win and RaceXR putting an insane series in 2022 (20 races paying a minimum of $25K to win, four $50K series and within it an eight-night event at Bristol that pays $25K to win with a $100K points title), there is clearly quite a bit of revenue being generated.
It kind of breaks my mind - feel like the WoO Sprints would in theory have larger streaming audiences, and I guess it's possible they may. And yes, they have added to the series purse fund, but feels like a drop in the bucket to what the LMs have gained.
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on December 01 2021 at 06:32:26 PM
I've long theorized the streaming money was much larger in late models - DirtonDirt existed as a standalone service for many years with much higher production value than anything sprints offered, and the value now of marquee LM events on Flo are still drastically superior than anything the sprints see.
Couple that in with both Flo doing their Racing Night in America (with Castrol sponsorship to boot) with what, a dozen races paying $20K+ to win and RaceXR putting an insane series in 2022 (20 races paying a minimum of $25K to win, four $50K series and within it an eight-night event at Bristol that pays $25K to win with a $100K points title), there is clearly quite a bit of revenue being generated.
It kind of breaks my mind - feel like the WoO Sprints would in theory have larger streaming audiences, and I guess it's possible they may. And yes, they have added to the series purse fund, but feels like a drop in the bucket to what the LMs have gained.
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You can't tell me that it's much larger on the LM side than sprint cars. The reason I say that is because social media, fans in the stands, mainstream attention etc is at least equal, if not bigger for sprint cars.
The differences are, 1) the lm drivers won't show up for $6k to win and therefore force promoters to pay them a larger share and 2) lm promoters have a luxury that there is a bigger back gate at their events, whether it be a larger Lm field or the luxury of having several divisions support those shows in XRs case. There is no sprint fan in America that would want to sit through 4 divisions at a WoO or big sprint show.
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Ok, I'm not the biggest DLM fan but if you aren't folloing the saga of Tyler Carpenter, you need to.
And if you don't follow his baby mama on Instagram,...well, you should.
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December 03, 2021 at
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Lol. Yeah she is classy.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on December 01 2021 at 06:15:24 PM
Thanks Barry
Surely you should be able to give up some of that pit gate money ($200 per week pit passes; a stall fee?) if the streaming revenue is so large?
Also, sprint car viewership has got to be in the comparable, why not run a few sprint car shows if that's your model?
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"Surely you should be able to give up some of that pit gate money ($200 per week pit passes; a stall fee?) if the streaming revenue is so large? "
We are working on a number of models and events in 2022. Some have FREE Entry and Parking.
"Also, sprint car viewership has got to be in the comparable, why not run a few sprint car shows if that's your model?"
Working on it. Have had success with the Bandit Outlaw Sprint Series in Texas. Will try this concept in Las Vegas January 20-22, 2021. See where it goes from there.
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