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Landrytlp
September 22, 2013 at 09:35:33 AM
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Just in case this goes unread due to being on the TMS update page........

 

For the second time in my life I walked out of a track without seeing most of the sprint car racing!

 

I understand TMS had weather issues on Friday as I live 45 min from the track.  But the manner in which the Sat night program was run was utterly mind-numbing.  I'm also not saying I have a better idea, but there needs to be better decision making going forward by the promoter.

 

Looking at the grandstands pre/post Sat night program, it was obvious the majority of the fans in attendance were there for the sprint cars.  As another indicator of fan attendance, it was $25 for the Sat night spint show with only another $5 for the Fri night modified show; so you can instantly see where the promoter figured who would comprise the front gate!

 

They took about 45 min from the end of the Friday program and reworked the track and it looked beautiful.  We then had to endure about another 25 minutes while Spanky Spangler Jr attempted to clip an infield light tower while flipping his 1970's POS into another pile of junkers.  I'm pretty sure the promoter never intended for him the come close to the light tower but they had lined 6 round-bales up just in case.  From my vantage point he oblitereated 2 of the round bales.

 

It's now 9:15p, next up sprint cars???  No way, you can't start the evening without another 5 B-mains for the modifieds.  Starting 16 cars for 12 laps and taking the top 3.

 

Finally, the sprint cars took to the track for hot laps around 10:35p.  I assumed they would head back to the pits for some minor adjustments and roll straight into heats.  NOPE!  More modifieds.  At this point I don't even remember what the race format was.  

 

The sprints finally made it out for their heat races at 11:35p. Five heat races took probably 45 minutes in total.  George White was dumped coming out of 4 for the nights first red flag.  It was this point I noticed 3 push trucks lined up behind the field???

 

After the heats were over I was again hoping for a short break and roll straight into the B's as the talking heads in the press box had informed the crowd we had nothing but features for the remainder of the evening.  So whats the first feature to take to the trask, the first of 5 qualifying features for the limited modifieds.  Decided to try and wait it out and when George White proceeded to dump his modified into the same location in turn 4, damaging the fence in the process I hit the road.  

 

Saw twitter feeds this morning that the races completed at 4:20a.  This was as stupid a call to run a program in this format as I can remember.  The was a constant exodus of fans throughout the evening. I understand the modified drivers have as much of a vested interest in the evening as the sprint drivers, but come on, the fans still deserve more in my opinion.

 

Sounds like I missed one hell of a feature, but I didn't want to entirely ruin my Sunday by getting back to the house after 5am.

 

TMS Dirt Track is a great facility and I will go back, but only if they've run the previous night show.  This was piss poor management of a show in my opinion.




cajunis#1
September 22, 2013 at 10:40:26 AM
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That was some good old fashion bull shit last night/ this morning. The sprint heats should have been the first thing to race Saturday night that way they could have been the first a-main. It was bad enough to have to see all those modifieds and especially the B-mods But to make it worse, they ran the sprints last. 

 

I understand the weather derailed things but come on man... A little common sense goes a long way


305's are the herpes of sprint cars

Dryslick Willie
September 22, 2013 at 01:13:19 PM
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Best I can tell you is if you don't like it just don't go back.   Sprint cars are about the only thing I'll go out to the track to watch any more, but I will not sit through 150 modifieds to do it.    I stayed home from the ASCS race at KSP a couple of weeks ago because I won't sit through six other classes.    I went to the TMS show last year because I thought I was going to an ASCS race and didn't know I had to sit through 150 modifieds.   I won't make that mistake again.    If you didn't like it, I'd advise that you not make that mistake again either.   




oswald
September 22, 2013 at 01:38:57 PM
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Got to agree. I understand the need for a support class but 2 classes of mods with a total of 91 cars is bullcrap. I was watching the TMS update site and it was 9 mod heats then as many mod qualifiers then double D, C and B mains. Then the limited mods had about the same. They never evan put the sprint  car line ups on the site as of 1:30 am. So glad I live too far away to even consider going to that race.



BanditBen1
September 22, 2013 at 01:42:35 PM
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I went last year & hate to miss a race in my own backyard (live 10 minutes from the track), but besides the # of modifieds what disappointed me from last year was unlike the main track, you cannot bring any coolers/food into the dirt track. So your only option is to buy $4 bottled Cokes & $5 hot dogs comparable to what 7-11 sells for 99 cents. I get its a sporting event & prices are higher, but it just soured me on the whole deal. Oh yeah, last year they charged my 5 yr old full adult price ($25)! I am a TMS season ticket holder & used to be at the dirt track as well when the WOO ran there, but they need to take a look at what they do at the dirt track & rethink some stuff just like they've made fan friendly changes at the main track.



