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March 03, 2008 at
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Wow ,they not only drive ,but they have intelligent thoughts and opinions.Tony Jones steeped up and publicly expressed his views,others followed suit.Check out USAC$$$$$ thread,an opinion .attributed to Jerry Coons jr.,and this thread a Casey Shuman 's thoughts .I'm still curious of the opinions of any others involved in USAC/CRA......somebody said something about this being the wrong forum ...you know you can go back to that statement and delete it,it would be like you never said that.......just a thought.
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Tony Jones:
When Kevin Miller came into office as ceo/president to change the finances of USAC about 5 people got fired. Weather that was good or bad business thats no for us to decide. Him taking the point funds away from ALL of USAC's divisions EXCEPT national sprints is ALL of our business. That pretty much changed the attitudes of alot of people about how USAC/ Kevin Miller started his term as president. If you thought you had dead weight in your office fine, but coming after the people who support the tracks we race at every weekend and bring as many people as possible to keep this sport alive THATS CRAZY
I have no reason to ever doubt Tony Jones, but if the above is true and our western sprinters (CRA) are running with no series' point fund this year then Kevin Miller may very well be CRAZY! If this is true look for small fields of sprint cars this year. Can someone, who knows please comment on this matter?
"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops" - The
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Right on Tony and Casey thank you.
1- USAC needs to honor their promises and words. As of now their word is not very good.
2-USAC needs to make it clear what the point fund is for 2008 CLEARLY SPELLING IT OUT
3-Team owners and drivers need to GET IT IN WRITING, these promises are then (hopefully) legally binding.
4- Lots of rules and regulations for teams, drivers. Its about time to put the shoe on the other foot and make USAC abide by some stipulations given to them.
5- Kevin Miller needs to have a BS session with the teams here in the far far WEST
6-OR the West coast have a BS session with ASCS
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Posted By: JayP on March 03 2008 at 02:19:49 PM
Right on Tony and Casey thank you.
1- USAC needs to honor their promises and words. As of now their word is not very good.
2-USAC needs to make it clear what the point fund is for 2008 CLEARLY SPELLING IT OUT
3-Team owners and drivers need to GET IT IN WRITING, these promises are then (hopefully) legally binding.
4- Lots of rules and regulations for teams, drivers. Its about time to put the shoe on the other foot and make USAC abide by some stipulations given to them.
5- Kevin Miller needs to have a BS session with the teams here in the far far WEST
6-OR the West coast have a BS session with ASCS
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As my post count over the last few years shows, I don't offer my opinion that much anymore, simply because I a not as involved, BUT I will say this.
We were warned this would happen. I sat with Ron and Paula on many occasions and Ron's #1 concern was safety, #2 PAY.
In fact, if some remember, I did a few safety forums with SCRA and Ron gave me a wide berth to be able to achieve what was the goal, being the safest association in the country. The second goal, of which he never stopped talking about was how to get the racers more money.
USAC does not appear to to care whether they have car counts or not. Remember when SCRA had 44 cars average? Yes it happened in 2000. I'm not sure what the count was in 01, but then came the average car count in a USAC race of 22.
Sorry guys, you don't need USAC, or ASCS or any other governing body, you need the guys that live where we race to manage the racing where they live.
Racers can only race for fun for so long.
Tony can tell you that when things are going good racing, it is a great supplementary income for the driver. And a good team can actually buy a few things they need with the money they earn, or used to be able to.
Tony won a few SCRA races and can tell you that the $2500 to win was good, but along with that came the product help for the owners and let me tell you, those gift certificates helped out. I won a dash at Ventura and was shocked to see how many certificates I got.
I just think that the people that race here need to sit down and see what should happen, because if USAC continues to run things this way, there won't be ANY sprint car racing in SO-CAL.
Just my opinion
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March 03, 2008 at
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Like I've always said, "loved to see USAC come to town and loved to see them leave". Kind of like when relatives come to visit.
There is no CRA anymore, I've said that from the beginning of this deal. They stole the identity of something I have identified with all my life even when it changed to SCRA. Our identity as west coast/AZ driver and others was taken and I miss it. I read a column recently in HOSEHEADS, that said it all, and this man believed it. He said the reason that the CRA guys did so poorly at the Copper on dirt was because CRA was just "weekend warriors". Maybe part of that is true but we have put it to the USAC guys before and can again. WAG THIS! When in the hell have we ever had a attitude like that? It pissed me off!
Kenny
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Like I have said many times before, it isnt the 3 to 7 letter Acronym for the organization that matters it is the Name of the Track, Car Owner and Driver (You can pick your own order of importance if you want to) that matter! It sickens me to no end that everyone seems to be taking it in the shorts here and it truly is everyone! The bottom line is costs have to be brought under control and until someone has the Cajones to do that no matter what happens it is going to be the same dance just a different song. Right now we are dealing with Rap music because no one can understand what the heck is going on because no one can understand what the other is doing and it is all noise! Until all sides can work together and get a good harmony working together all we are going to get is noise and all that does is drive people away from the music we all love to hear!
