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catpuppy
August 23, 2010 at 07:25:54 PM
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http://www.legendsnation.com/news/2010/archive/08-21-Bruton-Smith-and-Ray-Evernham-Team-Up-to-Launch-New-Dirt-Track-Series-for-US-Legend-Cars.html


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filtalr
August 24, 2010 at 12:54:20 AM
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This message was edited on August 24, 2010 at 01:06:34 AM by filtalr

Those Sam Bass concept cars look pretty damn cool. Kind of a cross between a midget and a supermodified. I absolutely love the old dirt supers ... brings back a lot of memories...


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brian26
August 24, 2010 at 12:58:14 AM
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"like"





vanh
August 24, 2010 at 06:37:06 AM
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Good looking car



Openwheel
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August 24, 2010 at 08:27:45 AM
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How many classes of openwheel cars we need? I will admit I "like" the old style CAE supermodified even though it looks like a tank weight wise.

Wonder what happened to that spec midget look-a-like class they were pushing back east a while back? It go by the wayside so now we are trying this? Wasn't Everham behind that deal too? It amazes me how much I hear they are spending on the "spec" Legend cars now to run up front.

And oh yeah..........That "Thunder Car" is/was a smashing success. Hope this one does better.



vanh
August 24, 2010 at 11:13:53 AM
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Posted By: Openwheel on August 24 2010 at 08:27:45 AM

How many classes of openwheel cars we need? I will admit I "like" the old style CAE supermodified even though it looks like a tank weight wise.

Wonder what happened to that spec midget look-a-like class they were pushing back east a while back? It go by the wayside so now we are trying this? Wasn't Everham behind that deal too? It amazes me how much I hear they are spending on the "spec" Legend cars now to run up front.

And oh yeah..........That "Thunder Car" is/was a smashing success. Hope this one does better.



So let me guess that you don't like the idea or Ray?




SVMike
August 24, 2010 at 12:01:41 PM
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Cool looking little car. I like it! Hopefully they don't add fenders or side-pods to these things before rolling them out.



brian26
August 24, 2010 at 12:48:47 PM
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Posted By: Openwheel on August 24 2010 at 08:27:45 AM

How many classes of openwheel cars we need? I will admit I "like" the old style CAE supermodified even though it looks like a tank weight wise.

Wonder what happened to that spec midget look-a-like class they were pushing back east a while back? It go by the wayside so now we are trying this? Wasn't Everham behind that deal too? It amazes me how much I hear they are spending on the "spec" Legend cars now to run up front.

And oh yeah..........That "Thunder Car" is/was a smashing success. Hope this one does better.



Yeah, this could fail too.

 

But how many 'open wheel classes with sprint car styled tails and wings' do we really need. Sure the racers like it--but you cannot race and sit in the stands at the same time! IF YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT CROWD POPULATION, MAY I SUGGEST YOU JOIN THE SCCA. They have been running for no money for years without a crowd to brag about.

 

To quote Karl Kinser on the growing numbers of sprint car classes in the 90's- "Might be a problem with oversaturation". Oversaturation is killing the crowd growth the worst. Which in turn kills the money growth for the racers.

 

Seems like winged sprinters, or a version based on the look, are racing everywhere today. I LOVE HAMBURGERS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I WANT TO SEE THE IMAGE , OR EAT THEM EVERYDAY.

Oh, and what about 5-6 classes needed to keep a racetrack operation solvent? The promoters are only working with what they can get. If this class were to grow, and keep growing- then a class of cars that do not grow would be eliminated from the operation.

I see people pumping money into slot machines everyday (rather I see the parking lots well filled), and I find it interesting that noisy slot machines are more entertaining than dirt track racing today for the masses.




Hannity
August 24, 2010 at 01:26:42 PM
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I am still trying to digest the new car/idea.

With that said, I wish there was more emphasis placed on improving and growing our existing sprint car platform.




brian26
August 24, 2010 at 01:45:09 PM
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Posted By: Hannity on August 24 2010 at 01:26:42 PM

I am still trying to digest the new car/idea.

With that said, I wish there was more emphasis placed on improving and growing our existing sprint car platform.



You have everything out there now, what else do you need?




Openwheel
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August 24, 2010 at 02:03:03 PM
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It's not that I dislike Ray or this idea......I just don't think we need additional classes competing for track time. And like I mentioned, the "thunder roadster" and that four cylinder midget deal didn't fly as expected so the track record for some of the ones ram-rodding this deal isn't to good if you ask me. Just seems to me looking at the car and considering what motor might be, this deal is going to be somewhat underpowered.

Like mentioned, who's coming out of the stands to participate with these cars? Maybe some will drop whatever class they are in and switch to this class? Doubt it.

