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wolfgang29
November 26, 2017 at 02:11:30 PM
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 Any good rumors in central Pennsylvania?  I heard about McEntyre to the 07  but I don't know what kind of schedule he is running.  What about the Zemco car?  It's cold here and I'm bored. Entertain me LOL 




fiXXXer
November 26, 2017 at 04:46:34 PM
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Posted By: wolfgang29 on November 26 2017 at 02:11:30 PM

 Any good rumors in central Pennsylvania?  I heard about McEntyre to the 07  but I don't know what kind of schedule he is running.  What about the Zemco car?  It's cold here and I'm bored. Entertain me LOL 



Big rumor around here is that T.J Giddings will be driving the Bob Fetter #77. Don't know how true it is but I guess we'll see......



bgtexpress
November 26, 2017 at 06:08:59 PM
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This message was edited on November 26, 2017 at 06:11:12 PM by bgtexpress

Has there been any OFFICIAL announcement that Blaney is out of the Zemco ride? Other than a few 358 teams moving up to the 410's in 2018 it is a relatively quiet silly season this year in Central Pa.




fiXXXer
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This message was edited on November 27, 2017 at 01:24:15 AM by fiXXXer
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Posted By: bgtexpress on November 26 2017 at 06:08:59 PM

Has there been any OFFICIAL announcement that Blaney is out of the Zemco ride? Other than a few 358 teams moving up to the 410's in 2018 it is a relatively quiet silly season this year in Central Pa.



Haven't seen anything official yet. Just the rumors. Silly season is very quiet. Has been for a few years now. Sad to say, but it's another sign of how Central PA as a whole is on a decline as far as the weekly racing is concerned. Most of our big races are still highly successful but points racing is all but dead. Hell even our Speedweek is becoming a joke. The deep pockets of Hamilton, Harz, Dyer etc. are long gone and haven't really been replaced at all. If you think about it, the Heffner 27 is the only team of that type left so there isn't a whole lot of moving of hired gun drivers from ride to ride anymore. Sign of the times. These days, the only real news is when yet another of our young up and coming drivers takes their team on the road after they realize that trying to go somewhere in the sprint car world while racing at Lincoln and 2 follow the leader, flat as a pancake half miles 90% of the time is about as lucrative as trying to become a world class chef while working at Taco Bell. I hope things change around here but I have a feeling that the days of millionaire car owners spending hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of their dollars to win a meaningless track title that pays a few grand plus a trophy are over.



wolfgang29
November 27, 2017 at 05:32:17 AM
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Posted By: bgtexpress on November 26 2017 at 06:08:59 PM

Has there been any OFFICIAL announcement that Blaney is out of the Zemco ride? Other than a few 358 teams moving up to the 410's in 2018 it is a relatively quiet silly season this year in Central Pa.



I haven't heard anything official yet either. Just asking because there were a few races at the end of the year that you figured he'd be at but he wasn't. Hopefully, he will get another year in the car



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I follow hockey and our local team is in a league refered to as developmental. Its a stepping stone to higher levels. I'm just commenting but PA people could put a lot of value in developng drivers and sending them to the next level. I understand it would be great to have the best right at home all the time but the rest of the country likes it the way it is.

 

The economics of sprint car racing is insane. WoW teams spend $1000000 and Schatz wins $600000 and the car owner gets $300000 to pay all the bills. Obviously the motive is something other than money. 2Nd place is only MORE INSANE.

 

An earlier post says some 358 drivers are moving to 410. That sounds promising. Developing in the right direction.

 

Would it help if the PA area tracks developed a circuit with decent prize and year end money? Make it good enough outsiders could move in and settle for the season instead of tracks competing with each other they partner with each other.


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staggerman
November 27, 2017 at 12:13:00 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 27 2017 at 09:03:24 AM

I follow hockey and our local team is in a league refered to as developmental. Its a stepping stone to higher levels. I'm just commenting but PA people could put a lot of value in developng drivers and sending them to the next level. I understand it would be great to have the best right at home all the time but the rest of the country likes it the way it is.

 

The economics of sprint car racing is insane. WoW teams spend $1000000 and Schatz wins $600000 and the car owner gets $300000 to pay all the bills. Obviously the motive is something other than money. 2Nd place is only MORE INSANE.