Joe
PS. It is pure crazy that the 1st place pays less then it was when I started going to the races 25 years ago! It is pure crazy that engines cost $35k! I could go on forever but I gotta go feed horses and chickens and head off to work!
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Posted By: racerdon on March 01 2008 at 09:16:52 AM
Like was previously stated opinion's are like A holes everybody's got one! And everybody has the right to be wrong.
1. Sttmn is wrong when saying Mr, Jennings should not post the article by Matt Calkins. The only thing detrimental to sprint car racing is USAC.
2. USAC/CRA car owners must feel like mushrooms, because they have been kept in the dark and feed BS for along time. Just read Kop's post.
3.It's like Robbin Miller, of the speed channel, said not long ago "USAC has some of the best racing and the worst management there is".
4. If the USAC/CRA car owners where smart, which they may not be , they would band together and try and reorganize SCRA or talk with ASCS and form a non wing 410 Pacific division.
5. I find it surprising that Buzzard would say " to hell with USAC", but I have to agree with him. And VRA is a good show.
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Care to explain #5 to me?
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Posted By: CBawls on February 29 2008 at 12:52:39 AM
I seem to remember that USAC said they would be able to run the shows at the 3 tracks for less money from the promoters and still pay more to the car owners because of national sponsorships,etc. The promoters were trying to get a handle on their costs and increase their profits. For that, I have no problem. As everyone is aware, the costs have increased, not only for the fuel, tires, engines and everything else that is involved in just getting a car to the track, but also the pit passes, entry fees, and on and on. Without any first hand knowledge, I would make an educated guess and say that a substantial amount of the racers dollars are going to USAC headquarters. Some of this may cover insurance premiums for each race, but I have also heard of some large paychecks to some top officials. If they have a "floating"championship fund, then they need to be upfront with the racers.
What are the options for the West Coast teams? They can continue to run USAC/CRA and try to make some "adjustments" to the costs and payouts and perhaps convince USAC/CRA that for the most part, the racers are not touring professional teams that have unlimited funds
Another option is for the track/tracks to form their own association. That appears to be a successful move by Naylor in Ventura. Getting the tracks to work together, getting good insurance for the racers, getting a decent purse for the racers and getting some people to run the thing are BIG problems to overcome. The bottom line is that if the tracks are not making a profit, they won't be around long. So support your local tracks and racers. USAC, don't bite the hand that feeds you!
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I hope you're not serious in regards to the option of having the tracks form their own 410 series.
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Posted By: Tripcrwn on February 29 2008 at 02:13:11 PM
If I were Miller, I would get on the first plane out here for a sit down with the drivers and owners of CRA. Hopefully this meet would resolve the unrest. The PAS is blameless in this controvery but should be included in any meeting between Miller and the CRA crew. And why can't USAC let the drivers and owners know what the season point fund is well before the season begins. Could ASCS be an option? Just my two cents.
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The PAS is blameless, WOW. You've got to be kidding.
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Posted By: mach5racer on March 03 2008 at 07:26:22 PM
I hope you're not serious in regards to the option of having the tracks form their own 410 series.
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Might be OK if they were a partner, not the sole owner.
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I want to start by saying thank you to guys like Tony and Casey for standing up for what one deserves. I rarely check the message board because it seems as though it's a bunch of negativity towards certain drivers that pour their hearts into this sport and only to be plastered on a message board by those that think otherwise. I received a call the other day and was told to check the message board, it was in response to the lack of point fund money that was awarded at the end of the year. I wasn't going to post a response, but the more I thought about it I thought it was the right thing to do. So here's my take; If Tony Jones is wrong (which I know damn well he isn't) in what he is doing, why doesn't Kevin Miller slide his chair out from behind his desk on Friday and catch a flight to Perris and come tell all the drivers, owners and fans what is really going on. Is it fair for the show to go on when the show hasn't been put to rest from last year?
~Danny Sheridan
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Danny:
As with the others, thanks for your time in sharing your thoughts. Yea, one would think Miller (or somebody) would come out for a chit-chat session with everyone getting so disappointed in the way things are at the moment.
I have never seen drivers/owners speak out as you all have lately. It is very appreciated as we are all interested in what your viewpoints are. For those who choose to be silent, that is only to be respected as well. Good luck to ALL of you! Not only for 2008, but for the future as well. You all spend thousands and thousands, work till your hands are numb, and put on some damn good racing. For those as passionate as myself about the sport.....THANKS for all you do!!!
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Posted by mach5racer
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The PAS is blameless, WOW. You've got to be kidding.
Relax take it easy. Take a chill pill (WOW) and no I am not kidding. I was referring to the current situation involving last year's point fund - not the history of the PAS. Or mybe you can tell us all how they are (PAS) to blame in this situation. Thought so.
