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revjimk
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Posted By: Shortie12 on June 26 2022 at 05:31:40 PM

Age makes a difference.There are several younger WOO regulars that will risk it for the bisquit which has not been his style at this point. Things clicked when Ricky was crewcheif but if thats the reason Rico should be winning. I wouldnt be at all surprised to see them pull of a big win on the  1/2 mile tracks but bullrings like Hussets is for the win it or wear it young guns like Sheldon. When Larson is able to compete it changes the equation as He is capable to win any time as points arent important and show up money doesnt make a difference. I still remember Schatz winning the Nationals from deep in the field !



  1. His reflexes might be OK, but testosterone declines by 1.6 % every year after 30. It takes a lot of balls to even race a sprint car, & even more to win, right? Why don't women win much?
  2. Not saying thats the reason, but its a possibility
  3. I have no idea where these numbers are coming from... I guess I hit the wrong key on my laptop somewhere..... anybody who understands these infernal contraptions, feel free to help!wink


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Posted By: revjimk on June 28 2022 at 03:10:37 PM

Thanks, that makes sense

When did he start with the "Ford"?.... I thought he's been running it 3 years



I think you will find out he started running the ford sometime in 2019.  I am pretty sure he started the year with a chevy and ended it with a ford.  If I remember right it was either late September or October of 2019.


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Posted By: revjimk on June 28 2022 at 03:10:37 PM

Thanks, that makes sense

When did he start with the "Ford"?.... I thought he's been running it 3 years



I believe 2020 was the first full year it was a "ford" motor. Tony went to Ford in cup beginning in the 2017 season and TSR cars all had Ford logos on them at that point then all of the monday morning race mechanics started crying that he had a Chevy engine and was advertising Ford, its false advertisement yada yada yada. He was still dominating 2017 and 2018.

Then 2019 came and the team changed, I believe Warner went from Crew Chief to trying to create the Ford engine along with Other changes. His performance did not really go down as much as Sweet's performance came up and a lot of people saw that coming towards the end of the 2018 season with Sweet winning the Nationals and getting more consistent. The thing was could he win more than Schatz. All in all I think it is all of those things rolled into one that accounts for Schatz not being as dominate as he was. Engine change I would say is probably a lower part of that but the team changing plus other teams coming up to that level and following that formula that TSR had with Warner and Schatz. You look at Sweet's crew basically together for about 5yrs now, Sheldon's I believe has been together for a few years, JJR crew wise has tried to keep things similar, Shark Racing, etc. The one thing that is the same watching Donny the past two years at Knoxville in August in person, that guy can still drive. Whatever the issue is, it is not him.




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Posted By: revjimk on June 28 2022 at 03:17:52 PM
  1. His reflexes might be OK, but testosterone declines by 1.6 % every year after 30. It takes a lot of balls to even race a sprint car, & even more to win, right? Why don't women win much?
  2. Not saying thats the reason, but its a possibility
  3. I have no idea where these numbers are coming from... I guess I hit the wrong key on my laptop somewhere..... anybody who understands these infernal contraptions, feel free to help!wink


That doesn't explain the 15 year old kid who won at Husets.  Probably still has peach fuzz and doesn't shave yet.  When I was a kid one of my favorite drivers was Buzz Barton who used to spend the summer up here with IMCA and in a supermodified at our local track.  Crew cut, cigar, big guy who could have fought his way to the pay window.  Now we have kids flocking into the sport all over the country.  The big balls thing dates back to those days of no roll cage.  It's kind of a dated cliche today in 2022. 


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Posted By: StanM on June 27 2022 at 08:03:24 PM

I just saw a notice on social that Danny Schatz passed away.  I had forgotten that he was sick and my thoughts and prayers go out to the family.  



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Posted By: BStrawser26 on June 28 2022 at 03:25:47 PM

I think you will find out he started running the ford sometime in 2019.  I am pretty sure he started the year with a chevy and ended it with a ford.  If I remember right it was either late September or October of 2019.



I think that's right.   When they first brought it out they were kind of switching back and forth for awhile. 




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Posted By: revjimk on June 26 2022 at 11:10:40 AM

I'm a Ford guy in "real life", but Schatz started downhill when he went with "Ford style" engine

I don't think he's old enough for that to be a factor... he should give the "Chevy style" another chance & see what happens. Seems to be lacking in top end speed... RPMs?



