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November 27, 2007 at
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Posted By: mark@xxxraceco.com on November 25 2007 at 03:44:24 PM
Furthering "brian26" comments. We also post the metal tests done by US testing facilities (in Illinois that we have zero affiliation with). You can view them at http://www.xxxraceco.com/chassis%20metal%20test%20results.htm
As a side note related to this thread; we have been contacted by many chassis builders that have repaired and worked on our chassis (across the US, Canada and in Australia). They have all indicated they were very skeptical at first, buying into the misleading information circulating through the industry. Each confesses to thoroughly inspecting the chassis when they first come into their shops in an attempt to find issues with material and construction. Not one has yet found any issues … in fact, each conveyed the quality and workmanship is excellent. I'm not sure what "Chinese Machines" JayP is referring to, but I'd assume it is not an XXX Chassis. Maybe JayP can clarify?
Maybe not well known on this board is that we (the owners of XXX) also own and operate Rocket Chassis. A chassis company that has been producing West Coast cars for a long time in Washington State. These cars are 100% US made. We order metal from the leading distributor of metal in the US (and one we know for sure supplies almost all the chassis manufactures in the US with 4130). We pay VERY careful attention to the mill certifications that come with each delivery. The mills that produce and supply 4130 for this distributor are located in of Germany (probably 50% of the tube), US (probably 25% of the tube) and China (probably 25% of the tube). So, I'd estimate that 75% of the 4130 in the chassis being referred to as having "better quality US Metal" is actually produced overseas ... ironically ... in the same mills that XXX source's 4130 from.
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Mark, I have watched you as well as Cal race for years, your reputation as well as your companies in the northwest and soon elsewhere is outstanding in my eyes. Your replies are very informative and you back up all your info. with facts and data along with a work with you attitude. I for one have welded on your chassis and have been very impressed with the quality of the steel, alot of good racers run your equipment and it is as good as or better than any other brand. I understand when everone gets excited. about new offshore products and always trys to beat them to death. With the way the world has gone with global building of products its easy for people to talk bad about them. I work for Boeing as an engineer and see this everyday. Oh well get over it. Buy what works the best and support it
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November 27, 2007 at
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I think most of us, given the choice, would buy American even if it cost a bit more. The XXX debate will never end but to make an anology using an off-shore made sprint car to a nonexistant American made cell phone is stupid.
On to the Toyota issue. Santos' car was sourrounded by Toyota race engineers using TRD's diagnostic capabilities not available (or affordable) to the rest of us mortals. Until Rick Hendrick gets interested in sprint cars (OBVIOUSLY not in the cards), Toyota, with their billions in resources will pass the pack and keep right on goin'. Sounds like some of you guys think this is a good idea.
The NHRA has this right and unlike NASCAR and USAC have not caved to Tokyo. Let's hope the Outlaws have some balls.
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November 28, 2007 at
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Funny you "Ihatebush" love to be an american . . . .for not supporting america at all, and then bashing the ONLY american made Nascar Chassis. . . you have to contradict youself like this don't you? It's people like you who don't realize what the hell they are talking about and spout off not knowing what they are saying. Go buy your Scion, and support Hillary. ..Asshole
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November 28, 2007 at
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November 28, 2007 at
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Posted By: ihatebush on November 27 2007 at 10:30:35 PM
I think most of us, given the choice, would buy American even if it cost a bit more. The XXX debate will never end but to make an anology using an off-shore made sprint car to a nonexistant American made cell phone is stupid.
On to the Toyota issue. Santos' car was sourrounded by Toyota race engineers using TRD's diagnostic capabilities not available (or affordable) to the rest of us mortals. Until Rick Hendrick gets interested in sprint cars (OBVIOUSLY not in the cards), Toyota, with their billions in resources will pass the pack and keep right on goin'. Sounds like some of you guys think this is a good idea.
The NHRA has this right and unlike NASCAR and USAC have not caved to Tokyo. Let's hope the Outlaws have some balls.
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I have watching this topic and many others like it, from a far for a while now and have finally decided to add my 5 cents. Anybody got change of a dollar?
