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Topic: My Take On The Whole Form Of Motorsports (Dan Wheldon Aftermath)
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: linbob on October 18 2011 at 12:01:36 PM
I feel part of the problen is Crate engens and crate cars. Every notor and every chassis is the same. This causes cars to stack up because they all have same power, and how do you pass a car if it has same poer. You have to hope you can get chassis set up. Indy cars have had some very close races, which shows how equal they are. Until cars get spread out the air is like driving into a hurricane. It is easy to second guess after the event but maybe they should have run a B main and started say 26 cars. As i saw it the crash was at mid pack; so it might have happaned any way..I get a little mad when TV stations never care about racing until a death, then they all have a prime time story. The ET magazine is an example.
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Bingo!!!!! When Indy Car went to crate engines to promote "a competitive balance and reduce costs" they also did what NASCAR has done for the last 20 years. Everybody has a chance to win. The Indy Car pit crews cannot even so much as touch the engine since Honda has mandated that THEY are the ones that make all the repairs. Back in day and I mean 60s-the early 90s, there were about 10 teams and drivers who had a realistic shot at winning an Indy Car race or the Indy 500. Now even Ed Carpenter can win (yes he's a good driver, but the team had no where near the funds to compete with Ganassi or Penske). My point is let the teams (and I know they are apparently do this) work on the engines, and allow more manufactures in (Chevy is in already). Just because you have 26 cars or however many in a particular race, doesn't mean they all have to be equal. This isn't Little League where everybody gets a chance to hit a home run! Also do what NASCAR does limit the amount of cars per race. Indy stays at 33, road courses capped at 24, 1 1/2 mile ovals 24, and 2 mile ovals 28. If there are more cars than starting spots, then you go home if your're not fast enough.
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October 18, 2011 at
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October 18, 2011 at
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You don't sky dive without thinking about the what if's, and u dont take a race car around a track at 220mph without thinking about the what if's as well. Theres a reason the millionaires put drivers in the cars instead of doing it their self, besides the skill it takes which as others have said, marketability is all that matters nowadays. That roman reference was hilarious, them people were mainly forced to do that, I don't believe one person has ever been forced into a race car, people smoke cigarettes and that's a proven killer and that's another great comparison as well, its a choice.
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October 18, 2011 at
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the talks on espn right now going on should be listened to
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October 18, 2011 at
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I remember them blacking out. I think the first race they had there was when I was in High School. Like 2000. I remember channel One news (National school news channel) reporting on it. The drivers were blacking out on the Back stretch and they had to delay practice. I think they came up with the idea to go to the nearest Air Force base and bought or borrowed some G force suits.
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October 18, 2011 at
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wasnt that CART (more hp) not IndyCar going to run their 1st race there n they cancelled the race cause of that practice session they were blacking out?
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October 18, 2011 at
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October 18, 2011 at
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Reminds you sometimes just being a fan can be as dangerous. Been to many tracks, where you just knew that the fence would never hold, if a wreck happened on the front stretch. Like nothing but chain link. Wasn't it Jac back in the early 80's who wrecked into a chain link fence, then the fence rolled up all around the car, and he couldn't get out?
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: brian26 on October 18 2011 at 10:30:14 AM
If we're referring to the Kenny Brack incident, I don't remember that being a tightly knit pack of cars like this incident. I was coming back to my seat on the front stretch when I saw the fireball going through the air (turned out to be Brack and his car). I'll check the video again.
I think it's time to really look at the incident itself in regards to Vegas this time, and and decipher what caused his car to go into the catch fence.
- The car in front of Wheldon checked up, and Wheldon had nowhere to go but over the top. He hit NO OTHER CARS while he was sailing through the air (in a smooth bottom car , after the ground effect vacuum is broken).
Wheldon was on the inside of the turn which gave him more distance to build momentum towards the wall, (just like some lost their lives at Langhorne).
Tommy Hinnershitz stayed alive when he knew he had to stay close to the wall at Langhorne.
$3-$4 million dollars of cars being destroyed , 15 cars out on live tv, fire everywhere---still Wheldon only hit one car.
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The point I was trying to make with the TMS deal is the fact that when a 3800# NAPCAR gets out of control on a high banked oval, 9 chances out of 10, the car hits the wall and bounces off, not so much with the Indy cars, especially when they climb a tire. Like I posted on another MB,the first car to enter the stands at 225+ mph will make everyone outside of racing forget about the Reno Air Race crash. It's time to do what I've said all along what would make all forms of roundy round racing better (and safer). Give them ALL the horsepower they want, but take away the aero and make them use the "other" pedal in their car. They should also do like F1 and institute a "107% rule", meaning that everyone has to qualify within 107% of the fastest time set during qualifying, or you don't race. That keeps the "field fillers out". That will separate the great drivers from the good drivers and spread out the pack. JMO...
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anyone start to think he was going below 200 as his car was launched on the exit of 2 after the wreak started into turn 1? im sure he didnt go full throttle threw it all.....
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October 18, 2011 at
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Posted By: ChazT on October 18 2011 at 04:52:52 PM
anyone start to think he was going below 200 as his car was launched on the exit of 2 after the wreak started into turn 1? im sure he didnt go full throttle threw it all.....
