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Topic: My Take On The Whole Form Of Motorsports (Dan Wheldon Aftermath)
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October 18, 2011 at
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I am just working on ideas to save lives in racing. Its not when Dan got on the brakes it was the cars up ahead. If we can help any way warning up ahead whats going on it can only help!! The speeds are what shorten up the room for reaction!!
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: mdr4774 on October 18 2011 at 08:21:23 PM
I am sorry if Formula 1 does not have brake lights I seen the flashing lights and I assumed they had brake lights. Now tell me why for safety reasons they dont have brake lights??? What would hinder any driver if they had brake lights is my question?????????
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Cars doing 35 mph on our streets have brake lights and it doesn't stop someone from running into you....
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October 18, 2011 at
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There is to many ifs but the bottom line is how can we prevent this from ever happening again!! The sky is the limit!!
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: Hawker on October 18 2011 at 08:34:14 PM
Cars doing 35 mph on our streets have brake lights and it doesn't stop someone from running into you....
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Brake lights are cheap,,,,lives are precious,,,,thats my point. Give me 1 reason why brake lights are not worth it.
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October 18, 2011 at
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From today's USA Today - Wheldon charged from 34th to 24th during the first 10 laps of the race before the fatal crash, but Eddie Gossage, president of Texas Motor Speedway, said the bonus had nothing to do with what happened. "Great drivers are trying to do anything they can to win and are no more motivated by $5 million than a Popsicle," Gossage said.
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: mdr4774 on October 18 2011 at 08:41:16 PM
Brake lights are cheap,,,,lives are precious,,,,thats my point. Give me 1 reason why brake lights are not worth it.
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I just did....They don't prevent wrecks at 35mph and they're not going to prevent them at 200mph. Lights on the steering wheel tied to the track caution lights have been proven to work better. It's racing, it's always been dangerous and it always will be dangerous.
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October 18, 2011 at
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Try taking brake lights on all the cars on the road and see how that works!!!
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October 18, 2011 at
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If you dont pay no attention to brake lights ahead of you tell us your secret at 200 mph pal. You are gifted. And tell me again why no brake lights are needed on our roads!
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: Hawker on October 18 2011 at 08:48:47 PM
I just did....They don't prevent wrecks at 35mph and they're not going to prevent them at 200mph. Lights on the steering wheel tied to the track caution lights have been proven to work better. It's racing, it's always been dangerous and it always will be dangerous.
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Brake lights dont prevent wrecks at 35 mph,,,,,what you smoking and where you get your data???
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: mdr4774 on October 18 2011 at 08:55:20 PM
If you dont pay no attention to brake lights ahead of you tell us your secret at 200 mph pal. You are gifted. And tell me again why no brake lights are needed on our roads!
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You reactions times are just a LITTLE bit better at 35, 55 or 75mph than they are at 225mph. I don't concentrate on brake lights on the highway at 75mph. Do you really think that a race driver would be watching what's RIGHT in front of him (brake light) while traveling at 200+ mph? Or looking a little further down the track? BTW, I have 34 years of accident free driving in everything from motorcycles, to the family grocery getter, to a semi weighing 40 tons running coast to coast. Oh......The "T" Model didn't have brake lights.... :o
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: mdr4774 on October 18 2011 at 08:58:23 PM
Brake lights dont prevent wrecks at 35 mph,,,,,what you smoking and where you get your data???
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No, they don't. They didn't prevent them when there was one brake light on cars, they didn't when there were only two and they don't now with three....Rear end accidents STILL happen.......PAL.....
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October 18, 2011 at
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you show me a brake light on a race car and ill show you a crew chief with a toggle switch so the drivers behind his car thinks hes on the brakes and not going in so deep . until they figure out the the car in front of them is walking away. hehehe. and we all know they would try it . or a switch to turn the light off so the car behind will go in to hot .
We need more sprint car racing at our home track.