Everybody seems scared about Toyota and the money. Seems to me they haven't been all that successful in the midget ranks since their debut?? Perhaps that is one reason why they are very few if any other teams (besides the factory backed Nine Racing, Pedregon Racing) that have decided to jump on the Toyota bandwagon. Do you really think the sprintcar deal is any different?? I don't!! To me the Esslinger and even the Mopar seems to be the thing to have in Midgets at the present time and there are a fraction of the cost of what is being mentioned regarding the Toyota!!!
Seems a lot of people not happy about the presence of overseas car makers in the US economy. Lets think about it for a minute. How many jobs are there in the US that these overseas manufacturers create, either directly (ie. working for the car manufacturer) or indirectly (ie. working for all the hundreds on component manufacturers that go towards building one car)??? I would guess it would be a pretty impressive number!!!
Now as for the introduction of overseas manufacturers into sprintcar and midget racing, so long as their quality is up to standard, why shouldn't they be allowed into the marketplace??? It seems to me companies like XXX for example are going above and beyond any other manufacturer to publicly ensure that their materials and workmanship meet exacting high standards. Can the same be said about the locals? I think some of you would be very surprised at how much is actually made overseas and not just in places like Asia!
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November 28, 2007 at
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Unfortunately Toyota is one of the only cars made in America. Ford is made over seas, Chevy is made over seas. Most of the part are shipped in and put together here. Is it Dodge that is made in Mexico. If i remember right Toyota is made in like Tennessee or Kentucky. So as of right now Toyota vehicles, that are sold here, are produced here, by American workers. The profit just goes to a Japanese man in Asia.
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Posted By: jackhole22 on November 28 2007 at 07:43:00 AM
Unfortunately Toyota is one of the only cars made in America. Ford is made over seas, Chevy is made over seas. Most of the part are shipped in and put together here. Is it Dodge that is made in Mexico. If i remember right Toyota is made in like Tennessee or Kentucky. So as of right now Toyota vehicles, that are sold here, are produced here, by American workers. The profit just goes to a Japanese man in Asia.
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Any 17 digit VIN number that starts with a 3 is made in Mexico
2007 Vehicles made in Mexico
Buick = Rendezvous
Cadillac = Escalade EXT
Chevrolet = Avalanche, HHR, Silverado, Suburban
Chrysler = PT Cruiser
Dodge = Ram Pickup
Ford = Fusion
GMC = Sierra
Honda = Accord
Lincoln
= Zephyr
Mercury = Milan
Nissan = Sentra, Versa
Toyota = Tacoma Pickup
Volkswagen = Beetle, Jetta
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November 28, 2007 at
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November 28, 2007 at
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that is good info to know. Got to love the Zephyr
Viva la Mexico
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November 28, 2007 at
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To determine where your vehicle was made check the first
digit of you 17 digit VIN number.
Australia
= 6
Brazil
= 9
Canada
= 2
China
= L
England
= S
France
= V
Germany
= W
Italy
= Z
Japan
= J
Korea
= K
Mexico
= 3
Sweden
= Y
Taiwan
= L
Thailand
= M
USA
= 1, 4, or 5
Yugoslavia
= V
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November 28, 2007 at
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Posted By: new-parts on November 28 2007 at 09:53:15 AM
To determine where your vehicle was made check the first
digit of you 17 digit VIN number.
Australia
= 6
Brazil
= 9
Canada
= 2
China
= L
England
= S
France
= V
Germany
= W
Italy
= Z
Japan
= J
Korea
= K
Mexico
= 3
Sweden
= Y
Taiwan
= L
Thailand
= M
USA
= 1, 4, or 5
Yugoslavia
= V
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My Mazda Tribute is made in the USA. I traded in my GMC Jimmy 'junk' for it.
I believe the Toyota Corolla is made in the SF Bay Area, Fremont, CA.
"Just the facts ma'am", Sgt. Joe Friday, Detective,
LAPD
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My 07 Toyota Tacoma VIN starts with a "5" and was built in Fremont, California with 80+ % of it's parts manufactured in the USA also.
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November 28, 2007 at
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I am sure that 58 year old Randy Droescher would be happy to tell you how well his track championship XXX car performed. In a couple accidents, the car and driver were all repairable, no product failures.The bolt on's fit without modification also.
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Some people would say that his cane and seeing eye dog is an unfair advantage.
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political statement?
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November 28, 2007 at
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This
one’s still in storage just waiting.
