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Aces&Eights
November 22, 2017 at 09:21:09 AM
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This message was edited on November 22, 2017 at 11:16:11 AM by Aces&Eights

Does anybody know any details about this "New" chassis being offered by EMI?  From the promotional material they say its a collaboration between EMI & Speedway Motors, but what I can't figure out is how they got the price down 33% from a standard Eagle Chassis.  Is this a deal like "Triple XXX" and the chassis is made in China?  If it is I won't support that, I am very much, "Made in the USA" all the way if at all possible, I don't even shop Wally World unless I can't get it someplace else.  If your like me and you've been on the recieving end of having your job shipped over seas or cut short by unfair foreign competition then you understand why I say "Buy American", the job you save may be your own.  Anyway just curious how they can sell this frame SOOO much less than their regular frame.

Thanks

http://www.eaglemotorsports.com/shopping/productDetails.aspx?i=1131969&c=9404


Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—	
I took the one less traveled by,	
And that has made all the difference.


dmantx
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November 22, 2017 at 12:03:47 PM
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Basically it just comes down to giving customers a choice...and in this case, the type of choice that's already been available to racing consumers for quite a few years.

And the brochure states how the product is designed and produced. https://www.eaglemotorsports.com/downloads/get.aspx?i=414170

But there are lots and lots of racing products and companies that build components for race cars that are not produced in the U.S.

I'm not siding that one is right and one is wrong, but ultimitely it is the racer that determines the outcome in all of these situations, as either they buy one or the other...and that's what steers a lot of the market's course over time.

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JCWRacing
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November 22, 2017 at 12:04:04 PM
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Per the PDF Brochure on the link, yes the car is being made in China. 




racefanigan
November 22, 2017 at 01:20:12 PM
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This message was edited on November 22, 2017 at 03:39:16 PM by racefanigan

More stuff than most know on a sprint car is made in china. I bet nobody has a birdcage bearing that was made in the USA anymore. winters outsources a bunch of stuff. Hell, it was just a couple years ago that I got a set of winters front hubs that had a sticker on them saying "Made in Taiwan"

Call a cam manufacturer, a piston manufacturer, any manufacturer for that matter, and ask them where they source their parts from. 90% of places dont make stuff in house anymore, they source from a huge supplier, and whos to say that "huge supplier" doesn't outsource that stuff as well.

Its happening everywhere. If you have a part on your car that takes multiple parts to put together, (Rear End for example) Its very likely that something in there was sourced overseas.



Aces&Eights
November 22, 2017 at 03:51:47 PM
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This message was edited on November 22, 2017 at 03:52:52 PM by Aces&Eights
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Posted By: racefanigan on November 22 2017 at 01:20:12 PM

More stuff than most know on a sprint car is made in china. I bet nobody has a birdcage bearing that was made in the USA anymore. winters outsources a bunch of stuff. Hell, it was just a couple years ago that I got a set of winters front hubs that had a sticker on them saying "Made in Taiwan"

Call a cam manufacturer, a piston manufacturer, any manufacturer for that matter, and ask them where they source their parts from. 90% of places dont make stuff in house anymore, they source from a huge supplier, and whos to say that "huge supplier" doesn't outsource that stuff as well.

Its happening everywhere. If you have a part on your car that takes multiple parts to put together, (Rear End for example) Its very likely that something in there was sourced overseas.



I'm sure your right, but I make the effort to support my country and my fellow americans as much as I can.  Like I stated above, I've been the one on the loosing end of "Free Trade" deal more than once so I do my dead level best to keep as much of my money stateside as possible.  Its up to each individual as to how and where they spend there money, but for me I'm gonna keep my neighbor in mind when I buy.  I'm glad at least EMI is offering both cars.  JMO


Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—	
I took the one less traveled by,	
And that has made all the difference.

JCWRacing
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November 22, 2017 at 04:51:59 PM
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It is such a catch 22.  You can purchase a XXX frame made in Washington, however it is more expensive.  Alot of racers want the best money can buy, but yet will forego a higher quality product for something off the shelf because it costs less.  

