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Stroker_Race
August 20, 2018 at 11:41:31 AM
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So last night I am scrolling through twitter and I see IBRACN on there griping about a fuel stop at the All Star race in Lebanon Valley.  The rational expressed was "bigger tanks or fill them up."   I take exception to both comments and here is why.  I know for a fact that most, if not all teams do fill them up before an A-main.  Has this guy or any of you other folks ever done the math on laps per gallon?  The size of the track?  Have you ever considered if the track is still hammer down (= more fuel consumption) vs slicked off?  Have you ever actually run a stop-watch as to how long the cars were actually running?  How about this?  Have you ever considered that these guys start with a 196 pound bomb strapped to their ass (28 gallons times 7 pounds = 196 lbs) already?  If you want to make the tanks bigger, you are just adding more weight and a bigger bomb.  I know everyone here has witnessed a fuel tank come flying off during a nasty crash.  By adding a bigger tank and more fuel you are making it easier for the tank to come off. (more moving mass).  What if for some unGodly reason the tank ends up in the stands?  The older generation of sprint car fan can remember that up until about 10-15 years ago, all red flags were open, changing tires during the red was legal even with no penalty.  There never were fuel stops back then because during any red you could add fuel.  My point is that I think the way we do things right now are fine.  I would rather have a quick fuel stop vs a race being determined by fuel mileage.  All the teams know the lap count and stop-watch count for when they can add fuel.  I say leave it alone and quit your griping. 




dsc1600
August 20, 2018 at 11:58:49 AM
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Fuel stops and open reds suck. No one is saying to have 50 gallon tanks but mandating a 33 gallon tank would help eliminate these unnecessary delays. 

Sprints at the Valley suck anyway, so it’s not like the fans were robbed of some great finish most likely.



steelcityguy
August 20, 2018 at 12:44:57 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on August 20 2018 at 11:58:49 AM

Fuel stops and open reds suck. No one is saying to have 50 gallon tanks but mandating a 33 gallon tank would help eliminate these unnecessary delays. 

Sprints at the Valley suck anyway, so it’s not like the fans were robbed of some great finish most likely.



I got news for ya, watch the highlights. Was a pretty decent race for the win between McIntyre, Swindell and Zearfoss.




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August 20, 2018 at 12:47:53 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on August 20 2018 at 11:58:49 AM

Fuel stops and open reds suck. No one is saying to have 50 gallon tanks but mandating a 33 gallon tank would help eliminate these unnecessary delays. 

Sprints at the Valley suck anyway, so it’s not like the fans were robbed of some great finish most likely.



If we are running 2nd, I will take every open red I can get. If we are leading, open reds blow.

DA



dsc1600
August 20, 2018 at 02:07:06 PM
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This message was edited on August 20, 2018 at 02:07:35 PM by dsc1600

Fuel stops and open reds with a lap to go is bush league and doesn’t attract anyone to sprint car racing. 



trecraft
August 20, 2018 at 02:28:10 PM
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Back in the prewhine days at Tri City Speedway in the Franklin, PA area they had a 100 lapper late in the season.  Shortly after lap 90 little by little as cars ran out of fuel they drifted into the infield and parked.  One of those  with enough fuel eventually won.  The next year they had the same event.  Shortly after lap 90, ...................




Johnny Utah
August 20, 2018 at 02:55:35 PM
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Interesting... I give less than a shit about fuel stops. I just don't care. Doesn't mean I'm right.

Interesting story though. I once took a buddy to see his first 410 race. In the feature there was a fuel stop because of the caution laps accrued. He asked what was happening, and I told him what was going on. I'll never forget his response, he said, "This is bullshit! This is not what I paid to see! This is not real sprint car racing! I will never return to spend my hard earned money because of this goddamn fuel stop!!!"

Just kidding. His real response after my explanation was, "Oh....... Hey, gimme a beer." He's been back numerous times since.



revjimk
August 20, 2018 at 02:59:14 PM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on August 20 2018 at 12:44:57 PM

I got news for ya, watch the highlights. Was a pretty decent race for the win between McIntyre, Swindell and Zearfoss.



Thanks for the update.....I didn't go cause every time  I've been there its been follow the leader. But looking at the results, looks like there was actually some passing....cool

Now I'm gonna watch the highlights, thanks again



revjimk
August 20, 2018 at 03:00:36 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on August 20 2018 at 02:55:35 PM

Interesting... I give less than a shit about fuel stops. I just don't care. Doesn't mean I'm right.

