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David Smith Jr
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November 09, 2010 at 09:16:55 PM
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As a side note, NCRA will keep the same rules as they had last year and this year for their southern modified division for 2011 with the only possible change on the carb.

 

Southern SportMods get crate engine option next season
Rick VINTON, Iowa (Nov. 9) – The crate model option will be new in 2011 for IMCA’s Southern SportMods.

Drivers in the division can compete with an unaltered sealed GM no. 88958602 or 19258602 crate engine, which would not be subject to claim, or an engine that can be claimed for $550 in cash.

The same option was announced last week for IMCA Sunoco Hobby Stocks. The option has been in place for Karl Chevrolet Northern SportMods.

“The engine is cost effective, it’s competitive and it will give Southern SportMod drivers an option to the claim engine,” said IMCA Vice President of Operations Brett Root. “They are available from any GM Performance Parts dealer. Some of the largest GM dealerships in the nation are in Texas so most drivers will have the opportunity to get them close to home.”

Carburetor and ignition rules have been adjusted to meet needs of the crate engine and as of Jan. 1, 2012, drivers with claim engines must use a Holley 4412 500 cfm carburetor.

“Making this announcement now gives drivers an entire season to make plans for 2012,” Root explained. “A lot of them are already competing with a 4412 carb. The GM Quadrajet produces about 40 more horsepower. The Holley two barrel and the horsepower associated with it are more in line with the intent of the division.”

As in rules for the Northern SportMods and Hobby Stocks, drivers must display the type of engine they are running on the driver’s side front roof post.

Southern SportMod shock rules for 2011 specify the use of one steel non-adjustable shock per wheel. One or all shocks may be claimed for $50 each.

“This is consistent with every other IMCA class that has a shock claim rule,” Root said, “and will help defer the unnecessary cost of expensive shocks.”

Two Dynatech headers (part numbers GM 701-16210 or 701-10010) may be used in addition to the specified Schoenfeld headers.

Body issues were also addressed regarding the hood and roof. A minimum three inch gap is required between the spoiler brace and the end of the sail panel.


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downtheroad
November 09, 2010 at 09:25:21 PM
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Reply to:
Posted By: David Smith Jr on November 09 2010 at 09:16:55 PM

As a side note, NCRA will keep the same rules as they had last year and this year for their southern modified division for 2011 with the only possible change on the carb.

 

Southern SportMods get crate engine option next season
Rick VINTON, Iowa (Nov. 9) – The crate model option will be new in 2011 for IMCA’s Southern SportMods.

Drivers in the division can compete with an unaltered sealed GM no. 88958602 or 19258602 crate engine, which would not be subject to claim, or an engine that can be claimed for $550 in cash.

The same option was announced last week for IMCA Sunoco Hobby Stocks. The option has been in place for Karl Chevrolet Northern SportMods.

“The engine is cost effective, it’s competitive and it will give Southern SportMod drivers an option to the claim engine,” said IMCA Vice President of Operations Brett Root. “They are available from any GM Performance Parts dealer. Some of the largest GM dealerships in the nation are in Texas so most drivers will have the opportunity to get them close to home.”

Carburetor and ignition rules have been adjusted to meet needs of the crate engine and as of Jan. 1, 2012, drivers with claim engines must use a Holley 4412 500 cfm carburetor.

“Making this announcement now gives drivers an entire season to make plans for 2012,” Root explained. “A lot of them are already competing with a 4412 carb. The GM Quadrajet produces about 40 more horsepower. The Holley two barrel and the horsepower associated with it are more in line with the intent of the division.”

As in rules for the Northern SportMods and Hobby Stocks, drivers must display the type of engine they are running on the driver’s side front roof post.

Southern SportMod shock rules for 2011 specify the use of one steel non-adjustable shock per wheel. One or all shocks may be claimed for $50 each.

“This is consistent with every other IMCA class that has a shock claim rule,” Root said, “and will help defer the unnecessary cost of expensive shocks.”

Two Dynatech headers (part numbers GM 701-16210 or 701-10010) may be used in addition to the specified Schoenfeld headers.

Body issues were also addressed regarding the hood and roof. A minimum three inch gap is required between the spoiler brace and the end of the sail panel.



David,

Do you know if the NCRA is going to allow the 602 crate motor?



David Smith Jr
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November 10, 2010 at 03:43:33 PM
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Nope, no crate motors allowed in 2011.


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Sportmod5
November 10, 2010 at 04:37:04 PM
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Hello David,

Why would NCRA not allow the crate next year as well???

Is this something that has even been talked about by NCRA officials??

I'm thinking of getting a car ready for next year but it would be silly to not go ahead and get the crate motor now with IMCA going that direction.

I hope they reconsider this.

Thanks



David Smith Jr
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November 10, 2010 at 05:10:18 PM
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(316) 755-1781 and let them know. There are things I wish for the series and its divisions as well but my views differ from that of the powers to be I guess......