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November 28, 2007 at
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I do my best to buy American made. It just gets harder and harder to do so with dead beat companies taking things away from us. If no one in America has a job to buy the products I wonder who they think will buy the products? Maytag to just name one. Which i will NEVER buy a Maytag again.
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Posted By: jackhole22 on November 28 2007 at 03:12:55 PM
I do my best to buy American made. It just gets harder and harder to do so with dead beat companies taking things away from us. If no one in America has a job to buy the products I wonder who they think will buy the products? Maytag to just name one. Which i will NEVER buy a Maytag again.
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ever thought that the American worker has a higher standard of living than they can afford, that is the reason the American worker buys Chineese products.
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Posted By: jackhole22 on November 28 2007 at 03:12:55 PM
I do my best to buy American made. It just gets harder and harder to do so with dead beat companies taking things away from us. If no one in America has a job to buy the products I wonder who they think will buy the products? Maytag to just name one. Which i will NEVER buy a Maytag again.
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C Wright Mills?
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November 28, 2007 at
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I know I sure don't. $500 Buick and $300 rent. $125 TV and no cable.
I did a political paper years ago in College. I took a random Midwest State and did a summary on the average cost of basic ideas during the Depression with min. wage. then took todays Min wage in that same state with basic prices now. Alot of items on the list are just as expensive for people to buy now in relative salary to THE DEPRESSION!
Items
Apple, Flour, Sugar, Milk, Potatoes, Shoes, Pants, Tea, Coffee, Chicken, Beef, etc.
Very basic items. Which compared with Min wage then to buy that item then was about the same with min wage now at 5.15, (When i did the study) There were a few things that are more expensive now. I think Milk and Apples are some of them.
Anyway I did it cause it was an easy and well educated paper to do. I was a poor college kid so i wanted to know how we really fare better now than in the 1920's and 30's when it was suppose to be the hardest time to pay bills and keep food on a table. Yes, you do have to buy Wal Mart crap. but when it comes to basic food items, It is just as expensive.
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Posted By: jackhole22 on November 28 2007 at 04:26:21 PM
I know I sure don't. $500 Buick and $300 rent. $125 TV and no cable.
I did a political paper years ago in College. I took a random Midwest State and did a summary on the average cost of basic ideas during the Depression with min. wage. then took todays Min wage in that same state with basic prices now. Alot of items on the list are just as expensive for people to buy now in relative salary to THE DEPRESSION!
Items
Apple, Flour, Sugar, Milk, Potatoes, Shoes, Pants, Tea, Coffee, Chicken, Beef, etc.
Very basic items. Which compared with Min wage then to buy that item then was about the same with min wage now at 5.15, (When i did the study) There were a few things that are more expensive now. I think Milk and Apples are some of them.
Anyway I did it cause it was an easy and well educated paper to do. I was a poor college kid so i wanted to know how we really fare better now than in the 1920's and 30's when it was suppose to be the hardest time to pay bills and keep food on a table. Yes, you do have to buy Wal Mart crap. but when it comes to basic food items, It is just as expensive.
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the thing is , back in the deppression era, you could'nt find even a minimum wage job. not discounting your study but it seems to me you need to find the median wage and income from then vs. now, not just the minimum wage. just my 2 cents
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Just think how expensive those basics would be if we had to pay the immigrant population full minimum wage, plus health benefits, vacation.....
The problem with your scenerio is that most all americans that could find work did so for minimum wage during the depression. There were thousands more (willing and able) workers than there were jobs in nearly every community. Additionally it was a different time. People had a very different work ethic.
Today, day laborers' will not even work for less than 8-10 per hour. Try to find high school or college kids that will bail hay, milk cows, pick vegtables..... All of that is unskilled labor. So in order to get the job done suppliers of these goods do one of three things. Higher "illegal" laborers, source there product out to a country that is willing to do it for the price it will sell, or change product line. Construction and Farming go with option A, while manufacturing goes with option B. And still other companies have gone with option C.
Sure you could pay people more here to do the job but then you have to raise the price of the product also. Who is gonna pay $3 for a can of Del Monte peas? How about $8-10,000 for a new roof on your 1200sf home? $8 for a gallon of milk, and the list goes on.
I have asked this question before but I will ask it again: How many would be willing to cut your entire inventory of personal possesions by 50-60% in exchange for products produced and distributed solely by and in the U.S.? I for one, am not.
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