 

An earlier post says some 358 drivers are moving to 410. That sounds promising. Developing in the right direction.

 

Would it help if the PA area tracks developed a circuit with decent prize and year end money? Make it good enough outsiders could move in and settle for the season instead of tracks competing with each other they partner with each other.



From what I see the PA tracks pay pretty good point funds right now and have some of the best weekly purses in the country. Plus guys can run over a 100 races within a couple hours drive. Not sure what a PA circuit would help.



longtimemitchfan
November 27, 2017 at 02:54:00 PM
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The 24 and 27 are the only two full time rides in Pa. right now and they are both taken the rest of the top teams are only part time or family backed the 1z and 69k top mcars but only part time. The 21 only runs the Grove and Lincoln the 44 is also a good part time car and the 33 is looking to run more lets hope Jarred can keep it on four wheels.

Josh Baughman put out a release that he is moving to the North East and running 410 in Pa. and with the All Stars but again it will most likely be all the big shows.A few other drivers said they would like to run in Pa. if they could put something together.

I did not forget the 48 they have been together from yhe start so I consider Deitrichs team.



theedge21
November 27, 2017 at 03:39:13 PM
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Like you said Gerard McIntyre will be in the Coldren 07 full-time.    Adrian Shaffer is moving up and running full-time in 410's at the Grove and Lincoln.   Hammaker is moving up and running full time 410's at Port Royal.   I'm sure he will run some other shows too.   Tyler Reeser is running 410's next year it sounds, he's from the 305 class.    Joe Trenca is running almost all 410 stuff next year.   You'll see him alot more in Pennsylvania for big shows in the #98.   

 




bgtexpress
November 27, 2017 at 06:41:23 PM
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 27 2017 at 09:03:24 AM

I follow hockey and our local team is in a league refered to as developmental. Its a stepping stone to higher levels. I'm just commenting but PA people could put a lot of value in developng drivers and sending them to the next level. I understand it would be great to have the best right at home all the time but the rest of the country likes it the way it is.

 

The economics of sprint car racing is insane. WoW teams spend $1000000 and Schatz wins $600000 and the car owner gets $300000 to pay all the bills. Obviously the motive is something other than money. 2Nd place is only MORE INSANE.

 

An earlier post says some 358 drivers are moving to 410. That sounds promising. Developing in the right direction.

 

Would it help if the PA area tracks developed a circuit with decent prize and year end money? Make it good enough outsiders could move in and settle for the season instead of tracks competing with each other they partner with each other.



There is nothing wrong with the Pa drivers staying home on the porch.....it pays fairly well. Both Dewease ($163,500) and Dietrich ($160,244) were in the top 12 in the country in money won in 2017. Wolfe ($153,018) and Hodnett, who had an off year, ($139,629) still made a few bucks.



DONT KNOW DONT CARE
November 27, 2017 at 11:30:39 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on November 26 2017 at 06:46:19 PM

Haven't seen anything official yet. Just the rumors. Silly season is very quiet. Has been for a few years now. Sad to say, but it's another sign of how Central PA as a whole is on a decline as far as the weekly racing is concerned. Most of our big races are still highly successful but points racing is all but dead. Hell even our Speedweek is becoming a joke. The deep pockets of Hamilton, Harz, Dyer etc. are long gone and haven't really been replaced at all. If you think about it, the Heffner 27 is the only team of that type left so there isn't a whole lot of moving of hired gun drivers from ride to ride anymore. Sign of the times. These days, the only real news is when yet another of our young up and coming drivers takes their team on the road after they realize that trying to go somewhere in the sprint car world while racing at Lincoln and 2 follow the leader, flat as a pancake half miles 90% of the time is about as lucrative as trying to become a world class chef while working at Taco Bell. I hope things change around here but I have a feeling that the days of millionaire car owners spending hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of their dollars to win a meaningless track title that pays a few grand plus a trophy are over.



If I was a young sprintcar driver with the backing and freedom to pick anywhere in the country to go race weekly it would be Pennsylvania. You have a decent variety of track sizes and track options in a relatively small area. The weekly competition is still as stout as just about any other region with Knoxville (one track) and Cali right on par and we have 953 scheduled 410 races in 2018.

