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My only question is this, if 3 officials said it was interferance because of another car, why wasn't the problem corrected immediately. As many people have stated, they should have thrown a yellow flag, then allowed Donny Schatz to take 2 time trial laps. Or after coming to the scales immediately after time trials, when Donny said he was interfered with, he should have went back out on the track for his extra lap then. NOT after talking with your crew, and making adjustments. This would never be allowed at Knoxville nor (as much as I hate to say this) Huset's Speedway.

Unfortinatly some drivers got hosed, but we can't change it so lets move on. At least one of the drivers complaining (Kemenah) beat Schatz to the line, and passed more cars.

John Katich, I try to respect you as much as possible, but I am sorry, after you constant complaining of Knoxville and how the sky is falling, and then your comment about not being allowed to complain about officials, that is pure bogus. How many times do you here football players yelling at officials. I am glad you have a radio show, but I really wish you would strap in, or pay the bills on these, or maybe spend and Tuesday evening working on these things. Then I guess I might take your criticism better.

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BTW, A pissed of Steve Kinser during the month of money, thats just dangerous for all other competitors.

john, i never said no tow money was being paid. i only asked. since you seem to be a mouthpiece for the woo (that is not a slam, you do seem talk for them a lot) i thought you might be able to answer a simple question. do you know for sure they haven't stopped paying tow money? if so, can you share your info like i originally asked? by the way it is great folks like you can and do help to bring racing to us and bring us a bit more inside racing so thanks.

by the way SK seems to have gotten his qualkifying down to a science lately!! lol.

"I understand Steve Kinser's and the other drivers' anger...there is no more competitive soul on the planet than Steve...but you cannot call the officials "crooks" and other things he said on TV without consequence."

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OK Mr. Katich... looks like you want some feedback so here it goes.

Give me a break. You need a consequence? That's just the kinda TV moment this sport will gain viewership from. The only consequence here is that anyone who missed that broadcast will most likely make sure they see the next one. Props to SPEED for featuring it in there broadcast. Drama draws audience.

Let's not turn this into the NBA or NFL. Oh wait... NBA. They seem to make an occasional phantom simultaneous foul call too. Those officials would never collude either... err Tim Donaghy. At least the WoO hasn't adopted the NBA's idiotic policy of not letting them answer to the media.

The only consequence the WoO should be concerned with is fixing the derisive execution of that rule. If interference is called don't take it behind the wall and ask the driver. Throw a yellow and run the lap over. Keep the car in front of the fans and competitors. You might just reduce the feeling of foul play?

What's do want next? Lets have the WoO fine drivers who wave bye bye to competitors as they pass them. TV Terry's greatest TV moment!

Not a fan of Schatz, nor Kinser. I have listened to both sides of this issue and being a former racer I have to voice my opinion as well.

"IF" three officials made the same call at the same time as stated, there was no reason Schatz should have been allowed to go to the scales, then back to his trailer, THEN back out later to take another lap. He should have either been kept on the track, or sent right back out after the next car. This is what is very upsetting to all involved. He complained about a push truck being in his way on the bottom, yet when he did come back out he ran the top of the track, WHY? Both lap times were very close on his first crack at qualifying, WHY? "IF" he was interfered with, there would have been a big difference in lap times. This was the 3rd or 4th time this year Schatz has been awarded additional laps, WHY?

Are the WoO officials playing favorites? There is no way to know for sure, but they sure do make some questionable calls in favor of the same driver/s quite a bit. Steve complaining is funny however, because about 5 to 10 years ago, it was Steve that everyone though the WoO officials were catering to, now he is one of the ones complaining, LOL!

In my opinion, "IF" a car is interfered with on the track, it should be the officials call ONLY! and the car should have to remain on the track for an additional lap OR be sent directly back out if the car pulls off the track, NO EXCEPTIONS! This would save a few of the "collutionist" complaints that are brought up so often.

All this being said, as another poster already said, DRAMA is good for the WoO! Anyone who knows anything about drawing fan interest knows that CONFLICT sells! That is why TV wrestling is so big, why soap operas are so big, and why NASCAR ratings go up when there is any sort of conflict within the series. So, although this has upset quite a few people, in the end it has people talking more than ever about the WoO series and that is a good thing. Remember, there is good publicity and bad publicity, and no matter which you are having, you are still getting PUBLICITY! Long live "outlaw" type sprint car racing! (doesn't have to be WoO sprint car racing, LOL!)

Why the folks acting like this is the first bad or questionable call made by a race/series/track official?

Hope an "Inadvertant Yellow" is brought out soon to get this issue moved aside and moved on.

I never thought to ask whether or not they are paying tow money. I haven't heard they aren't but I'll ask Tom Deery about it. He may well be on the show Tuesday. The way you framed the question is of the "do you beat your wife" vein. I don't speak for the World of Outlaws or the All Stars or anyone else, other than myself. I do give them and many other people, an opportunity to discuss what is happening in the sport and will continue to do so.