Interesting story though. I once took a buddy to see his first 410 race. In the feature there was a fuel stop because of the caution laps accrued. He asked what was happening, and I told him what was going on. I'll never forget his response, he said, "This is bullshit! This is not what I paid to see! This is not real sprint car racing! I will never return to spend my hard earned money because of this goddamn fuel stop!!!"

Just kidding. His real response after my explanation was, "Oh....... Hey, gimme a beer." He's been back numerous times since.



oh, a weisenheimer.... wink




rpaulson
August 20, 2018 at 04:42:08 PM
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Even if you strap on a 33 gallon tank, at some point there will be enough yellow laps that you sill still need a fuel stop. do you all really want to see the top 5 drop out with 1~2 laps to go and the 6th place car pick up the win?



sprintcarfanatic
August 20, 2018 at 07:21:52 PM
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Depends on who it is there Ross. Kinda like the Royal Blowout. Kemenah looked to have his 1st big win instead it was Sides.

Always have been an Underdog kinda guy.



egras
August 20, 2018 at 08:29:52 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on August 20 2018 at 02:55:35 PM

Interesting... I give less than a shit about fuel stops. I just don't care. Doesn't mean I'm right.

Interesting story though. I once took a buddy to see his first 410 race. In the feature there was a fuel stop because of the caution laps accrued. He asked what was happening, and I told him what was going on. I'll never forget his response, he said, "This is bullshit! This is not what I paid to see! This is not real sprint car racing! I will never return to spend my hard earned money because of this goddamn fuel stop!!!"

Just kidding. His real response after my explanation was, "Oh....... Hey, gimme a beer." He's been back numerous times since.



You're the shit Johnny....................pass me a beer




tojo97905
August 20, 2018 at 08:42:11 PM
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For me personally I don't like the fact their are races with PLANNED fuel stops, Iron Man and Knoxville Nationals....it's sprint car racing, not an enduro.



Johnny Gibson
August 20, 2018 at 10:30:03 PM
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Iron Man 55 does NOT have a "planned" fuel stop. If it went catution free (or even with only 1 or 2 cautions) we could make it without fueling. 



egras
August 21, 2018 at 07:07:22 AM
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This message was edited on August 21, 2018 at 07:08:15 AM by egras
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on August 20 2018 at 11:41:31 AM

So last night I am scrolling through twitter and I see IBRACN on there griping about a fuel stop at the All Star race in Lebanon Valley.  The rational expressed was "bigger tanks or fill them up."   I take exception to both comments and here is why.  I know for a fact that most, if not all teams do fill them up before an A-main.  Has this guy or any of you other folks ever done the math on laps per gallon?  The size of the track?  Have you ever considered if the track is still hammer down (= more fuel consumption) vs slicked off?  Have you ever actually run a stop-watch as to how long the cars were actually running?  How about this?  Have you ever considered that these guys start with a 196 pound bomb strapped to their ass (28 gallons times 7 pounds = 196 lbs) already?  If you want to make the tanks bigger, you are just adding more weight and a bigger bomb.  I know everyone here has witnessed a fuel tank come flying off during a nasty crash.  By adding a bigger tank and more fuel you are making it easier for the tank to come off. (more moving mass).  What if for some unGodly reason the tank ends up in the stands?  The older generation of sprint car fan can remember that up until about 10-15 years ago, all red flags were open, changing tires during the red was legal even with no penalty.  There never were fuel stops back then because during any red you could add fuel.  My point is that I think the way we do things right now are fine.  I would rather have a quick fuel stop vs a race being determined by fuel mileage.  All the teams know the lap count and stop-watch count for when they can add fuel.  I say leave it alone and quit your griping. 



I agree

I have never had an issue with stopping for fuel.  Some do---which is fine.  I didn't mind when they went to double file restarts in the WoO.  If they decided to go back to single file, I'd support that too as I'm sure they would have a reason.  There are a lot who hate the heats being lined up with no invert. (at regular shows)  I feel like they had good reason for that as well and so far, it hasn't caused too much issue.  If they want to switch to a 4 or 6 car invert in the future, I'll support that as well.  If they want to get rid of time trials and run two heats, I'm for that. 

As long as these sanctioning bodies are making changes they feel necessary to improve the product, promote fairness, and keep everyone safe, I'm for it.  Just remember, it's not always going to make everyone happy, everytime.  Remember, the 50 laps at the Knoxville Nationals in 2010 was going to kill the event.  Anyone go the last couple of years?  I am pretty sure that event is as healthy as it's ever been.  (Unless you're upset there was no E-main on Saturday night.  I know I wasn't)




maddog53
August 21, 2018 at 07:29:27 AM
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Posted By: egras on August 21 2018 at 07:07:22 AM

I agree

I have never had an issue with stopping for fuel.  Some do---which is fine.  I didn't mind when they went to double file restarts in the WoO.  If they decided to go back to single file, I'd support that too as I'm sure they would have a reason.  There are a lot who hate the heats being lined up with no invert. (at regular shows)  I feel like they had good reason for that as well and so far, it hasn't caused too much issue.  If they want to switch to a 4 or 6 car invert in the future, I'll support that as well.  If they want to get rid of time trials and run two heats, I'm for that. 