As far as getting noticed or making a name for yourself, a first 410 win at Port Lincoln or Williamsgrove gains any young driver a bit of recognition, win a few more who knows, if you win enough KKR may come calling, Keep in mind, regardless of how many times you post about how bad the weekly racing is and all the reasons why, the rest of the sprintcar world has nothing but the utmost respect for Pa racing. The Pa fans, of course, are another storry.



fiXXXer
November 28, 2017 at 01:40:00 AM
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Posted By: DONT KNOW DONT CARE on November 27 2017 at 11:30:39 PM

If I was a young sprintcar driver with the backing and freedom to pick anywhere in the country to go race weekly it would be Pennsylvania. You have a decent variety of track sizes and track options in a relatively small area. The weekly competition is still as stout as just about any other region with Knoxville (one track) and Cali right on par and we have 953 scheduled 410 races in 2018.

As far as getting noticed or making a name for yourself, a first 410 win at Port Lincoln or Williamsgrove gains any young driver a bit of recognition, win a few more who knows, if you win enough KKR may come calling, Keep in mind, regardless of how many times you post about how bad the weekly racing is and all the reasons why, the rest of the sprintcar world has nothing but the utmost respect for Pa racing. The Pa fans, of course, are another storry.



Of course if you want to race weekly and gain notoriety, this is as good of a place as there is. I said nothing about that. In fact, right now, there's a lot of promising young talent from PA out on the road making a name for themselves and they cut their teeth racing locally right here at home. That's exactly my point. The days of having guys like Lance, Fred, Shaffer, Hodnett etc. racing pretty much exclusively in PA for high profile car owners such as Hamilton chasing track titles are all but extinct. Virtually everyone I know who is involved with the sport agrees. It's an indisputable fact. Central PA is in an obvious decline these days. Just look at the fields and point standings from 10 to 15 years ago and compare it to now. There have always been peaks and valley's but over the last few years things are steadily and consistently going the same way. How many drivers ran for points at any given track last year? Most of our top teams just race where the money is on Saturday nights. Anymore, Port Royal only has about 5 drivers who are there every single week. Williams Grove is a little better since they run unopposed but still they're nowhere near where they once were. Lincoln has the healthiest field as far as week to week regulars are concerned and it looks like it will stay that way for awhile. I'm not saying that Central PA isn't a good area for weekly racing because it is but no one can deny the obvious trend we're seeing of young guys opting to leave and race elsewhere as opposed to staying here and racing their entire careers like so many did in the past. 




longtimefan
November 28, 2017 at 04:51:19 AM
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I can't say that losing the high profile owners hasn't hurt Pa. especially when the Outlaws come here. As far as the weekly racing is concerned, it is not a bad thing to go to a race not knowing who might win. In the days of the high profile teams you pretty much knew only two or three guys had a good chance of winning. 



mudclods
November 28, 2017 at 08:21:50 AM
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While there's definitely not the amount of the high profile owners in central PA like years gone by, I took a quick look down through the points at the 3 weekly tracks and came up with approximately 30 car owners still out there that aren't a family owned deal.  That's still a pretty impressive amount even if they don't all compete on a weekly basis.



DONT KNOW DONT CARE
November 28, 2017 at 11:01:10 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on November 28 2017 at 01:40:00 AM

Of course if you want to race weekly and gain notoriety, this is as good of a place as there is. I said nothing about that. In fact, right now, there's a lot of promising young talent from PA out on the road making a name for themselves and they cut their teeth racing locally right here at home. That's exactly my point. The days of having guys like Lance, Fred, Shaffer, Hodnett etc. racing pretty much exclusively in PA for high profile car owners such as Hamilton chasing track titles are all but extinct. Virtually everyone I know who is involved with the sport agrees. It's an indisputable fact. Central PA is in an obvious decline these days. Just look at the fields and point standings from 10 to 15 years ago and compare it to now. There have always been peaks and valley's but over the last few years things are steadily and consistently going the same way. How many drivers ran for points at any given track last year? Most of our top teams just race where the money is on Saturday nights. Anymore, Port Royal only has about 5 drivers who are there every single week. Williams Grove is a little better since they run unopposed but still they're nowhere near where they once were. Lincoln has the healthiest field as far as week to week regulars are concerned and it looks like it will stay that way for awhile. I'm not saying that Central PA isn't a good area for weekly racing because it is but no one can deny the obvious trend we're seeing of young guys opting to leave and race elsewhere as opposed to staying here and racing their entire careers like so many did in the past. 