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Glen Chapa
November 10, 2010 at 05:31:27 PM
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well since we talkin rules...

Whats yall opinions on the IMCA 7800 chip rule in mods




jrracer
November 10, 2010 at 06:02:47 PM
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I'm for the 7800 chip rule in mods!



cross19c
November 10, 2010 at 07:06:15 PM
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I understand that IMCA is just trying to keep the cost down and to level the playing field with the 7800 chip and doing away with the lift arm, but I also saw that they are making the late models run a 8000 chip. I think that it has both its perks and downfalls as now , yes it may even the competition and keep cost down but now people are going to find other areas to improve their lap times and IMCA will find out then add a rule to regulate it to where the mods are going to end up with a sealed turn key motor nobody can touch and back to the three link cars. Let a modified be a modified.

choate7c
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November 10, 2010 at 09:24:01 PM
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i like the crate motor idea,




Glen Chapa
November 11, 2010 at 04:59:52 AM
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I know I would like Oklahoma tracks to adapt that rule



Sportmod5
November 11, 2010 at 10:14:17 AM
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I understand David.

Maybe Ed Beckley will chim in on this thread and let us know what he intends to do in Enid?

If he's going to run allot of NCRA sport mod shows maybe he can call them and let him know his thoughts.

I doubt it would do any good for a few of us to call NCRA offices, not that they wouldn't listen it's just not likely they will let the racer's decide how their going to go.

Thanks anyway.

 



downtheroad
November 11, 2010 at 12:15:23 PM
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I think the crate motor would be good thing also. Their are people out their spending two and three times the amount of a crate motor. You buy a crate motor from CITY CHEVY out of N. C. for $3090 plus freight . Most of us sportmod drivers has aleast that much in the motors that they have now.

I like the way the Imca is going with the 2bbl only in 2012 unless you run the crate motor.


CT350 CRATE ENGINE/ NEW VERSION




David Smith Jr
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November 11, 2010 at 12:44:29 PM
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The crate motor deal opens up alot of possibilites for both race tracks and sanctioning bodies. Let's say that you buy that $3600 crate motor from Hudiburg Chevrolet. Well, in turn, Hudiburg would contribute a % of motors sold too either the race tracks point fund or the sanctioning bodies point fund. Would be known as the "Hudiburg Chevrolet sport mod division" or something of the sort

You get 50 drivers to buy that crate motor and if the sanctioning body or race track gets 10% of that $3600 motor that was sold, that would be $360 times fifty drivers, that would be $18,000 dollars for a point fund. Even if you go 5% of motors sold goes too the driver point fund and track promoter/sanctioning body that would still be $9000.

I would think the teching would be easier and things much simplified. Problem is, the majority of these tracks in Oklahoma have their own rules and God for bid anybody make a change.


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Sportmod75
November 11, 2010 at 01:34:28 PM
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What about the guy like myself that has piled up alot of junk and doesn't have 3000 to spend in a motor. I have 3 and don't have 3000 in all together. Alot of them are junk someone else didn't want but it allows me to run without spending a ton of money. Just my opinion not saying someone elses is wrong. The problem with the sportmod motor rule is they got out of hand way to fast should have stayed cast piston stock crank and rods and stock heads.

David Smith Jr
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November 11, 2010 at 01:44:04 PM
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That is another scenrio to think about. If you are in that boat then I am sure there are others as well. That would have to be figured out.

Good post..


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Sportmod5
November 11, 2010 at 01:47:46 PM
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Your on the right track David.

NCRA has enough pull they could go to GM for the kick back. Guys could buy those motors at any dealership across the state.

Maybe the IMCA is already doing that!

 



mrm15
November 11, 2010 at 02:29:12 PM
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I have never run a crate but i like the idea because it is simple, you do not have to figure out what pistons, cam, ect. i have some blocks, heads, and cranks but it still cost $2500-$3000 to build and have quality machine work. I tried the cheap machine shop on heads and the were junk (cracked seats) quality machine work costs a little more but sometimes you get what you pay for.



choate7c
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November 11, 2010 at 04:55:11 PM
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i agree with david 100%. its a win win in my opinion. as far as the tech goes it would be so easy your local orielly's guy could do it.




Sportmod75
November 11, 2010 at 05:02:41 PM
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Except for the cheatter bolt kits that they already sell on the internet. I do agree it will be easier to keep the playin field more equal.

P Colby
November 11, 2010 at 05:06:14 PM
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I wish imca would just leave shit alone. I agree we have a problem with the cost of the sportmod motors and the blame is on IMCA if they would have left the engines alone in 08 we would not have this problem. I know of alot of guys my self included that are in the same boat as Sportmod75 we would have to do something else if they go to a crate motor. I think the 2 barrel only deal is a great idea. What sucks is we just decided last month to go ahead and purchase a good quadrajet and they ain't cheap. Now they are changing the rules. Just another costly change for the racer. They need to lock the rules in for 5 yrs and only make safety changes. Just my 2 cents



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