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October 18, 2011 at
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October 18, 2011 at
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Most of you at one point probably already saw this video... but as far as catch fences, I don't think you could have built one high enough in this case. It's a good thing this wasn't a WoO show with a packed house or this would've been bad....very bad. I don't think a person could have survived a direct hit from an entire front axle assembly sitting in about the 4th or 5th row.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6aef2M5uEo&feature=player_detailpage
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On the broadcast, Scott Goodyear or Eddie Cheever said that at those speeds they were running a driver is looking about 300 yards ahead of them as they cover 100 yards in a second or less. So if they look that far ahead, I wouldn't think they would be looking for brake lights. I don't have a reason for no brake lights though.
when the green flag drops, the bullshit stops!
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October 18, 2011 at
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Cube,... Yep. Sad but true. Was like an Osky front row challenge. He took the chance to start in the back, for 5 million. 33rd to 24th in 10 laps.
and brake lights wouldn't do $**T! Yeah, I understand the argument. However, on alot of tracks and with some drivers, red lights would be going off like crazy all over the place. I'd say most drivers are trained to see motion and distance. Have you ever caught yourself just waiting for the persons break light to flash on, in rush hour? Yet, you really weren't looking too much around your car?
I personally think break lights would only cause more accidents at 200mph, in close nose to tail racing. Though I have no merit. It would have to be a tested IN ACTION theory to go either way.
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: Hawker on October 18 2011 at 08:34:14 PM
Cars doing 35 mph on our streets have brake lights and it doesn't stop someone from running into you....
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Maybe it does not stop someone from running into you ,what it does do is warn the driver behind to slow down which in turn lessons the impact .Brake
lights on cars doing that speed and racing that close may actually have the opposite effect and be more dangerous as constantly seeing red lights may unsettle drivers into making mistakes.Cap the speed to a max speed of say 180mph and limit the field .
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Posted By: Hawker on October 18 2011 at 04:49:02 PM
The point I was trying to make with the TMS deal is the fact that when a 3800# NAPCAR gets out of control on a high banked oval, 9 chances out of 10, the car hits the wall and bounces off, not so much with the Indy cars, especially when they climb a tire. Like I posted on another MB,the first car to enter the stands at 225+ mph will make everyone outside of racing forget about the Reno Air Race crash. It's time to do what I've said all along what would make all forms of roundy round racing better (and safer). Give them ALL the horsepower they want, but take away the aero and make them use the "other" pedal in their car. They should also do like F1 and institute a "107% rule", meaning that everyone has to qualify within 107% of the fastest time set during qualifying, or you don't race. That keeps the "field fillers out". That will separate the great drivers from the good drivers and spread out the pack. JMO...
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Hawker, your post made think about Tony Renna's fatal crash during a 2003 tire test at Indy. I don't say this to be morbid at all, and supposedly no pictures or video of the crash exists -- at least none that have ever surfaced. But from everything I have ever read about that crash, Renna 's fatal crash at Indy may have been the worst single car crash ever -- even worse than Gordon Smiley at Indy, if that is possible., There are a number of conflicting reports regarding the details of Renna's accident, and I don't want to be overly gruesome, But major pieces of the car supposedly damaged the bottom couple rows of the grandstands. From everything I have ever read, Indy (and maybe even racing as a whole in this country) would have probably been changed forever if that crash had happened during the 500.
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Posted By: singlefile on October 18 2011 at 11:56:58 PM
Hawker, your post made think about Tony Renna's fatal crash during a 2003 tire test at Indy. I don't say this to be morbid at all, and supposedly no pictures or video of the crash exists -- at least none that have ever surfaced. But from everything I have ever read about that crash, Renna 's fatal crash at Indy may have been the worst single car crash ever -- even worse than Gordon Smiley at Indy, if that is possible., There are a number of conflicting reports regarding the details of Renna's accident, and I don't want to be overly gruesome, But major pieces of the car supposedly damaged the bottom couple rows of the grandstands. From everything I have ever read, Indy (and maybe even racing as a whole in this country) would have probably been changed forever if that crash had happened during the 500.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-IsOuo5be8
About 1:30 into the video you can see fuel spraying into the crowd. Nobody was killed but, several spectators were injured.
