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wasen't shaver the builder of casey luna's ford engines?

Where does the 15 team keep shop?

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

Short reply, yes.

Worth repeating

Spend it if ya got it but they'll have more in one Ford motor than the 69K has in the entire operation.

With all due respect to those fancy teams, the 69K is just good for the soul !!!!  

I can not see FORD spending all the money on R  &  D just for TSR.  I would guess anyone can buy the engine if they have the money.  The more people that have Ford engines the better chance of winning features and the better Ford Motor Co. will look.  This might also spill over into dirt stock car racing.

A) New crew chief.... if it ain't broke, don't fix it. If I was another WoO team, I;d be happy about it, gives them a better chance. We'll see....

B) Ford engine....  despite bring kind of a "Ford guy", I'll believe it when I see it. Haven't seen it yet

Like you I was under the impression that Schatz was working on this project only but come to find out Andy Durham which builds a ton of the Dirt late model Engines especially Ford’s is doing a lot of the work. This was posted on TSR Faceboo. 

So Schatz's Ford "is coming"?  This post (2nd or 3rd post under this topi)  implies its coming in 2019.  Hell they havn't tested it yet..  It is still being built.  He says "its in Speed Sport".  yes there was a short two paragraph story on Schatz.  Line one of the two paragraphs said, "Donny Schatz believes stopping the double-file restarts would go a long way toward making sprint car racing safer".  Not the first to have made that comment, not the 10th either.  

Line two of the short paragraph said, "Schatz said he will not use the Ford engine until it is proven to him that it can run for the WoO championship".  Finally, and I've said it before, Schatz will be using a spec engine or a reduced HP engine, possibly an LS version, long before the Ford engine is done.  Maybe he'll be running a Kia or Porsche engine before he runs a blue oval.  BUT, Ford will have accomplished what they wanted to accomplish in sprint car racing, tell 70% of the fans in the stands over these many years that Donny has Ford power under the hood, what with all the blue oval sheet metal covering that Chevy engine year after year.  

And hell, Shaver has not yet finished building the engine. And once built, testing alone could last for a year or more.  Test, work on it, test, work on it, test, work on it, etc.  With all the cost of renting a track this engine will cost, they might well buy a track as so many have folded.  Then at the same time Shaver is building the Ford, he is building his Chevy engines at the same time, and increasing HP in them again this year as he has every year he's built them for his customers.  All the other engine builders are doing the same, working once again in the off season to add 10 or 12 HP to the tried and true bowtie engines.  Of course all IMHO!

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

Not even close. You guys act like Krietz has a bunch of second hand junk. They own a parts business for christ sake. The only thing they save on is motor build cost because of Davey. They still have brand new parts. Just because they have a custom/homemade trailer and stick close to pa , doesn't mean they don't have the same parts as an outlaw team. Are they funded to run the Outlaw tour? No. But do they have the same equipment as the top teams? Yes. Stop living in a fantasy world. 

That is why with everything you have said, and the way he ran the last 1/2 of 2018, I predict Logan to break out with a possible 3rd or 4th place in the points in 2019. 

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Sure can't deny your logic. The only thing that seems to be holding back the 1s remains those hard luck nights and the nights they just don't seem to hit the set up. Otherwise they are definately getting faster and becoming more of a threat to the top five. A third place finish would be a win-win for a team running what is considered a poor man's budget compared to nearly all of the other WoO teams. It would just go to show that a team can be successful through hard work, dedication  and talent, verses simply having a huge budget. 

Agree on all points

It is our opinion, the LS combination as an open motor in 410 competition is still years away from catching on. First and foremost the

LS engine block weighs more, and in an environment which weight is crucial, this makes the LS platform a hard sell to most teams.

The second problem is no one has yet to develop an LS head with a raised inlet port to match that of the 13 and 10 degree

conventional heads available from All Pro, Shaut, and Brodix. We applaud those developing an open LS program, and maybe

someday we too will be involved in such a project, but until this platform finds success on a big stage, we don't see it being

advantageous in this type of racing. Look at the Ford engine in ASCS competition, there were a handful built before Roush Yates

picked up the program, but never with any major success. Look at the Ford platform now in that class, it has fallen out of style, and

isn't having the success it was at one point, and don't say it's because of the cost, because we could build a Ford motor for the

same money as a Chevrolet because it's all aftermarket parts.

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That the LS engine block weighs more is not that big of problem looking at the big picture. So they have to make adjustments to the car. Thats a good thing. The added weight is the same for everyone. In fact, it's my opinion as a fan that the super fast light weight cars with the 900 hp engines is what has ruined the racing aspect of big time sprint car racing. No one can tell me we weren't entertained by the racing back in the '80's and '90's before the costs sky rocketed. One example of that was watching the fastest drivers at the Nationals run first or second in their heat races from the fifth row, vs watching the fastest guys struggle to even make a qualifying spot today from the fourth row. Some folks now think they should just invert three rows. WTF! Ruin the racing even more?! I think turning back the page is what is needed. That would also make all of the safety advances over the last twenty or so years even more effective.