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larsonfan
August 16, 2018 at 07:04:10 PM
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Just for fun....Say Kasey Kahne runs a third KKR car on the entire 2019 WoO tour. Where does he finish in points at the end of the season? How many wins?

I'm going with top 5 in points, 5 wins.




RodinCanada
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August 16, 2018 at 07:15:13 PM
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Between 5 and 10 in points 2 wins. He doesnt seem to contend in the races he drives now from the few times I have noticed his placings.


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dsc1600
August 16, 2018 at 07:46:18 PM
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No way he’s 5th in points. Assuming everyone was back from this year he’d probably be 9th or 10th. 




EasyE
August 16, 2018 at 07:54:15 PM
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No higher than 6th in points. No wins. Hard truth.



larsonfan
August 16, 2018 at 09:15:46 PM
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Kasey gettin no love on Hoseheads!



revjimk
August 16, 2018 at 11:14:48 PM
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Posted By: larsonfan on August 16 2018 at 09:15:46 PM

Kasey gettin no love on Hoseheads!



Its not about "love". He's just not very competitive on dirt

Probably a wonderful guy, but I don't know, never met him....




blazer00
August 17, 2018 at 12:19:18 AM
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Posted By: revjimk on August 16 2018 at 11:14:48 PM

Its not about "love". He's just not very competitive on dirt

Probably a wonderful guy, but I don't know, never met him....



There was a time when he was competitive on dirt. Watched him come in from WA at age 17 (if I remember right) and beat Terry McCarl at Husets first time there.  Hell of a race.  So his real time on dirt was Demming Speedway and Skagit in WA. He got hooked up with USAC at a young age and went to Busch around 2001-2002 when he was only 21 or 22. So, he really didn't have the time to really develop fully as a dirt sprint car star. But he's still young, and for guys like him I think it's like riding a bike. If he gets back in to it in a committed way and puts the time in, I think he'll do just fine. But it won't happen overnight. I'd say at least a full season maybe season and a half, and he'll be a threat to win races.



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August 17, 2018 at 01:08:22 AM
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 17 2018 at 12:19:18 AM

There was a time when he was competitive on dirt. Watched him come in from WA at age 17 (if I remember right) and beat Terry McCarl at Husets first time there.  Hell of a race.  So his real time on dirt was Demming Speedway and Skagit in WA. He got hooked up with USAC at a young age and went to Busch around 2001-2002 when he was only 21 or 22. So, he really didn't have the time to really develop fully as a dirt sprint car star. But he's still young, and for guys like him I think it's like riding a bike. If he gets back in to it in a committed way and puts the time in, I think he'll do just fine. But it won't happen overnight. I'd say at least a full season maybe season and a half, and he'll be a threat to win races.



I remember that night.  Only because I wasn't there lol.  I remember Terry McCarl never losing there and when I was asked if I wanted to go to the races that night, I skipped it.  However I remember my sister and step dad coming home all excited to tell me how some young kid from WA beat McCarl, not only that but passing him for the win.  I wasn't there but I thought they said he bounced it off the wall a few times too.  That's the only race I regret missing for the aspect of missing the actual race.

As far as his actual performance on dirt?  Outside of his first couple years in NASCAR, I can't say he's ever impressed me in any racecar.  I'm not trying to knock him but he just seems to have lost his desire.  Add to the fact it's not like he's racing for a ride or even to keep the one he'd be in.  I think he's wise to hang it up.

My opinion doesn't mean I don't respect him.  He moved up the ranks fast so he didn't have time to become the dominant driver in any other series.  Then you had the mess that Evernham turned into, after that, things didn't work out at Hendrick (and he's not the first great racecar driver to have that happen).  It's hard for me to wonder why he would put himself through the grind of a WOO season when, I'm sure he's set for life financially, he has a family at home that sounds like is becoming more important.

As for the original question.  I think somewhere in the bottom 2/3 of the full time WOO racers.



saphead
August 17, 2018 at 06:39:09 AM
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He ran 5th at the 2002 Kings Royal in the Durst #51 car. If he did it every week he could be pretty good again. 