You compared racing weekly in Pa to a chef trying to make a living at Taco Bell, now you say it's a great place to gain notoriety which in turn will lead to bigger and better opportunities and more $. Most of your posts contain some negative comments about Pa Racing.  We are all well aware of the issues in 410 racing that you keep referring to. I'm gonna give you some advice that you have given countless folks on hoseheads, Instead of beating a dead horse on this forum why don't you and all your friends in the know, go volunteer at a track and try to make things better in some small way,  Repeting the same negative BS over and over helps no one.  




SpcJay
November 28, 2017 at 11:29:03 AM
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I;ve heard some interesting rumors surrounding the 27 car...but I don;t know how much stock to put into it. I;ve heard a possible return of Jim and Sandy Kline #22. I;ve heard Aaron Ott in the 58 car at Williams Grove and that Zearfoss would be running more races this season in his own car with some more travelling. Blaney possible back to All Stars.. but no news on the Zemco plans



fiXXXer
November 28, 2017 at 01:00:02 PM
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Posted By: DONT KNOW DONT CARE on November 28 2017 at 11:01:10 AM

You compared racing weekly in Pa to a chef trying to make a living at Taco Bell, now you say it's a great place to gain notoriety which in turn will lead to bigger and better opportunities and more $. Most of your posts contain some negative comments about Pa Racing.  We are all well aware of the issues in 410 racing that you keep referring to. I'm gonna give you some advice that you have given countless folks on hoseheads, Instead of beating a dead horse on this forum why don't you and all your friends in the know, go volunteer at a track and try to make things better in some small way,  Repeting the same negative BS over and over helps no one.  



Evidently things like satire and sarcasm are over your head. I call it like I see it. As far as helping out at a racetrack, I work 60 hours a week most of the time and I spend a lot of that money at those racetracks. I do my part. All I'm saying is that lately, we have a lot of our talent going on the road instead of staying here and racing which is a fact. For whatever reason, racing here weekly doesn't seem to be as attractive as it once was. 



wolfgang29
November 28, 2017 at 01:07:40 PM
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Posted By: SpcJay on November 28 2017 at 11:29:03 AM

I;ve heard some interesting rumors surrounding the 27 car...but I don;t know how much stock to put into it. I;ve heard a possible return of Jim and Sandy Kline #22. I;ve heard Aaron Ott in the 58 car at Williams Grove and that Zearfoss would be running more races this season in his own car with some more travelling. Blaney possible back to All Stars.. but no news on the Zemco plans



I heard they're going back to Maxims at the 27. Makes sense




revjimk
November 28, 2017 at 01:12:50 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on November 26 2017 at 06:46:19 PM

Haven't seen anything official yet. Just the rumors. Silly season is very quiet. Has been for a few years now. Sad to say, but it's another sign of how Central PA as a whole is on a decline as far as the weekly racing is concerned. Most of our big races are still highly successful but points racing is all but dead. Hell even our Speedweek is becoming a joke. The deep pockets of Hamilton, Harz, Dyer etc. are long gone and haven't really been replaced at all. If you think about it, the Heffner 27 is the only team of that type left so there isn't a whole lot of moving of hired gun drivers from ride to ride anymore. Sign of the times. These days, the only real news is when yet another of our young up and coming drivers takes their team on the road after they realize that trying to go somewhere in the sprint car world while racing at Lincoln and 2 follow the leader, flat as a pancake half miles 90% of the time is about as lucrative as trying to become a world class chef while working at Taco Bell. I hope things change around here but I have a feeling that the days of millionaire car owners spending hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of their dollars to win a meaningless track title that pays a few grand plus a trophy are over.



You make good points & I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but let me remind readers that Philly fans are famous for booing their own teams.... 

Not a Philly fan? No difference, I think you get the point....



theedge21
November 28, 2017 at 01:54:06 PM
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It also doesn't help local car counts that we lost Brent Marks, Jacob Allen and Logan Schuchart to the WoO.   Not to mention The Mackisons and Ryan Smith to the All-Stars.





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