Budman88
September 22, 2013 at 01:50:32 PM
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All the above is true. I attended last year and although not a big modified fan, I enjoyed last years show. Races ran at a good pace, no "beaters" choking the field down with spins and crashes. I took a leap of faith Saturday when they stated the Friday show was starting and finishing before 7 PM. I left work in OKC early and was scheduled to be back at 6:30 Sunday morning. Out by 12-12:30 and grab a cat nap before work and all is good, right? I was appalled by the operation Saturday night. Why didn't Spanky's "Army" put on his dog and pony debacle while they were working the track?! I was able to watch 4 sprint heats and broke and ran with a real bad taste in my mouth. I wish I could have stayed, but probably would have been evn more upset. Lesson learned.




cajunis#1
September 22, 2013 at 03:34:17 PM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on September 22 2013 at 01:13:19 PM

Best I can tell you is if you don't like it just don't go back.   Sprint cars are about the only thing I'll go out to the track to watch any more, but I will not sit through 150 modifieds to do it.    I stayed home from the ASCS race at KSP a couple of weeks ago because I won't sit through six other classes.    I went to the TMS show last year because I thought I was going to an ASCS race and didn't know I had to sit through 150 modifieds.   I won't make that mistake again.    If you didn't like it, I'd advise that you not make that mistake again either.   



Don't worry, lesson was learned. busted ass to get from Tulsa to the track in hopes of not missing the sprinters, just to find out if I bought the ticket when I got there at 7:30 it would be $50 or I could wait in the car for 2more hrs and it would be $25. I watched the sprint heats and 2 hrs later said screw it and left

 

 

 


305's are the herpes of sprint cars

PLJ
September 22, 2013 at 07:52:53 PM
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If Eddie Gossage is still over TMS and the Dirt track he is and has made it clear he is not a Sprint Car fan.  Best thing is to BOYCOTT TMS DirtTrack and ASCS man up and tell Texas Dirt Track thanks but no thanks.  As many races as the ASCS has in TX they really don't need that place and to be treated like 2nd class citizens well that is all the reason to tell them thanks but no thanks.  Just curious to those that were there what was the crowd like at the beginning?


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TxOutlaw
September 22, 2013 at 09:40:38 PM
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Posted By: oswald on September 22 2013 at 01:38:57 PM

Got to agree. I understand the need for a support class but 2 classes of mods with a total of 91 cars is bullcrap. I was watching the TMS update site and it was 9 mod heats then as many mod qualifiers then double D, C and B mains. Then the limited mods had about the same. They never evan put the sprint  car line ups on the site as of 1:30 am. So glad I live too far away to even consider going to that race.




Oswald...I went to this race a few years ago and I was left with the impression ASCS was the "support class".  Back then I saw lots of promotion regarding the modified event, a two-night show etc., and that continues to be so.  I too am strictly a sprint car fan, my choice.  I realize a reasonable field of support classes is necessary, but I too choose to pass on sprint race events ala the KSP format.  Too much for this fan.  Lanny has shown wiseness in splitting his regular classes on two night ASCS events. Strictly sprint shows such as Short Track Nationals next month, Knoxville Nationals, etc are much more enjoyable to this fan.  You got to make your own personal decision of the cost/benefit ratio of every event.  I have not returned to TMS dirt track and will not until "sprint car" racing is the show.  Would encourage ASCS headquarters to study/review what works best for the drivers, crews, sponsors, and fans!  And that's my .02




oswald
September 22, 2013 at 11:53:56 PM
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Oswald...I went to this race a few years ago and I was left with the impression ASCS was the "support class".  Back then I saw lots of promotion regarding the modified event, a two-night show etc., and that continues to be so.  I too am strictly a sprint car fan, my choice.  I realize a reasonable field of support classes is necessary, but I too choose to pass on sprint race events ala the KSP format.  Too much for this fan.  Lanny has shown wiseness in splitting his regular classes on two night ASCS events. Strictly sprint shows such as Short Track Nationals next month, Knoxville Nationals, etc are much more enjoyable to this fan.  You got to make your own personal decision of the cost/benefit ratio of every event.  I have not returned to TMS dirt track and will not until "sprint car" racing is the show.  Would encourage ASCS headquarters to study/review what works best for the drivers, crews, sponsors, and fans!  And that's my .02



I agree. Maybee living just 83 miles from Knoxville where I see a sprints only show every week has spoiled me. The number and kind of support classes are taken into consideration before I go to any race, especially if it is a long drive. I would think the promoters would realize that part of their crowd was there for the sprints and space events in a way that you did not need to sit through 2 - 3 hours of mods to see a few sprint heats or a Main.



checkered48
September 23, 2013 at 06:17:13 AM
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The key thing here is the ascs sprints were the support class, the mods were the headliners!



chkiaar
September 23, 2013 at 06:24:05 AM
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What I thought was bad, they ran the 5 heats of sprint in the same time it toook to run ONE mod race.

