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Hawker

May 30, 2007 at 11:11:16 PM

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Posted By: Coachbob on May 30 2007 at 03:19:27 PM

On occassion the minor league teams do beat the major leaguers in exhibitions and spring training games, not often, about as often as the posse beats the woo.

BRR....you say your racing is the best, but like women, beauty is in the eye of the beholder...oh sorry, you don't like women...but I think you catch my drift. You and your posse fans think yours is the best. Indiana nonwing types think their's is the best, NASCRAP fans believe theirs is the best, I am partial to what I see, and a shit load of people at Eldora next weekend will tell you that Late Model racing can't be beat. Beauty is indeed in the eye of the beholder.

I will give you that you can lay claim to having more sprint racing nights than anywhere else in the country, gotta admire ya for that. You folks have found that you must handicap your teams in order to provide a little racing illusion for the fans and provide an apple for the underfunded to chase. If watching the big four or five avoid the rockets going backwards is what it takes for you to call it racing, then good for you, again, the eye of the beholder thing.

Clint, 101 teams all racing 410's??? Nice try but no. Ohio and Indiana by the way, rival the posse for numbers of different teams as well, each states car counts during their respective speedweeks/sprintweeks consistently outweigh the posse counts, but again, nice effort. Had KC not caught fire, there would have been five regular Saturday night 410 shows in Ohio, that is without counting the possibility of Eldora also running and/or the All Stars elsewhere taking cars away from those regular Saturday night tracks. Not too shabby.

And Cobra, more locals out timee the WoO boys than beat them in features each year, two laps hardly make a feature. Your FOAW was foAWOL when it counted.

Sorry to intrude on you folks pissing match, but I get tired of the posse chest thumpers who miss the reality of things. And yes BRR...I know the reality of the All Stars struggle at your home tracks where we will be visiting soon, so save your breath, it's a tired argument there too. We saw what happened on a slightly more neutral track at Bedford.

(editors note...beware of excuses and chest thumping to follow)

So, does that mean that the WoO races are "exhibition" and "training" races? LOL!!! Sorry bud, you asked for it!

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May 31, 2007 at 07:21:47 AM

Joined:	02/11/2007
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I think inversions have been what dirt track racing has been about for years. Just think they still invert the Kings Royal, which orginally had an 8 car inversion at its inception in '84. All the local tracks around me growing up were inverted weekly(heats and the A) and the KNOXVILLE Nationals prelim nights are inverted as well. Thats racing! Thats what fans want to see. Its not an illusion if you have been around sprint car racing long enough. Times have changed due to different demands and circumstances. Hell, USAC still puts their guys at the tail of the heats and still inverts 6 in the A nightly. Absolutely nothing wrong with inversions and I admire PA for still having theirs and not giving into the national sanctioning powers.

71fan

May 31, 2007 at 07:41:42 AM

Joined:	12/02/2004
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101 different 410s is correct Bob! I took that number right out of the local racing paper with Bryan Householder writing the article. Perhaps you've heard of him. Now 25 of those were Outlaw regulars, but that still leaves us with 76 410 funded teams with 410 engines. Do they race as much as Rahmer? Of course not but I think one of the suprises of the recent Keystone Cup was the high car count at each track. Not sure why you doubted my numbers. I have never argued that the Posse were better then the WOO, they aren't. I have never argued that PA has the best racing, just the most. However, they the Posse are the best group of locals racers in the country. Period, end of story! The Outlaws have said just as much. Bill Rose's win at Bedford was a fluke and you know this Bob. You dont race on the All Star tour for five to ten years before you get your first win if you have any talent as a driver. Go Brian/Cris!

MSPN

May 31, 2007 at 08:26:04 AM

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Clint wisely said, that's a lot more like the guy I first met. Fluke's do happen and not only in Posseland, I could write a big list right now from just what I've seen over the years. However, Bill deserves some credit as many have said he was the fastest car that night, soooo. Let us also not forget that Freddie who is the leader of your 'best locals in the country' has one top ten finish at the Knoxville Nationals final and 7 times missed the A-Main completely. I think that puts things into a proper perspective.

Bob, you're killin' me with the logic and what you have said is basically talked about and agreed to by most Posse fans whenever the subject gets brought up. Surprisingly I don't very often talk Posse vs. Outlaws with my Posse friends in real life and it generally happens more here than it does 'LIVE' which makes sense when you know you're on the right side and they know that as well.

Hawker, nice Beadie moment there but adding nothing to the debate has become the norm for you, sorry. Take It Easy....

BigRightRear

May 31, 2007 at 08:54:31 AM

Joined:	11/27/2004
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the thread asked about Susky's now failed 360 scheme and the resident trolls hijack it for yet another WoO/Kville semonette.(editors note: sour WoO supporters)

the tickets sales say it all...local shows are outselling the sanction events so far this year (ASCS blew it and WoO had many open seats in every section). the TT races for the Keystone Cup were much better attended.

beauty is in the eye of the beholder and i think the race fans in this area have plenty to be thankful for...sad that some carry their resentment from thread to thread.

"my posse friends"...now that is funny!

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