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nzsprint
August 12, 2018 at 11:21:09 PM
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After a fantastic Nationals weekend, one of the things I noticed was how many great young drivers are establishing themselves as current and future stars of our great sport.

For all the doom and gloom around rising running costs, stagnant purses, car counts and worry about how to sell tickets when Steve and Sammy (semi) retired, the sport has so many positive things happening too. Great talents behind the wheel, many great teams and great stories to follow. It's not just the young guns that are exciting either, its the blend of young guns mixed in with the old guard. Guys like the Madsens, Shaffer, Kemenah, Schatz, Tim Kaeding, etc etc guys who have been there, won that.

We need the industry leaders to continue to work on improving car and track safety as the top priority (my opinion), and get more serious about addressing rising costs to get the family/low budget teams back on track.

Its an exciting time to be a Sprintcar fan.




RodinCanada
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August 13, 2018 at 12:19:35 AM
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I agree there are many young drivers coming up and many more who were not represented at Kville. However we need to realize Kville is that special place were everyone with the passion skill and finances come together for 1 week then drive away in 40 different directions to spend the majority of the next 51 weeks with others of lower skill less passion and restricted budgets. A successful Nationals with representation from around the continent does not truly indicate the state of the union. I'm not trying to be negative but just realistic. Those skilled guys with the option of traveling may keep the Ascoc and WoO supplied with enough drivers to continue but the sport needs sustainability at the local track every weekend of the summer. I am also excited about the young and upcoming drivers but costs need to stay affordable and schedules need to stay managable.

At Kville the top small percentage of cars register and then only 25% of those make the race we typically refer to as the nationals even though it is a 4 day event with many races and victories and personal achievements.

Looking at the top 24 cars in the country doesnt give a true overview of the factual state of racing.

That being said every driver in the A main is somewhat of a household name in my home except for Matt Juhl. I have seen his name before but didnt realize he was "one of the contenders" . Good for him.

Is there anyone who can calculate or estimate the average ago of the drivers in the A main this past Saturday?


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x83fan
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August 13, 2018 at 04:52:43 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on August 13 2018 at 12:19:35 AM

I agree there are many young drivers coming up and many more who were not represented at Kville. However we need to realize Kville is that special place were everyone with the passion skill and finances come together for 1 week then drive away in 40 different directions to spend the majority of the next 51 weeks with others of lower skill less passion and restricted budgets. A successful Nationals with representation from around the continent does not truly indicate the state of the union. I'm not trying to be negative but just realistic. Those skilled guys with the option of traveling may keep the Ascoc and WoO supplied with enough drivers to continue but the sport needs sustainability at the local track every weekend of the summer. I am also excited about the young and upcoming drivers but costs need to stay affordable and schedules need to stay managable.

At Kville the top small percentage of cars register and then only 25% of those make the race we typically refer to as the nationals even though it is a 4 day event with many races and victories and personal achievements.

Looking at the top 24 cars in the country doesnt give a true overview of the factual state of racing.

That being said every driver in the A main is somewhat of a household name in my home except for Matt Juhl. I have seen his name before but didnt realize he was "one of the contenders" . Good for him.

Is there anyone who can calculate or estimate the average ago of the drivers in the A main this past Saturday?



an educated rough estimate 31 years old




Dryslick Willie
August 13, 2018 at 05:33:45 PM
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Posted By: nzsprint on August 12 2018 at 11:21:09 PM

After a fantastic Nationals weekend, one of the things I noticed was how many great young drivers are establishing themselves as current and future stars of our great sport.

For all the doom and gloom around rising running costs, stagnant purses, car counts and worry about how to sell tickets when Steve and Sammy (semi) retired, the sport has so many positive things happening too. Great talents behind the wheel, many great teams and great stories to follow. It's not just the young guns that are exciting either, its the blend of young guns mixed in with the old guard. Guys like the Madsens, Shaffer, Kemenah, Schatz, Tim Kaeding, etc etc guys who have been there, won that.

We need the industry leaders to continue to work on improving car and track safety as the top priority (my opinion), and get more serious about addressing rising costs to get the family/low budget teams back on track.

Its an exciting time to be a Sprintcar fan.



I would compare it to NASCAR when Earnhardt died and so many people thought it was over for NASCAR.   I never thought that, but then again people need to realize that one man is not bigger than the sport itself.    If a sport dies because one man dies or retires, then you didn't have much of a sport to begin with.   



dirtlover
August 13, 2018 at 08:40:11 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on August 13 2018 at 05:33:45 PM

I would compare it to NASCAR when Earnhardt died and so many people thought it was over for NASCAR.   I never thought that, but then again people need to realize that one man is not bigger than the sport itself.    If a sport dies because one man dies or retires, then you didn't have much of a sport to begin with.   