And there was a red flag AND a fight. We left at one...we were cold and mod'd out. We drove from Texarkana. 




Dryslick Willie
September 23, 2013 at 06:58:14 AM
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Oswald...I went to this race a few years ago and I was left with the impression ASCS was the "support class".  Back then I saw lots of promotion regarding the modified event, a two-night show etc., and that continues to be so.  I too am strictly a sprint car fan, my choice.  I realize a reasonable field of support classes is necessary, but I too choose to pass on sprint race events ala the KSP format.  Too much for this fan.  Lanny has shown wiseness in splitting his regular classes on two night ASCS events. Strictly sprint shows such as Short Track Nationals next month, Knoxville Nationals, etc are much more enjoyable to this fan.  You got to make your own personal decision of the cost/benefit ratio of every event.  I have not returned to TMS dirt track and will not until "sprint car" racing is the show.  Would encourage ASCS headquarters to study/review what works best for the drivers, crews, sponsors, and fans!  And that's my .02



In the coming years I hope to do some more traveling to sprint only shows.    I'm glad to see there are some other fans out there that think the same way I do!



Dryslick Willie
September 23, 2013 at 06:59:13 AM
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Posted By: oswald on September 22 2013 at 11:53:56 PM

I agree. Maybee living just 83 miles from Knoxville where I see a sprints only show every week has spoiled me. The number and kind of support classes are taken into consideration before I go to any race, especially if it is a long drive. I would think the promoters would realize that part of their crowd was there for the sprints and space events in a way that you did not need to sit through 2 - 3 hours of mods to see a few sprint heats or a Main.



If you get to go Knoxville every week, then count me as jealous...



BBRJUNKIE
September 23, 2013 at 07:36:28 AM
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WOW... Makes 11:30 at Knoxville seem tame. 3 classes of sprint cars. I am at Knoxville almost every weekend, kinda get spoiled... when we travel somewhere else you take that chance of it being more than you can stand but I don`t blame anyone for walking out on that one. That would have made the ride home tough... just mad as hell.




spot1
September 23, 2013 at 09:19:40 AM
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Posted By: cajunis#1 on September 22 2013 at 10:40:26 AM

That was some good old fashion bull shit last night/ this morning. The sprint heats should have been the first thing to race Saturday night that way they could have been the first a-main. It was bad enough to have to see all those modifieds and especially the B-mods But to make it worse, they ran the sprints last. 

 

I understand the weather derailed things but come on man... A little common sense goes a long way



Wait a minute, here....................the modifieds were the headlining class and you're pissed that they treated the sprints like a second rate class at this race? You know what, they were were a second rate class here. So, here's what I take from this, a bunch of die hard sprint cars or nuthin fans attend a MODIFIED show that have sprint cars as a show filler and get pissed when the main class is run thru instead of the sprint cars. Am I right here? A little common sense here, too, would go a long way.

FYI, it was a MODIFIED show. But it does sound like a poorly run show, too.



kmossman
September 23, 2013 at 09:36:37 AM
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Spot, some of the folks here probably didn't realize that the modifieds were the major class for this event, but in the end, it really doesn't matter.  This would not have been fair to the fans if it had been a demo derby.  I live in Central Oklahoma and contemplated making the drive down.  Sure glad I didn't.


"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."

spot1
September 23, 2013 at 10:02:57 AM
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Spot, some of the folks here probably didn't realize that the modifieds were the major class for this event, but in the end, it really doesn't matter.  This would not have been fair to the fans if it had been a demo derby.  I live in Central Oklahoma and contemplated making the drive down.  Sure glad I didn't.



That very well could be but what they should be crabby about is the time involved here and how poorly the show was run. Not that the main class did get run thru first. Last weekend I was at Deer Creek for the World of Outlaws show and they saw they had rain moving in so they sped the Sprint Cars on thru so they could try and get them finished before the weather came in. They did and I would have expected no less than to try and get the main attraction done and, if there's time, get the support class in after that. That's the way it should always be done.




lkracecar
September 23, 2013 at 11:56:36 AM
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We did not go because of all the modifieds.  We did go the previous year, but there were too many modifieds for our sprint taste.



kmossman
September 23, 2013 at 01:58:18 PM
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Not trying to be a smart aleck here so don't flame me, but are there people who will drive some distance to see a modified race?  I know a number of people, mostly because of my friends in racing and their interests, who will drive hours for a sprint car race.  So I wonder if the same is true of mods fans or if they're just a big draw because of the back-gate they bring.


"I'd pay $15 to watch a sprint car sit still."



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