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EasyE
February 18, 2018 at 01:43:21 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 18 2018 at 01:20:33 PM

A Couple things:

I'm not sure I'm following why it would cost Blaney or Kinser a lot to meet the weight. When wieght rules were started, I think those two may have benefitted some.

I don't hink Kinser's weight was the issue. I recall Joey Saldana saying something like "Oh man! If Kinser could beat us before, how are we going to keep up after we add another 50# to our car?". I'd be more inclined to believe getting older was a bigger factor.

I really wasn't asking what the magic number should be. Cubicdollars mentioned "a legitimate weight rule". I wondered what he or others thought that might entail. Blazer00 above talks about what he thinks it might entail without plugging a specific number.

What do you mean by "You make it too high and teams are going to have to spend a lot to get it down to weight or look for a smaller driver."?     too high................down to wieght...........huh?



Kinser stated his declining eyesight as the biggest factor in his decline of performance.



Murphy
February 18, 2018 at 01:56:39 PM
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Posted By: alum.427 on February 18 2018 at 01:35:14 PM

Understand Murphy. In using blaney and kinser I just picked 2 guys that are bigger than your normal sprint car driver . As for current weight according to woo rules I don't know what it is



   I understand that, but doesn't a minimum weight rule help the heavier driver?



Murphy
February 18, 2018 at 01:59:52 PM
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Posted By: EasyE on February 18 2018 at 01:43:21 PM

Kinser stated his declining eyesight as the biggest factor in his decline of performance.



     I recall seeing an interview on TV where Steve said he was running out of steam against younger guys that had more stamina on account of his being a lifelong smoker. He said at the end of a feature race he would be huffing and puffing with his tongue hanging out.



blazer00
February 18, 2018 at 03:35:17 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 18 2018 at 01:06:53 PM

   Are you thinking specific rules such as "front axle must be steel"? That sort of thing?



I'm not discounting rules such as that, but the experts woud determine the materials. That being said, a car could be buillt to specs to establish the required weight. Say 1250 pounds. If other lighter parts than those used on the spec car are approved for use, a car coming in at say 1225 pounds would have to carry an additional 25 pounds. Then, driver weight needs to be addressed, also. I think this would do two things......primarily it could cut costs. The second would be a more even playing field.



cubicdollars
February 21, 2018 at 04:21:42 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 18 2018 at 09:02:12 AM

     What would you say a "legitimate weight rule" would look like?



F1 has a 1630 lbs minimum weight. Sprint car minimum weight should at least be 1500 lbs for safety and cost. Weighing 100 lbs less than F1 is a good enough talking point. 200 is arrogant.

Not having a mandatory rear axle rule that lasts more than 30 races is a joke also.


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


richsound
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February 21, 2018 at 11:11:40 AM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 18 2018 at 01:56:39 PM

   I understand that, but doesn't a minimum weight rule help the heavier driver?



It does help even the field, but having a lighter driver and putting the weight where it does the most good is still an advanage.



GULF81
February 21, 2018 at 11:24:24 AM
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IVE SEEN WEIGHTS BOLTED TO THE REAR MOTOR PLATE 

 


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Murphy
February 21, 2018 at 10:06:11 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 21 2018 at 04:21:42 AM

F1 has a 1630 lbs minimum weight. Sprint car minimum weight should at least be 1500 lbs for safety and cost. Weighing 100 lbs less than F1 is a good enough talking point. 200 is arrogant.

Not having a mandatory rear axle rule that lasts more than 30 races is a joke also.



     I'm not mechanicaly minded. Other than mandate that the rear axle be a certain thickness of steel or some such, what can you do to the rules that would make it last 30 races?



MoOpenwheel
February 22, 2018 at 08:20:02 AM
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I haven't made it point to look for weight on WOO cars.  Anyone know about how many cars have weight bolted on?  



cubicdollars
February 22, 2018 at 06:18:52 PM
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Posted By: Murphy on February 21 2018 at 10:06:11 PM

     I'm not mechanicaly minded. Other than mandate that the rear axle be a certain thickness of steel or some such, what can you do to the rules that would make it last 30 races?



Just thickness period, outlawing 30 race ultralight axles.

 


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


MoOpenwheel
February 22, 2018 at 10:14:53 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on February 22 2018 at 06:18:52 PM

Just thickness period, outlawing 30 race ultralight axles.

 



We have put more than 30 nights on ultralight axles with no issues. 



straight shooter
February 23, 2018 at 01:11:23 PM
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If you choose to run ultralite you choose to abuse your body at sometime in your short racing career. I believe they have solved the axle issue as having seen far fewer break in the past few years. No need to make them heavier, the need is to make them less expensive.

 



racefanigan
February 23, 2018 at 02:43:58 PM
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Hell, if you choose to race you are choosing to abuse your body. It has no bearing on ultralite or standard weight. The rear end I had in my car in 2015 has a 6 year old ultralite axle in it that had likely close to 75 shows on it, mutliple chips in it, etc and never failed, put a new axle in it and havent ran it since. Have a friend who has his rears serviced at the same place, broke two brand new standard weight axles 2 weeks in a row. Its not a question of what you run, it just a question of when what you are running is going to fail.



cubicdollars
February 23, 2018 at 03:55:33 PM
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Everyone pretty much runs ultralight axles because they are a lot lighter. You have to. Flea markets are full of them. Doesn't change the fact that it is retarded to allow something that is so easy to police go on. Plus they are so worried about a front axle flying off they make people run tethers, yet they don't care about rear axles. Rear axles used to be so strong if you bent one you would just straighten it. 

http://youtu.be/bazJSO_cNps


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


RodinCanada
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March 28, 2018 at 02:15:09 AM
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I know a sprint car weighs 1400 pounds sitting still. With the down force of the wing, has anyone calculated what the cars "seems" to weigh at race speed. I know it still weighs the same. But if you could scale it at race speed what would the scale say?



HoldenCaulfield
March 28, 2018 at 04:28:07 PM
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Looking at a lot of the up and coming drivers and currently successful drivers in winged 410 racing, it seems to me that a lighter person in the cockpit is a definite advantage(Schatz being the exception). Could be coincidence I guess. 



Nickules
March 29, 2018 at 08:22:24 AM
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on March 28 2018 at 04:28:07 PM

Looking at a lot of the up and coming drivers and currently successful drivers in winged 410 racing, it seems to me that a lighter person in the cockpit is a definite advantage(Schatz being the exception). Could be coincidence I guess. 



Could be a couple things and would make for an interesting sports science or even anthropological study.  By up and comers I'm inclined to think you mean "younger" drivers, which as many of us know we were all a little more svelt in our younger days Smile  Couple in the advances in athlete nutrition and training and these kids were brought up as athletes where training, eating healthy etc were part of their everyday lives.  Being an athlete to younger kids entails the off the court or ice or or field or track training and nutrition.  It's second nature to the up and comers.  As far as the "older" successful drivers I think the training and nutrition part has also come into play with them as they see the next generation using techniques to become better athletes and they see these things work across all forms of athletic competition.  You mention Schatz and over the last few years he's slimmed down a lot and make a point of training and eating right.  He's built that into his repertoire as an athlete.  Good thought and point.





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