If it's not over for napcar then how do you explain the brian france issue? Or that they cant fill grandstands?tv ratings are in the toilet and yet if it's not over it is definately crumbling right in front of our eyes just saying what I see. Is it for sale like the rumors I hear and that disney may buy them? You seen what disney did to star wars right? Trashed it 



Dryslick Willie
August 13, 2018 at 09:03:41 PM
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Posted By: dirtlover on August 13 2018 at 08:40:11 PM

If it's not over for napcar then how do you explain the brian france issue? Or that they cant fill grandstands?tv ratings are in the toilet and yet if it's not over it is definately crumbling right in front of our eyes just saying what I see. Is it for sale like the rumors I hear and that disney may buy them? You seen what disney did to star wars right? Trashed it 



I wasn't comparing it to the current state of NASCAR, I was comparing it to 2001 when Earnhardt died.   That being said, NASCAR still isn't going anywhere.   If it gets sold then we'll see what happens.    All forms of racing took a downturn with the economic problems back 10 years ago.   In some venues, the crowds have returned to a degree as the economy has rebounded.    




egras
August 13, 2018 at 10:08:05 PM
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Posted By: dirtlover on August 13 2018 at 08:40:11 PM

If it's not over for napcar then how do you explain the brian france issue? Or that they cant fill grandstands?tv ratings are in the toilet and yet if it's not over it is definately crumbling right in front of our eyes just saying what I see. Is it for sale like the rumors I hear and that disney may buy them? You seen what disney did to star wars right? Trashed it 



Wait a second................................................I liked the last 3 Star Wars.  Smile

 

 



dsc1600
August 13, 2018 at 11:09:15 PM
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The World of Outlaws have created a brand that can pretty much withstand anything. Even if Schatz decided tomorrow to go late model racing I think they’d be fine. 

Really though, it’s probably always been more about brand than any one driver, because if Steve and Sammy alone could have made that much of a difference, wouldn’t we be talking about a USA or NST as the elite group and not the WOO?



kooks
August 15, 2018 at 07:52:10 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on August 13 2018 at 11:09:15 PM

The World of Outlaws have created a brand that can pretty much withstand anything. Even if Schatz decided tomorrow to go late model racing I think they’d be fine. 

Really though, it’s probably always been more about brand than any one driver, because if Steve and Sammy alone could have made that much of a difference, wouldn’t we be talking about a USA or NST as the elite group and not the WOO?



If not for Fred Brownfields tragic death we might be talking about the NST as the premier group right now.

At that time the WoO was vulnerable.      Their slogan was being used to mock them on these boards.

 

Anyone remember "You wanted the best, you got the rest."?




fiXXXer
August 15, 2018 at 10:17:12 AM
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Posted By: kooks on August 15 2018 at 07:52:10 AM

If not for Fred Brownfields tragic death we might be talking about the NST as the premier group right now.

At that time the WoO was vulnerable.      Their slogan was being used to mock them on these boards.

 

Anyone remember "You wanted the best, you got the rest."?



I remember it well and in my opinion, I think you're right about that. At the time, it sure seemed as though the NST had all the momentum. Granted, the WoO certainly had history and brand recognition on their side so who knows but things definitely changed quickly after Fred Brownfield passed away. 



sprintfanatic
August 15, 2018 at 12:52:44 PM
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Posted By: kooks on August 15 2018 at 07:52:10 AM

If not for Fred Brownfields tragic death we might be talking about the NST as the premier group right now.

At that time the WoO was vulnerable.      Their slogan was being used to mock them on these boards.

 

Anyone remember "You wanted the best, you got the rest."?



False!  NST was destined to fail, Brownfield or no Brownfield.  



nzsprint
August 15, 2018 at 04:43:18 PM
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Posted By: sprintfanatic on August 15 2018 at 12:52:44 PM

False!  NST was destined to fail, Brownfield or no Brownfield.  



Did the NST force the WoO to step up their promotion and treatment of drivers/teams? If yes, then the NST was far from a failure. Sometimes big orgs that think they are the only show in town need to be shown they arent a monopoly so they treat the fans, teams and drivers better. A little revolution every now and then is essential to keeping the balance of teams vs series owner equal. Much like Govt Control vs People's freedom but lets not go too far off topic. Just a comparison.


fiXXXer
August 15, 2018 at 05:29:36 PM
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Posted By: nzsprint on August 15 2018 at 04:43:18 PM
Did the NST force the WoO to step up their promotion and treatment of drivers/teams? If yes, then the NST was far from a failure. Sometimes big orgs that think they are the only show in town need to be shown they arent a monopoly so they treat the fans, teams and drivers better. A little revolution every now and then is essential to keeping the balance of teams vs series owner equal. Much like Govt Control vs People's freedom but lets not go too far off topic. Just a comparison.


Totally agree. I think the NST deal lit a much needed fire under the ass of the WoO and we have that to thank in large part for them becoming what they are today.



StanM
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August 16, 2018 at 11:13:22 AM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on August 13 2018 at 05:33:45 PM

I would compare it to NASCAR when Earnhardt died and so many people thought it was over for NASCAR.   I never thought that, but then again people need to realize that one man is not bigger than the sport itself.    If a sport dies because one man dies or retires, then you didn't have much of a sport to begin with.   



I was going to Sprint Car races for 18 years before the Outlaws started and didn't see one of their races until around 1983.  Now what has it been, two or three years since Steve's last upper Midwest WoO swing and Sammy seems to finally be winding things down.  The big three and the Outlaws weren't there in the beginning and won't be there at the end of my spectating.  For years I missed the drivers and cageless cars of the 60s that were my introduction to the sport.

Time moves on and nothing stays the same.  The sport is bigger than any individual.


Stan Meissner



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