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Is it that hard to figure out?

He would have loved to see him win.

He thinks it’s a great race to have on your resume as winning.

He thinks his team works hard.

And it would have been a little cash for the program.

Yup, YRB12 has it figured out precisely. Sorry a small typo has ruined your weekend. Can't wait til I reach the point of never making a mistake. But thanks for having 911 on the line for me just in case.

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

"Just because there is passing doesn't necessarily mean a competitive race"...I should have stopped reading right there as you obviously don't have a clue.  You'd rather see 2 guys going at it then passing in all 6 heat races, you're hopeless!  Since the Outlaws finished in positions 1, 2, 3, 4 5, and 6th I think you had the best cars going at it, Ray Charles gets more out of a race than you do!  The Jackson Nationals was set up on a points basis after the first two nights as is Knoxville, thanks for making my point, now please give your head a shake, you've obsiously lost the plot....Oh yeah, one last thing the Sweet and Schatz race was the most boring two features all week, if I remember correctly they started on the front row and that was it.  In case you are unaware (I'm pretty sure you're not) there are more than 2 cars in a race, wake up Dude....

There is a large difference between the Nationals format which is points based and the Royal format which is not. Theres no way for the 35th fastest qualifier to start on the pole of the Nationals. Possibly on the prelim night, but not for the biggest race of the year. 

As for using inverts for an 80 race schedule, it’s just not sustainable to consistently penalize the fast qualifier every night. Especially on tracks that are one grooved for the heat races.

I was comparing Knoxville and Jackson, not Eldora.  Eldora runs this as a one night format and Knoxville is a four, even you should know that.  The Outlaws used to invert 4 for every race not that long ago and it was a better deal, but I'm guessing the drivers didn't like it, hence the change.  Your points are not valid whatsoever, along with any attempt at logic you were trying to make, compare apples to apples, not apples to pineapples.....

There just ain't no racin in a heads-up heat race line-up. Simple as that. Might as well go get a hot dog.

I'd like to see more than one race for $50 tomorrow night at Lernerville but I'm pretty sure the feature is all I'm gonna get.

Royal format is pretty confusing, but judging from the results, it was perfection. Wish i could have been there!

Whoa big guy, triggered much?? I re-read my original post post and did not see anything where I called you an idiot or blind or a moron so I do not know who pissed in your cereal this morning. I just gave a counterpoint and my percepective of what I saw from my point of view and I'm hopeless? It's subjective to opinion and it is just that, opinion. I have no problem with someone else's opinion of full inverts but offering a counterpoint doesnt make someone blind, it just means they have a different opinon. Yes a driver going from 6th to 1st in 2 or 3 laps is exciting and great, but drivers battling for position for the entire feature is better. In my Opinion the past couple of years the Outlaw features have been great because of this. Yes you still get winners from the front row but we had that prior with the whole 16car invert. We have seen cars make adjustments throughout the night and still be able to move up through the field like Kraig Kinser & Brent Marks

Weren't the first two nights of the Jackson Nationals basically WoO shows? And the top drivers scoring points based on finish position in the 2 feature? I thought that the heats were lined up the same way as other Outlaw events? I could be wrong but I thought I remembered it like that. I was at Eldora 3 of 4 nights (had to go home friday, came back Saturday)and they were all great with all formats used. Trust me I did get more than Ray Charles did since he is dead, I also got more out of it than Stevie Wonder. I don't need to shake my head or wake up because I was wide awake when it was happening. I know there are more than 2 cars in a race, those were just examples because Rico & Larson were moving up through the field on Wednesday, Kraig Kinser was moving up on Thursday, and it seemed that Gravel, Schuhart, Schatz, and Sweet were all battling with each other at some point or another. Macedo was up there too battling. I am sorry that my opinion caused such a stirr with you though.