I am not in favor of some of these "spec" classes. You could run a midpack 360 sprint car for what some of these guys are spending on a Legends car. I am assuming this car is going to run the same motor as the established Legends? I do like the looks though......but I'm an "old school" type of guy.



JonR
August 24, 2010 at 03:19:54 PM
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This message was edited on August 24, 2010 at 03:22:11 PM by JonR

When this was first announced, I was very excited. A couple days later not so much.

It states that it is going to be an entry level division. However, all of the cars are going to be built by one company. It seems that these two facts are in direct competition with each other.

Don't need another way for sombody to spend $15,000 dollars to go racing. There is already a lot of different ways to currently do that.

It will be interesting to see the price point on this car. When they say entry level, I think that they have a different idea than most racers do.




Some Guy In Texas
August 24, 2010 at 04:23:25 PM
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I personally think the car is great looking and I believe in the people behind it; they do it the right way and are successful for a reason. (it isn't LUCK, in case you were wondering)

I see a common trend in this forum, not sure if it is true across all racing, that people don't like the concept of buying a ready-to-race engine. People want to build it themselves. Spec engines must have 666 written on them because I hear a lot of flack about them.

I understand the issue: $$$. People want to build it themselves to save a dollar and some to show their brilliance & do it better than the other guy.

Thunder Roadster is the one referenced above; I thought the same thing. Cool idea... not the best execution. They just look weird. Missed the boat on that one.

There are hundreds and hundreds of people running Legends cars.. .so the entirety of the concept must be pretty good. The results don't lie.

Would you rather see Legends cars single file on a little asphalt track or some of these new cars slinging clay?

Plan B for me.



brian26
August 24, 2010 at 06:44:01 PM
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Posted By: Some Guy In Texas on August 24 2010 at 04:23:25 PM

I personally think the car is great looking and I believe in the people behind it; they do it the right way and are successful for a reason. (it isn't LUCK, in case you were wondering)

I see a common trend in this forum, not sure if it is true across all racing, that people don't like the concept of buying a ready-to-race engine. People want to build it themselves. Spec engines must have 666 written on them because I hear a lot of flack about them.

I understand the issue: $$$. People want to build it themselves to save a dollar and some to show their brilliance & do it better than the other guy.

Thunder Roadster is the one referenced above; I thought the same thing. Cool idea... not the best execution. They just look weird. Missed the boat on that one.

There are hundreds and hundreds of people running Legends cars.. .so the entirety of the concept must be pretty good. The results don't lie.

Would you rather see Legends cars single file on a little asphalt track or some of these new cars slinging clay?

Plan B for me.



The thunder roadsters were WAY off the mark. The only good thing I can say about those is I got to see Lloyd Ruby, Parnelli Jones, and a bunch of other guys from Indy past go at it on the little track at TMS. That was very cool, and I even had great seats too!

 

But the Thunder Roadsters ended up looking like "big boy bumper cars". Kinda like open wheel without the nerve to be open wheeled. Toss in the roll cages and the lines being goofy, then the cost, well it went nowhere.Hopefully this new venture will stay true to the original idea enough to stay appealing. Time will tell. Considering money and power will be needed to get this off the ground, Smith and Evernham along with the right people could make this a "go". and yes, they have been working with some very good people on this, some you know from the old days of the WoO, NCRA etc.

 

The engines for the super idea is I hear a 1200 cc, hardly what I would call entry level when you consider the outlaw mini sprints that could stay with a mid pack 360 on the smaller tracks. I PREFER a V8 in anything, but there seems to be no room for racing in the open wheeled, upright v8 powered world right now for supermodifieds. The mindset just isn't there. Soooo much emphasis has been put on outlaw sprint car imagery, that the 'image' is on everything from go-karts to 410 WoO sprinters.

 

They do race dirt supermods down under though and it is surviving.




brian26
August 24, 2010 at 06:57:07 PM
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And while all of this is going on, I am connecting and have been connecting people that are building full size vintage cars. People who got out of racing a long time ago. ... yes, the ones who said they'd never be back.





brian26
August 24, 2010 at 07:18:19 PM
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Right now, these are the two hottest designs people want to copy if they wish to build a full size vintage super from scratch. I get emails and calls regularly on either.

 

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brian26
August 24, 2010 at 07:22:29 PM
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My two faves. Guess whut? NCRA supermodifieds contributed MUCH to the evolvement of todays sprint car.




The Pirate
August 24, 2010 at 07:33:16 PM
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The only super modified racing they do down under (here in Australia) is in Vintage racing where there are only a handful of cars.




darnall
August 24, 2010 at 08:15:02 PM
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My gosh just looking at a pic of that Jack kelley #6 car makes my pulse raise quite a bit. What a beautiful yet nasty lookin ride.


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brian26
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