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October 19, 2011 at
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Jim Murray started one of his famous columns with "Gentlemen, start your coffins" when Indy and racing were going through a particlarly gruesome time in the '70s. In terms of safety, things have improved dramatically but racing isn't a safe sport and it's not supposed to be a safe sport. This has to happen from time to time to remind us of that and to keep complacency from setting in.
People start taking safety for granted sometimes, especially when big business is involved and corners are cut for the need to drum up interest and tv ratings.
Promoters used to push tickets by selling the idea that death was being cheated at every corner, every lap. It worked for a long time. I'm sure we'd all like to think that mentality has changed but I think we know better. It's human nature.
Racing is always a contest of human skill trying to harness technology in stressfull environments. That's why we respect guys like Wheldon. They are pioneers, wanting to see what's over that next hill, pushing to the limit. Sometimes, things don't work out and the worst happens. But it's part of our culture and the human experience and I wouldn't want it any other way. Take away the need or desire to push the envelope or see what's over the hill and we are nothing more than chained slaves to the master of security, no longer free to think and live.
I look at these racing incidents like I look at the Challenger explosion. Sometimes you get complacent, then this happens and technology and decision making make adjustments and things do get better, whether we know it or not. If this accident wasn't captured on live television or video wasn't available, would it have had the impact on us that it does?
It's racing. It can be a blood sport. It can be exhilarating. What happened at Vegas will happen again, to someone, somewhere. It's the nature of the business.
It is what it is.
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Posted By: sprint777x on October 19 2011 at 10:47:44 AM
Jim Murray started one of his famous columns with "Gentlemen, start your coffins" when Indy and racing were going through a particlarly gruesome time in the '70s. In terms of safety, things have improved dramatically but racing isn't a safe sport and it's not supposed to be a safe sport. This has to happen from time to time to remind us of that and to keep complacency from setting in.
People start taking safety for granted sometimes, especially when big business is involved and corners are cut for the need to drum up interest and tv ratings.
Promoters used to push tickets by selling the idea that death was being cheated at every corner, every lap. It worked for a long time. I'm sure we'd all like to think that mentality has changed but I think we know better. It's human nature.
Racing is always a contest of human skill trying to harness technology in stressfull environments. That's why we respect guys like Wheldon. They are pioneers, wanting to see what's over that next hill, pushing to the limit. Sometimes, things don't work out and the worst happens. But it's part of our culture and the human experience and I wouldn't want it any other way. Take away the need or desire to push the envelope or see what's over the hill and we are nothing more than chained slaves to the master of security, no longer free to think and live.
I look at these racing incidents like I look at the Challenger explosion. Sometimes you get complacent, then this happens and technology and decision making make adjustments and things do get better, whether we know it or not. If this accident wasn't captured on live television or video wasn't available, would it have had the impact on us that it does?
It's racing. It can be a blood sport. It can be exhilarating. What happened at Vegas will happen again, to someone, somewhere. It's the nature of the business.
It is what it is.
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my point of the whole post, and guys saying he had no time to react to the wreak are just being oblivious, there wasn't brake lights ur right. JUST A BIG GIANT SMOKE CLOUD THAT HE SAW AND GOT OUT OF THE GAS ON THE ENTRY OF TURN 1 BEFORE THE INITIAL IMPACT IN THE EXIT OF 2. I will never believe he didn't have time to react and that the 220 plus mph is the reason this happened. Drivers were on the track handling race cars that shouldn't have been in the cock pit. They panic, and stabbed the brakes (like most on our roads daily), spun the cars directly sideways and acted as launching ramps for on coming cars. The new car wouldn't and wont prevent this, infact it will be easier to occur with the new curvature of the side panels. Will Power went over the rear and would have been prevented by the new cars with the addition of bumpers, but what happened to Dan Wheldon would occur on the new car, and at speeds less than 220 mph hell less than 200 they do stunt jumps at 85mph with ramps. oh and don't they freeze the fields when a crash occurs? So why would he try and speed threw the wreak?
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