The rest of the field was definitely starting to catch up to Schatz before he switched to Ford.  Let's face it----------father time catches up with everyone at some point.  With sprint car drivers, it's earlier than with other professions.  I know Sammy and Kinser remained competitive for a long time, but the law of averages says most of these guys are going to lose a step or 2 much, much quicker.  

 

 



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Posted By: StanM on June 28 2022 at 06:10:46 PM

That doesn't explain the 15 year old kid who won at Husets.  Probably still has peach fuzz and doesn't shave yet.  When I was a kid one of my favorite drivers was Buzz Barton who used to spend the summer up here with IMCA and in a supermodified at our local track.  Crew cut, cigar, big guy who could have fought his way to the pay window.  Now we have kids flocking into the sport all over the country.  The big balls thing dates back to those days of no roll cage.  It's kind of a dated cliche today in 2022. 



I still think it takes "mucho cojones" to drive one even today, & even more to win

15 yr. olds have testosterone dripping out of their pores! Don't you remember???? wink



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Posted By: StanM on June 26 2022 at 02:36:45 PM

He runs a business up in Fargo and I hardly think that having a pilot's license would affect his racing.  To the contrary, I have a lot of respect for pilots after launching them off a carrier back in the 70's. 



Anybody know what he does for business that enables him to have a 9 person jet?  I do work for a local company that does over a Billion(yes Billion with a B) a year and their jet isn't even a 9 seater.  Has to be more than a truck stop.. 




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Posted By: mongooseman on June 29 2022 at 10:50:37 AM

Anybody know what he does for business that enables him to have a 9 person jet?  I do work for a local company that does over a Billion(yes Billion with a B) a year and their jet isn't even a 9 seater.  Has to be more than a truck stop.. 



Truck stop and real estate, just to name a few. and maybe he got a great deal on the jet when he bought it.


 

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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on June 27 2022 at 06:01:47 AM

Very simple, he's only been running the Ford full time a couple of years now.    As of 2015 he had won Knoxville 9 out of the last 10.   Then over the next three Nationals he only won once.   Brad first season championship was 2019.   All of that happened before Donny was running Ford.



From 2006-18, Schatz won 10 Outlaw titles, 10 Knoxville Nationals, 239 WoO features out of 947 attempts (25% success rate). Kinser type numbers. In 2019, he started to fall off a bit, 11 wins in 72 tries, and 2nd in points. That's when he started to fall off I don't remember when exactly the Ford debuted. 



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From 2006-18, Schatz won 10 Outlaw titles, 10 Knoxville Nationals, 239 WoO features out of 947 attempts (25% success rate). Kinser type numbers. In 2019, he started to fall off a bit, 11 wins in 72 tries, and 2nd in points. That's when he started to fall off I don't remember when exactly the Ford debuted. 



Ford debuted fall 2019 with schatz, I wanna say it was lakeside or few races before that. Points came down to the last night at charlotte. 


 


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Posted By: revjimk on June 29 2022 at 09:44:59 AM

I still think it takes "mucho cojones" to drive one even today, & even more to win

15 yr. olds have testosterone dripping out of their pores! Don't you remember???? wink



The only thing in my life experience that some might say required big gonads was launching planes on a carrier.  Got pelted with shrapnel when an F8 blew up half way down the cat track and watched the pilot go down in the fuselage.  Had a few other incidents where we lost people as well.  I don't consider myself to have been the macho type but they say it's considered one of the most dangerous occupation.  That kind of skews my opinion about these kinds of things.  They say that once you've worked on the flight deck every other job you'll ever have will never equal that kind of intensity.  I have never driven any kind of race car but standing behind a camera in turn one when 24 cars take the green gets kind of intense but nothing like the flight deck.  I think the balls thing is a cliche. 


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Danny and Diane Schatz were two of the smartest people in sprint car racing.  Long ago they got that big merchandise trailer, and for a reason.  Doesn't matter which track it was, they sold the most merechandise.  That has probably slid a little now.  But Donny Schatz is not done.  There is another or two championship titles left in that body.  Still the best driver out there. Absolutely.  Needs some more umph in that motor to get the wins.    