From a business standpoint, I cannot blame a company for sourcing a more economically priced product, however, as a consumer, you need to ask yourself, what is more important to you.  The consistency and integrity of the product, or the cost?  Sometimes being made out of the country is not a bad thing.  Just because its made in the USA does not 100% mean it is a better product, just like because it costs more it doesn't necessarily mean its higher quality.  (iphone v. Samsung). 

Ultimately as the consumer, find what you want/need out of a product, find a manufacturer who meets your needs and create a relationship with them.  Eventually Loyalty will pay off. 
 




dmantx
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November 22, 2017 at 05:25:55 PM
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Posted By: JCWRacing on November 22 2017 at 04:51:59 PM

It is such a catch 22.  You can purchase a XXX frame made in Washington, however it is more expensive.  Alot of racers want the best money can buy, but yet will forego a higher quality product for something off the shelf because it costs less.  

From a business standpoint, I cannot blame a company for sourcing a more economically priced product, however, as a consumer, you need to ask yourself, what is more important to you.  The consistency and integrity of the product, or the cost?  Sometimes being made out of the country is not a bad thing.  Just because its made in the USA does not 100% mean it is a better product, just like because it costs more it doesn't necessarily mean its higher quality.  (iphone v. Samsung). 

Ultimately as the consumer, find what you want/need out of a product, find a manufacturer who meets your needs and create a relationship with them.  Eventually Loyalty will pay off. 
 



You are hitting on the point that I wanted to make, but chose not to, as it really opens this up into a much broader conversation.

But I agree with what you are saying in your post response.

This isn't a brand-specific response, but a response directly to racers that are making these choices.

For 15 years I was GM at three different chassis companies; from Modifieds, Sprint Cars, Stock Cars and Late Models.

When the whole 'China' component entered the mix many years ago, it was a big deal, as we knew a lot of racers look at price - as any consumer on this planet does with any type of major purchase.

But what's different in dirt track racing is one big component. This type of manufacturing requires welders and fabricators that are not easy to find, and when you do find the right ones, you're going to have to pay them very good wages to keep them as employees, as they are talented enough to work in about any industry.

And many racers want really specific fabricated components and expect chassis companies to have those staff members in place when their need arises.

But if the customer is buying their 'Christmas tree' (chassis) from someone else and just buying these specific-needs pieces (or ornaments, in this analogy), the chassis company loses out on the bulk of their sales - and the end result in many cases they can't make ends meet any more.

It's such a hard business to justify owning, as between the inherent risks, high overhead, lots of competition, justifying prices between perceived value and performance...this is pretty much where this segment of the industry is at.

Again, not saying to do one thing or the other here, but as a racer/consumer, you need to just make sure you understand the potential ramifications of your choices.

Because George, Brad, Tim - or whoever your favorite 'go-to' chassis fabrication guy has to get a check, just like you do, to be able to buy your racing chassis and parts.

On a lighter note, have a great upcoming Holiday season; and if you're in the Ark-La-Tex area this Saturday jonesing for a dirt race, we've got a great show lined up at LoneStar starting at 2pm.

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Aces&Eights
November 23, 2017 at 01:41:10 PM
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Very insighful well written post.  Happy Thanksgiving.


Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—	
I took the one less traveled by,	
And that has made all the difference.

checkingonly
October 16, 2018 at 03:42:48 PM
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I just bought one to run a racesaver, ran it 3 times at nationals. Worked great, very forgiving. The chassis are made in China, but they bring them back and un box them and put them on there jigs to check everything out. On my car you can see 2 welds that had been circled with marker and redone. I'll update how the next year goes�




W2Motorsports
January 14, 2019 at 10:59:35 AM
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Posted By: checkingonly on October 16 2018 at 03:42:48 PM

I just bought one to run a racesaver, ran it 3 times at nationals. Worked great, very forgiving. The chassis are made in China, but they bring them back and un box them and put them on there jigs to check everything out. On my car you can see 2 welds that had been circled with marker and redone. I'll update how the next year goes�



Sorry to bring this one back to the top. 

 

Checkingonly: Do you know if there are options for different chassis configurations? (88-40, or 87.5-40 for instance?). On Speedway it looks like they just offer a standard 87-40.

Thanks,

Jeff. 





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