To me just because someone wins from the front row doesn't mean that it was a bad race as long as the lead is contested for. Same as I don't mind low scoring football games or hockey games. Some people need the score to be 56-54 in order for a game to be good or 5-4 in hockey and in some cases yes they are good. But in other cases it just means that the defense sucked. Its all about the circumstances that happen during the event. 

I had someone tell me the track sucked Thurs and Friday because there was no passing and Saturday it was great.The track was awesome all 4 days!!!! Its the WOO format that sucks!! If i wanna go to a parade, I will go to Macys on Thanksgiving! I go to a race to see racing, which equals passing! The Royal format is awesome and every WOO race should invert the heats by 6. THEY CAN pass if you make them!! 10 of the 18 transfer spots via the heats started between 4th and 7th, 2 more of those guys that were already locked into the A, Lynch and Harris, after Logan made it,  took an easy in the heats so they didnt jack their shit up so maybe have been 12 if those guys tried but i dont blame them, both small teams and 1st KR A Main starts, why not be safe. The start fastest on the pole and watch a parade in the heats is as boring as NASCAR. Eldora paid more for the C and B's  I am real certain it was $300 to start the C and $600 the B and $3000 the A

Life's short, race hard!!!

I do agree the WoO format isn’t the best. It puts so much importance on qualifying, and the heats end up very meh. I think the All-Stars have a great format inverting 4 and qualifying by heat group. I understand why the drivers prefer the outlaw format, and it’s probably the most “fair”, but entertainment wise All-Stars is better.

Last time I crunched numbers (a couple of months ago), we were within 2% (83% to 81%) of the number of heats won from the front row with no inversion versus a 4 inversion.  And there are more battles in the field with no inversion because each position means something for feature line up.  Yes, I'm the one that came up with the current format. And I still say the heats are BETTER straight up than they were inverted. 

There you go throwing out facts again. I believe one of the complaints with the old was someone could qualify 13-16, start on the pole, start in the top 4 after the dash, and win the feature without passing a car. Well you still had front row heat winners & front row feature winners. And in my Opinion the battles/contest for position is better and intense. Yes qualifying matters a lot as it should. This is entertainment but it's also a competition that people make a living with. With it because a competition qualifying should matter & set the tone. Drivers who qualify well should be rewarded for a good performance. The ones who don't have a way to make up for it by moving up in their heat race

I agree...

It's too bad guys still feel like they had to sandbag in qualifying because they don't feel like they can race to the front from the third row. I guarantee the winner of the KR doesn't qualify 18th on his qualifying night at Knoxville.

Sorry Nick, kind of jumped on with both feet, my bad,  but I simply hate the format of Fastest to the Front sooooo much, it has killed Heat racing with these guys.  The pole guy is often so far ahead he's not even in the picture, sometimes it's the outside row guy.  The other night I was razing hell in the chatroom because I said the front row were going to be 1 - 2 for all the dashes.  I was wrong but 10 of the 12 got there and for the night including all the features, the front row was the only place anyone started that won.  I also realize you can have a good race under those circumstances like the Jackson Nationals final this year but for the most part it is lousy.  I always refer back to my safe ground, USAC, where they invert 6 in every heat and you see heat races that have a lot of passing every night......

LOL at these sour grapes. I'd say the 49 had no problem racing from the third row to the front and has a $175K check to show for it. 

I do agree sandbagging is real (Sweet 18th, Gravel 38th) but it’s strategy that the stupid Royal format allows. 

Its also irrelevant because your boy (Schatz) was Passed in the A Main by the guy youre criticizing.

Or maybe the car count comparison had something to do with Ohio having a huge local car count to draw from compared to what Quiring has. Or the fact that the KR has a long storied history and the new Jackson Motorplex is just getting established. Regardless there's no reason to piss on anybodys parade. Eldora is doing fine, the KR is doing fine and TQ is doing what is neccessary to get the Jackson facility to where he wants it and that is a high standard in his book. And already after just a few short years Jackson Motorplex is doing fine in remaking the area racing a success.