But, it has really gotten to be a "kids" series. Not being mean here.   Look at the top five in race after race--seems like so many young guys up front.    Macedo, Gravel, Haud Jr., Kofoid, Schuchart, and Sweet still in mid 30s, and a lot more "kids" on the way, and all of them seem to be toothpick thin with strong upper bodies.   Go out on the front straight after a race and look at the top three drivers.  All have pretty much the same body type.  5"9" and up, 130 to 140 pounds and they look like highschool kids.  

RIP to the king-maker.   He made it happen.  And what he made happen seems unbelievable, just a one in a thousand who have tried to do what he and his son did   The numbers his son put up will never die, they will go with and be with Danny into eternity..  We will lite a candle at church Firday nite for the kingmaker.    Again RIP.  


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Not a Ford fan, but Donny's motors have plenty of power.   He's hurting in other areas and may or may not have another championship in him.   




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We all need to remember 2 different life events

1. He went thru a split up/divorce 

2. then Danny got sick at the 2020 WoO banquet do you all remember how hard it was for him talking about his dad.

I do not care who you are 2 life events take a toll on your head and heart. Hopefully, now he can try and move on with life without the man that was by his side his whole life and find peace within, just maybe he goes out and starts kickin ass and doing this one for Dad Danny.


 

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I wonder if he will continue with racing since the lose of his father ? Business and family issues may force him to be closer to home. Only time will tell and no one can question that feeling of him not his father beside him.  



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The only thing in my life experience that some might say required big gonads was launching planes on a carrier.  Got pelted with shrapnel when an F8 blew up half way down the cat track and watched the pilot go down in the fuselage.  Had a few other incidents where we lost people as well.  I don't consider myself to have been the macho type but they say it's considered one of the most dangerous occupation.  That kind of skews my opinion about these kinds of things.  They say that once you've worked on the flight deck every other job you'll ever have will never equal that kind of intensity.  I have never driven any kind of race car but standing behind a camera in turn one when 24 cars take the green gets kind of intense but nothing like the flight deck.  I think the balls thing is a cliche. 



OK, so you think "balls" is a cliche. Nobody is questioning your courage!

Every sprint car driver has lots of guts, men & women alike. So you have 24 brave drivers & one of those
"racing things" comes up. One driver has to lift or they both wreck.... is it gonna be the driver with a bit more testosterone?

Which brings up the question of why women don't win very often... is it just numbers? Less women drivers= less wins?

Not that I can ever recall Schatz "chickening out"....

I think its a combination of factors. like most things in life. I started with the engine, loss of Warner & age are the others. Who knows?




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OK, so you think "balls" is a cliche. Nobody is questioning your courage!

Every sprint car driver has lots of guts, men & women alike. So you have 24 brave drivers & one of those
"racing things" comes up. One driver has to lift or they both wreck.... is it gonna be the driver with a bit more testosterone?

Which brings up the question of why women don't win very often... is it just numbers? Less women drivers= less wins?

Not that I can ever recall Schatz "chickening out"....

I think its a combination of factors. like most things in life. I started with the engine, loss of Warner & age are the others. Who knows?



My point is that in the 60's it took a tough character to drive without power steering or roll cage.  Today the safety has come so far that the emphasis is more on hand eye coordination than strength and bravado.  My experience working in a dangerous setting required reliance on knowing the job and paying attention to detail.  I'll always prefer putting my ass on the line knowing that the people around me are relying on knowlege and training more than bravado.  Same in Sprint Cars, those balls aren't going to communicat the necessary changes to the car.  Some would say it's all balls going into the first turn wide open.  I say it's knowing the car and proper setup that gives one the confidence.  True, any driver afraid of the possibilities will not be successful.  

I cringe when I hear some of the cliches.  There are some female drivers Midgets that are doing well and are getting some wins but I like drivers who have won a lot and many who have never won much it at all.  Winning isn't my yardstick as much as sportsmanship and being approachable and setting a good example for the kids.  


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Of course the modern guys aren't as "ballsy" (or crazy?) as the no roll cage era guys!

" knowlege and training more than bravado" ..... combination of both, right? Obviously Schatz hasn't lost his knowhow, so that brings it back to loss of Ricky Warner?

Or the engine?





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