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No watch this clip Cubic posted in another thread. He was off the gas but still was going over 200.
http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum.cfm?pageNum_qGetThread=2&ThreadID=61046
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October 18, 2011 at
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can anyone build a cage that will take an impact like that? i mean cage first into a catch fence at high speed? if i remember right rich vogeler went into the fence at salem the same way with the same result. i just re-watched the shane hmiel wreck at THAT last year, while it didn't hit the fence, the wall flattened his cage and we all know the result. so, is it possible to build such a cage?
as far as death being a part of racing, it always has been. the point of racing is to" push the envelope" of your cars performance, sometimes it bites, hard. i think it was ernest hemmingway who said, "bull fighting and auto racing are the only true sports, all the others are just games"
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Posted By: bigrickpa on October 18 2011 at 05:44:43 PM
can anyone build a cage that will take an impact like that? i mean cage first into a catch fence at high speed? if i remember right rich vogeler went into the fence at salem the same way with the same result. i just re-watched the shane hmiel wreck at THAT last year, while it didn't hit the fence, the wall flattened his cage and we all know the result. so, is it possible to build such a cage?
as far as death being a part of racing, it always has been. the point of racing is to" push the envelope" of your cars performance, sometimes it bites, hard. i think it was ernest hemmingway who said, "bull fighting and auto racing are the only true sports, all the others are just games"
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To go with your pushing the envelope. I think if drivers found themselves totally safe and that tech has made it so they are safe, then they fell the need to go faster. Drivers and crews will always want to push the speed factor. Build a race car that keeps a driver safe tested at 225 mph and a driver will push to go 230 mph
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I was at that one too. Sky was clear as a bell, just a couple of clouds. A Stealth fighter flew over, and my Dad was inside while I was looking for t shirts. Then they call off the race and almost wouldn't let me back in to tell my Dad the news! I finally got back in, and there he was sitting, a bit confused the race cars were loading back up. He figured it was 'one of them european things they do'.
I'm thinking the speeds were hitting 235-240 average. Damnedest thing I ever saw, calling off a race because of too much speed. That whole year was a year of oddities and change.
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Posted By: Hawker on October 18 2011 at 04:49:02 PM
The point I was trying to make with the TMS deal is the fact that when a 3800# NAPCAR gets out of control on a high banked oval, 9 chances out of 10, the car hits the wall and bounces off, not so much with the Indy cars, especially when they climb a tire. Like I posted on another MB,the first car to enter the stands at 225+ mph will make everyone outside of racing forget about the Reno Air Race crash. It's time to do what I've said all along what would make all forms of roundy round racing better (and safer). Give them ALL the horsepower they want, but take away the aero and make them use the "other" pedal in their car. They should also do like F1 and institute a "107% rule", meaning that everyone has to qualify within 107% of the fastest time set during qualifying, or you don't race. That keeps the "field fillers out". That will separate the great drivers from the good drivers and spread out the pack. JMO...
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Lot of good points there.
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My question is ,,why no brake lights on IRL or NASCAR??? Formula 1 has brake lights and it saves lives!! The danger is always there in racing but I don't understand in nascar especially with so called stock cars that do have brake lights why they don't. Brake lights save lives . At 200 plus miles an hour it would give drivers some kind of warning that the brakes are on up ahead. Correct me if I am wrong!!!!!!!!
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Brake lights should be mandatory for any kind of racing at 150 mph or more!!! JMO!!
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where it show him not on the brakes? they get out his car a few seconds before the impact
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Posted By: ChazT on October 18 2011 at 07:56:53 PM
where it show him not on the brakes? they get out his car a few seconds before the impact
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Its the reaction time that makes the difference,,,if you see red at the instant they are on the brakes it makes the difference to when you react. Have you ever followed somebody going down the road with no brake lights ? It can catch you off guard!!
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Posted By: mdr4774 on October 18 2011 at 07:37:20 PM
My question is ,,why no brake lights on IRL or NASCAR??? Formula 1 has brake lights and it saves lives!! The danger is always there in racing but I don't understand in nascar especially with so called stock cars that do have brake lights why they don't. Brake lights save lives . At 200 plus miles an hour it would give drivers some kind of warning that the brakes are on up ahead. Correct me if I am wrong!!!!!!!!
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F1 cars do not have brake lights. They have a flashing "rain light" that flashes anytime they're running in the wet, or enter pit lane. Also, the IRL and F1 have lights on the steering wheel that come on in the event of a yellow or red flag.
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If there is anyone on here that can react to a car in front of you on the brakes at the exact time they get on the brakes let everyone know how you do it now!! Every milli second counts at 200 mph!!
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Posted By: Hawker on October 18 2011 at 08:05:35 PM
F1 cars do not have brake lights. They have a flashing "rain light" that flashes anytime they're running in the wet, or enter pit lane. Also, the IRL and F1 have lights on the steering wheel that come on in the event of a yellow or red flag.
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I am sorry if Formula 1 does not have brake lights I seen the flashing lights and I assumed they had brake lights. Now tell me why for safety reasons they dont have brake lights??? What would hinder any driver if they had brake lights is my question?????????
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