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Already heard of one two barrel driver selling his two barrel stuff. Discuss?

368 Cubic inch maximum displacement. Steel blocks only. Flat top pistons only, (no protrusions above piston face), No internal reciprocating parts made of aluminum or titanium or any thing other than steel. Waterpumps to remain in the stock location and must be belt driven. Wet sump oil systems only, no external oil pumps or tanks of any kind. All competitors engines are subject to inspection by OCRS at any time. No crank trigger ignition systems allowed.Any steel rod or crankshaft may be used. No titanium engine part will be allowed except valves and valve spring retainers. Camshaft is optional. No overhead cams. Gear drive ok.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

That's crazy. Does the tire rule take effect at the first race for OCRS?

Now Brandon you know OCRS has to run all four tires Goodyears and just not the RR.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

Greetings Brandon

Allow me to clarify a couple of things that may help explain the decision on the valve rule.

At the recent OCRS meeting that was just held, everything was set to keep the ti-valves out of the rules as they have been in the past. Upon bringing the subject matter up, 80-85% of the teams in attendance wanted the ti-valves implemented in the 2011 rules.

One reason to allow them was because teams said they could get the valves for under $400-$500 and some said a search would turn up some for $300 and less. This is for a SET not for each valve. Another reason given by the teams was the extra wear the ti-valves would take and have a far more reliability rate thus reducing the chance of engine failure.

A few teams in attendance that were in favor of allowing them are (in my classification) representing the under funded teams. Im more than willing to share with you some other details about this issue if you would like to call. Although it was an open meeting, the info I can share with you isnt something for me to broadcast in an open forum such as this.

As for the tire deal, we knew it would be with some hesitation for a few. Hardly does a switch like this goes 100% carefree. David Grace from Carter/Maxwell came down to talk to those in attendance. As for tire cost, your looking at a 'wash' per set. One tire may be $4-$5 more than the AR tire but another will be just as less thus the 'wash'. The largest benefit for the same amount of cost is a point fund more than three times what it paid in 2010 and prior. Even if you dont qualify for the point fund by running in 75% of the races for the year, you will earn a certificate towards your tire bill just by making each A Feature at an OCRS event. This is something you just dont hardly see anywhere else.

Call me when you get a chance at (918) 850-5341 and I will share some additional info that you will find interesting. I feel confident that most, if not all, of your concerns will be set at ease.

Damn I love this message board, when used properly....

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

John a question for you. If the OCRS meeting was an open meeting, open forum, then why can not any more information be given out on a public forum such as tidbits? If the information was a rule clarification issue then I see this as a perfect place to express that information. There are drivers that could not attend the meeting due to numerous reason. Are they not privy to the same information? Yes, I know you said give you a call if anyone has any questions but you know as well as I that people get busy.

To an untrained eye it looks as if something is being hidden. I am not accusing anyone of misleading anyone but you see where that can be thought

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands 
in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he 
stands at times of challenge and controversy." 
Martin Luther King, Jr. 

Erich Petersen 

To All,

Want to touch on the tire deal #1 you can run the AR RR and any HR,AR, GDYR LR and FRT for the first 6 schedule OCRS Races or you can start on the New GDYR RR from the start, starting at race #7 you must be on 4 GDYR's. The price of the GDYR RR is $185.00 which is $4.00 cheaper then what C/M & Bishop sold the AR RR for in 2010, also starting at race #7 the softest GDYR LR compound legal for OCRS will be the 100 or G100. NO 050's AFTER THE 6th EVENT!!!!! I'm not 100% positive but I think you can run the GDYR RR at Creek and Meeker on there weekly shows, I'll ck and find out and let everbody know.

Now just my observation on the Ti Valve, I attended the above mentioned meeting and I don't think OCRS is hiding anything, it is obvious that of the 17 cars represented the majority 13 voted for the Ti valve and to my surprise more then 2 or 3 are the lower dollar teams. In 2010 I'm sure that there were Ti valves out there and a few teams flat said they ran them. It's history right or wrong, it is also history that GAS, DITTMAN, S. SELLERS, R. SELLERS, WADDELL, LJ, DJ, ANDY etc were all able to run with or beat the OCRS guys!!

I can be reached at 405-789-8253 and I don't mind posting on here either.

David Grace

Erich

Your misinterpreting my comment to Cheese. There are NOT any secrets as to the rules and/or what was covered in the meeting. My comment to Cheese was about info that pertained to a more personal opinion of this issue, not from a professional/official viewpoint.

In my opinion, some things cant be posted on a public forum because they get taken the wrong way. As the case that just happened here (it seems).

We hope to see you and many other racing fans, owners and drivers at our tour stops this season!

John Lemon

OCRS

my question is what do the Ti valves provide in a 2 barrel spec-head, steel block engine other than increased durability? i also have heard of these valves in the 300-500 dollar range. plus there was the problem of how to find them in an engine in a car at the track. you cannot use a magnet because neither stainless valves nor Ti valves are magnetic. the only way would be to pull and disassemble the heads at the track.....just my 2 cents....

"its useless to put on the brakes when you are upside 
down"   -Paul Newman

I do not have tit. valves in my engine and i have no inclination to pull my heads and replace what i have. In all the years of turning motors over 8k rpm i have never pulled the head off a valve and have regularly ran 25 to 30 shows on rebuilds. If you stay on top of your valvespring program all will be well and the performance difference is negligable. While i have respect for the series brass i feel this was a mistake and will give the false impression to some teams that they must have this type of thing to compete successfully.

I will say this once and only once (I bet, I will have to re-peat myself). Tire companies are working hard to stay competitive in their market. Just because Tony Stewart says "the Goodyears" are junk, everybody jumps on that waggon and makes it a Monkey see, Monkey do deal.

But as far as going with the Titanium Valves so commonly known as "ti". Yes you can purchase a used set, or a cheap set from Harbor Freight for $300-$500. The cost of the valves also include adding machine shop work, etc...etc...more $$$

It seems like every time we get an affordable class, some Jackass with money wants to step in and win a Championship out of his back pocket.Never mind the true Talent....Let's just out $pend the competition, and We will get our Trophy.

We need to keep Racing equal for all budgets in each class of our local racer. The same as we need to get all Track Promotors to get together on a Common set of Rules.

I spaced this out for a specific reason. Read...Listen...Learn. You know the three "R's"

Allen Crawford