Posted By: Tripcrwn on February 29 2008 at 02:13:11 PM
If I were Miller, I would get on the first plane out here for a sit down with the drivers and owners of CRA. Hopefully this meet would resolve the unrest. The PAS is blameless in this controvery but should be included in any meeting between Miller and the CRA crew. And why can't USAC let the drivers and owners know what the season point fund is well before the season begins. Could ASCS be an option? Just my two cents.
"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops" - The
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Bottom line is USAC needs to man up and pay what was promissed!
Grady
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Posted By: gasit18 on March 03 2008 at 11:38:06 PM
I want to start by saying thank you to guys like Tony and Casey for standing up for what one deserves. I rarely check the message board because it seems as though it's a bunch of negativity towards certain drivers that pour their hearts into this sport and only to be plastered on a message board by those that think otherwise. I received a call the other day and was told to check the message board, it was in response to the lack of point fund money that was awarded at the end of the year. I wasn't going to post a response, but the more I thought about it I thought it was the right thing to do. So here's my take; If Tony Jones is wrong (which I know damn well he isn't) in what he is doing, why doesn't Kevin Miller slide his chair out from behind his desk on Friday and catch a flight to Perris and come tell all the drivers, owners and fans what is really going on. Is it fair for the show to go on when the show hasn't been put to rest from last year?
~Danny Sheridan
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Mr. Sheridan,you know you challenge to Mr. Miller is unfair.USAC has no money,how can he afford an airline ticket and lodgings to to the west coast.Maybe you driver/owners could pony up a round trip econo ticket,pick him up at the airport and let him sleep on you couch while he's here.One trip like I described might reinstate in Mr. Millers mind the plight of the average race team.The money was'nt just numbers on a piece of paper,to some teams it's the differance between GO and NO GO as far as racing goes in their lives.I know you guy's are'nt going to help out though,you to busy trying to scrounge up the $4.00 a gal. for fuel to get to the track ,$6.00 /gal for meth.for the race car,ect. with hope that if all goes well,you drive your best ,and somehow manage to get that elusive Win...well then you'll only hope USAC's $1500 or so check clears the bank..cause like they told Tony,we'd like to pay you ,but the money'S just not there.....
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Posted By: Tripcrwn on March 04 2008 at 06:59:11 AM
Posted by mach5racer
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The PAS is blameless, WOW. You've got to be kidding.
Relax take it easy. Take a chill pill (WOW) and no I am not kidding. I was referring to the current situation involving last year's point fund - not the history of the PAS. Or mybe you can tell us all how they are (PAS) to blame in this situation. Thought so.
Posted By: Tripcrwn on February 29 2008 at 02:13:11 PM
If I were Miller, I would get on the first plane out here for a sit down with the drivers and owners of CRA. Hopefully this meet would resolve the unrest. The PAS is blameless in this controvery but should be included in any meeting between Miller and the CRA crew. And why can't USAC let the drivers and owners know what the season point fund is well before the season begins. Could ASCS be an option? Just my two cents.
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Mr. Tripcrwn, isn't the PAS responsible for bringing USAC in the first place?? You all wouldn't be having this problem if they weren't there.
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Posted by mach5racer
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The PAS is blameless, WOW. You've got to be kidding.
Relax take it easy. Take a chill pill (WOW) and no I am not kidding. I was referring to the current situation involving last year's point fund - not the history of the PAS. Or mybe you can tell us all how they are (PAS) to blame in this situation. Thought so.
Posted By: Tripcrwn on February 29 2008 at 02:13:11 PM
If I were Miller, I would get on the first plane out here for a sit down with the drivers and owners of CRA. Hopefully this meet would resolve the unrest. The PAS is blameless in this controvery but should be included in any meeting between Miller and the CRA crew. And why can't USAC let the drivers and owners know what the season point fund is well before the season begins. Could ASCS be an option? Just my two cents.
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USAC should never have been allowed in. Now you're seeing the consequences for that decision. As for ASCS, that's definitely something worth looking into.
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Posted By: mach5racer on March 04 2008 at 06:11:47 PM
USAC should never have been allowed in. Now you're seeing the consequences for that decision. As for ASCS, that's definitely something worth looking into.
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CRA is not your average ball of wax and should't be homogenised with ASCS. Good lord, look at the list of names we've produced over the years, you would have to go to Indiana to match it. That's just my opinion, but you guys are "special" and you should act like it and I'm glad to see that you are.
Not one of us shows up at the track because USAC is running the show unless they are related to someone in USAC.
Kenny
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I still want to know whys its surprising I said hell with USAC.
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Somebody said SCRA is a DEAD HORSE!!! I wish someone would shoot this horse in the head get the agony over with and save the west coast!!! The Quicker the better this guy has showed us his ass time to show them the door!!!!!
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