 

 




SAF92
August 17, 2018 at 06:55:52 AM
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I'm sure he'd become more competitive the more he was able to run a sprint car. But I still don't see him winning more than 1 or 2 races if he were to run fulltime WoO in 2019.



revjimk
August 17, 2018 at 01:48:18 PM
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There was a time when he was competitive on dirt. Watched him come in from WA at age 17 (if I remember right) and beat Terry McCarl at Husets first time there.  Hell of a race.  So his real time on dirt was Demming Speedway and Skagit in WA. He got hooked up with USAC at a young age and went to Busch around 2001-2002 when he was only 21 or 22. So, he really didn't have the time to really develop fully as a dirt sprint car star. But he's still young, and for guys like him I think it's like riding a bike. If he gets back in to it in a committed way and puts the time in, I think he'll do just fine. But it won't happen overnight. I'd say at least a full season maybe season and a half, and he'll be a threat to win races.



That makes sense, I doubt if he would have gotten into NASCAR without doing well first in sprints. I wasn't following sprint cars back then.

My comment was based on the last 9 years when I've been following the sport. He hasn't been especially impressive in that time



blazer00
August 17, 2018 at 02:40:34 PM
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That makes sense, I doubt if he would have gotten into NASCAR without doing well first in sprints. I wasn't following sprint cars back then.

My comment was based on the last 9 years when I've been following the sport. He hasn't been especially impressive in that time



I sometimes wonder when these young guys advance to levels like NASCAR, if they don't maybe leave some or all of their passion for racing behind. Of course they still want to win, and early on they may have still carried the passion with them. But I've always wondered if the sprint car guys still had their hearts in it. I know Wolfgang had a chance, and he recognized right away that it wasn't for him.....too much sponsor baby sitting and too much press corps. He always joked that he "couldn't drive them things worth a shit anyhow".........but the truth was twofold.....he didn't want to start a new career, and he loved driving sprint cars. Maybe Kasey will find his passion again. Hope so.  He hasn't looked that happy in the NASCAR deal for quite some time, imo.




RodinCanada
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October 25, 2018 at 10:44:07 PM
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I noticed the Dream paid $100,000 to win a 100 lap race and then thought what if it paid $1000 per lap led and nothing to win. Or in Sprints instead of $20,000 or $30,000 to win a 40 or 50 lap special event they paid $500 per lap. You would still need money through the field but without analyzing it to death, would drivers try to go to the front sooner and harder instead of pace themselves and try to overtake 1st on the last lap or 2. Would it create more hammer down getter done now racing? Just asking for fun.


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champphotos
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October 26, 2018 at 07:33:03 AM
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Ian Madson has 2 career WoO wins. Yet to park one this year. Why do we think Kahne could do it only running 10-15 shows a year for the last 10 years?

DA



dsc1600
October 26, 2018 at 08:50:07 AM
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So Jason Sides is 12th in points (out of 13 full timers) with zero wins and zero top 5’s. How’s Stewart getting to 6th running like that? Schuchart is currently 6th with 2 wins and 22 top 5s, no way Kahne or Stewart come close to that.




dsc1600
October 26, 2018 at 08:51:59 AM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on October 25 2018 at 10:44:07 PM

I noticed the Dream paid $100,000 to win a 100 lap race and then thought what if it paid $1000 per lap led and nothing to win. Or in Sprints instead of $20,000 or $30,000 to win a 40 or 50 lap special event they paid $500 per lap. You would still need money through the field but without analyzing it to death, would drivers try to go to the front sooner and harder instead of pace themselves and try to overtake 1st on the last lap or 2. Would it create more hammer down getter done now racing? Just asking for fun.



As an Earl Baltes type gimmick race it’s not a bad idea actually. 



EasyE
October 26, 2018 at 09:33:48 AM
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I'd almost be inclined to swap Logan with haud in your second group logan is up front alot. Haud started hot but fizzled out in late spring



SpcJay
October 26, 2018 at 09:38:12 AM
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Kasey was in a way “discovered” after coming into Central PA and beating the PA Posse on opening day at Williams Grive in a plain white unsponsored 23. It wasn’t long after that that he was running Busch cars for Robert Yates. I know he has quite the accolades, but I believe Kasey has said that was kind of the moment people really took notice 




EasyE
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Logan has won $188,000 this year and Haud has won $172,650. Logan has tore up less equipment. Which would you rather have as a car owner? 



SAF92
October 26, 2018 at 12:12:16 PM
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Depends what kind of car owner you are...

To date in 2018, Logan has "out-pursed" Sheldon 188k to 172k. With that Logans owner might be happier with the additional purse money and point fund money (if he stays ahead of Haud these last two weekends).

While Ricky Stenhouse might value those 5 wins as putting the car in victory lane might make it easier to attract and maintain a top notch sponsor.





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