As long as these sanctioning bodies are making changes they feel necessary to improve the product, promote fairness, and keep everyone safe, I'm for it.  Just remember, it's not always going to make everyone happy, everytime.  Remember, the 50 laps at the Knoxville Nationals in 2010 was going to kill the event.  Anyone go the last couple of years?  I am pretty sure that event is as healthy as it's ever been.  (Unless you're upset there was no E-main on Saturday night.  I know I wasn't)



Egras, you know my feelings on fuel stops.  I don't like them, but it won't stop me from going to the Nats.  As far as no E on Saturday, the only thing I can think of that is negative about there not being one, is that it took away an opportunity for another beer break.  Carry on......



blazer00
August 21, 2018 at 08:45:18 AM
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Posted By: egras on August 21 2018 at 07:07:22 AM

I agree

I have never had an issue with stopping for fuel.  Some do---which is fine.  I didn't mind when they went to double file restarts in the WoO.  If they decided to go back to single file, I'd support that too as I'm sure they would have a reason.  There are a lot who hate the heats being lined up with no invert. (at regular shows)  I feel like they had good reason for that as well and so far, it hasn't caused too much issue.  If they want to switch to a 4 or 6 car invert in the future, I'll support that as well.  If they want to get rid of time trials and run two heats, I'm for that. 

As long as these sanctioning bodies are making changes they feel necessary to improve the product, promote fairness, and keep everyone safe, I'm for it.  Just remember, it's not always going to make everyone happy, everytime.  Remember, the 50 laps at the Knoxville Nationals in 2010 was going to kill the event.  Anyone go the last couple of years?  I am pretty sure that event is as healthy as it's ever been.  (Unless you're upset there was no E-main on Saturday night.  I know I wasn't)



I agree too. As for the fifty lapper at Knoxville, have loved it from the beginning. As much as my family enjoyed the Nationals, having always gone for all four nights, Saturday night for me in a way was always anti-climactic.....sounds strange, I know. It was always, "well we anticipated three nights of flat out racing to get here, and now in just thirty laps it's all over for another year"......So the fifty lapper with the pit stop gave a re-birth to the excitement, for me anyway. Sure, the first portion of the race may be more about a driver getting or keeping himself in the postition to win, with the second portion being the payoff, but that break does create a needed sense of anticipation to the Saturday night show, imo. I do know ther's a buzz in the crowd during that stop. Another chance to share opinions and back up original predictions or change a prediction and discuss why. I'd say it's been a good thing to go to the fifty lapper as they have. 



MSPN
August 21, 2018 at 11:35:52 AM
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I remember a few years back there was a Fuel Stop in a HEAT RACE, think it was PA, help my memory out here somebody.

I also remember something almost as weird, ONE car finishing the last two or three laps of a heat race, this time I was there, very strange....




egras
August 21, 2018 at 02:23:57 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on August 21 2018 at 08:45:18 AM

I agree too. As for the fifty lapper at Knoxville, have loved it from the beginning. As much as my family enjoyed the Nationals, having always gone for all four nights, Saturday night for me in a way was always anti-climactic.....sounds strange, I know. It was always, "well we anticipated three nights of flat out racing to get here, and now in just thirty laps it's all over for another year"......So the fifty lapper with the pit stop gave a re-birth to the excitement, for me anyway. Sure, the first portion of the race may be more about a driver getting or keeping himself in the postition to win, with the second portion being the payoff, but that break does create a needed sense of anticipation to the Saturday night show, imo. I do know ther's a buzz in the crowd during that stop. Another chance to share opinions and back up original predictions or change a prediction and discuss why. I'd say it's been a good thing to go to the fifty lapper as they have. 



I always tell those that don't like the fuel stop to picture the A-main at the Nationals as this:  A 25 lap dash, followed by the 25 lap A-main!   Pretty much what it is and I actually really enjoy the drama. 

Like you said, it took the Saturday night championship event from being a "meh" night sometimes, to always having a buzz to it. 

Maddog--I know you're not a fan.  But hey, you also told me you were moving there so must not hate it too much!  wink





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