I would agree that the execution of the rule is flawed. From what I gathered, though, Schatz did not go back to his pit and have the crew work on the car before be sent out. If you or anyone else can substantiate otherwise, I will stand corrected.

As for controversial TV moments in sprint car racing, the media was told at Knoxville that the incident from a couple of years ago would garner...and I quote..."another 10,000 ticket requests". I don't think it did. This isn't going to increase the interest in the sport, either.

A driver, no matter who they are, should not be able to go on TV or make public statements about series officials being "crooks". It should be handled internally and then move on.

I was at the Kings Royal I wrote times down as they qual. out 26th was 20w car of Greg Wilson his times were 14.427 1st lap 2nd lap 14.784 Then the 15 car of Donny Schalts came out his first lap which was what they say was interfered with was 14.547 no caution came out Donnie's 2nd lap14.257. Then came out the 83 car of Tim Shaffer whose first lap was 14.291 and 2nd lap 14.174 As Shaffer was running his first lap they announced Schaltz would get a third lap but did't say why until later That gave Schaltz time to pull in the pits and work on the car. If They didn't't touch the car please show this on speed. Donny came out and ran a 3rd lap at 13.952 If they say the interferes was on his first lap they why no yellow and leave him on the track Why did they let him come in? why did they not show the others qual. so we could see where cars where on those runs They have it on tape. I have pictures of the blow up sign being deflated world of outlaws sure lost out on that advertisement. I'v been to races all my life my mom and dad scored and worked the pit at most track in Indiana, Ohio,and Illinois.So I do know a little about scoring. Speed just needs to show the other qual. runs and then let people see for their selves. And people if we all yelled for the same number there wouldn't't be much since in racing everyone has to have fans. the bashing on here is way to had on people. Let's race and be happy were able to be at a race track. I'll go to the day I died and I Don't care if it's wing sprint nonwing sprint or late model I'm just happy I'm here to see one Just my Opion. Thanks for reading Lori

Schatz did not go back to his pit.

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Never been to Eldora, didn’t see the race on SPEED. But from the way I am understanding it, with the exception of the first car out, everyone knows that the car ahead of them is still going to be on the track while they are taking their first qualifying lap, and will probably be low on the track. Seems pretty simple to me. Even if low is where you want to run, DON"T GO THERE until you have gotten by that other car. Either that, or stall some how for a few seconds and give that car more time to get off of the track.

i wonder why they showed the video over and over without audio? could it be that the 15 never lifted for the obstruction car and they could not afford to let it be heard after committing themselves to the call?

that comment from the sun glasses official who said something to the effect of "I saw Donnie's interview and that pretty much sums it up" hhahahha...what a bunch of hacks!

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If 3 officials saw it and called it at the same time why did they not just radio the flagman to give him the green again when he came by instead of the white. Or the white the next 2 laps rather than wait till he pulls in.

They also said they were not aware of Donny's times when they told him he could have a 3rd lap. Don't they use transponders? The times come up immediately on their computers in the "command center" and any team with a lap top can get them too. WoO officials don't look at their own timing and scoring during an event???

Okay, for the last time. I was NOT on that grassy knoll that November day in Dallas, I was in gym class playing basketball. That should end this quickly, Take It Easy....

Was I hallucinating again or did the female pit side reporter refer to swapping Haudenschild's front axel as replacing the thing. She knew what the wing was though! Nice job SPEED in keeping her and booting Buckley. I see her as still being the weak link in the broadcast. Replace her with Danita, now you got a show!

Steve needs to chill out before he gives himself a coronary on national television. It's not good for us old guys in our 50's to get that riled up.

I watched the broadcast and agree that it was a questionable call but Steve's tirade was equally unprofessional in my opinion. I've seen him involved in some outbursts that would probably have cost other drivers fines, suspensions or possibly even sponsors. Kinser fans will give him a free pass and defend him regardless of his actions. It wasn't that he voiced his opinion that turned some people off but the extreme manner in which he did it.

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was steve's mannor kind of like when the prtty girl finds out she is not the prettiest any more? lol.

There's an easy way to correct this problem. It should be stated in the rule book that if a driver wishes to request an extra lap in time trials, if any adjustments are made to the car after his original two laps, the driver loses any extra lap that may be given to him. Thus if a driver feels he was interfered with they know not to touch the car until after they take their extra lap.

It must not have been easy getting lapped at the Grove last night, especially by Schatz, and especially after all that happened.

I like your thinking Rouge-9.

I just watched the race today, and replayed it myself several times, appears to me that donny accelerated down the track towards the car and never changed the direction of the car and looked to me like he thought driving down the abnking taking the green would speed him up, on a better note the 2 hour broadcast is better than one hour