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June 22, 2008 at
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22 go-buggies at Perris last night. So I decided to cruise around and see where some of the "old gang" was.
Josh Ford and Nick Faas were in B'field in midgets.
Louie Espinoza, Brian Camarillo and Ron Bach were in Ventura, where Bach won in the seniors. (Troy Rutherford did not run last night.)
Seth Wilson won at V-Ville. (Who else was up there?)
Charlie Davis and R. J. Johnson were at Manzy losing (again) to Jeremy Sherman.
Cory Kruseman was "sick" (according to Scott).
If Davey Pombo ran, it was somewhere in central Cal (he was at Santa Maria along with Albert).
Rip is waiting for the doc to sign off on his braking foot (and he says his -other- foot is now bothering him from an injury 30 years ago).
Rodney Argo was either MIA or at Victorville. (If you saw him or any other Perris regulars there, let's hear about that.)
Jimmy Crawford was -not- at Ventura (in a race car, anyway). (Jim took a hard shot at Santa Maria last week, if I recall correctly.)
That's 14 drivers (excluding Sherman, who only shows for the Oval Nationals), eight definitely running elsewhere and six either unknown or not running at all. Of the 14, half of them: Ford, Faas, Espinoza, Camarillo, Bach, Davis and Johnson, are in a points hunt somewhere other than USAC-CRA. And five of the seven live close to where they run for points.
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June 22, 2008 at
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That was real interesting raj, Thanks.
Mike Brown
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June 22, 2008 at
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It's been a pretty good year here at Manzy with ASCS. 12 races in the books. 5 different winners. Alot of teams stepping up to meet the competition of Sherman.
Charles Davis Jr. is staying home running ASCS all year running for Massey. He and Jeremy Sherman are tied at 4 wins a piece this year.
RJ Johnson has been here running ASCS all year as well. He has 1 win with ASCS this year.
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June 23, 2008 at
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June 23, 2008 at
06:07:03 AM by Tripcrwn
Thats just great news about ASCS. Hope you all have a great time with no qualifying and passing points plus pill draw for heats. Not for me I am a long time tradionalist and I like qualifying. Good post raj.
"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops" - The
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June 23, 2008 at
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Posted By: Tripcrwn on June 23 2008 at 06:05:27 AM
Thats just great news about ASCS. Hope you all have a great time with no qualifying and passing points plus pill draw for heats. Not for me I am a long time tradionalist and I like qualifying. Good post raj.
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If the car counts keep slipping you won't be having a show at all.
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June 23, 2008 at
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| Posted by mach5racer, June 23, 2008 at 06:39:45 PM |
If the car counts keep slipping you won't be having a show at all.
What a loser comment. I can see your a real sprint car fan. I am not worried about the car count at the PAS (if that is what you meant). Last Saturday night's race was terrific even with the short field of cars and the dust. Watching Tony Jones put one of his patented slide jobs on both Sheridan and Spencer in turn two to take third place was worth the price of admission. You can watch all of the 360 action you want but I will stick with the 410s and the PAS.
"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops" - The
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June 23, 2008 at
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I enjoy how you disparage a negative comment from one person to begin your post and then end with your own negative comment...
...I guess size matters for engines.
Honestly, to avoid the absolutely terrible drive and the massive heat are two factors in the decision making process to go to Ventura for the VRA rather than Perris for CRA for me.
So in the spirit of your post, I will watch all the 360 action I want. I will also go to Industry and Costa Mesa for all the Speedway Bike action I desire. I doubt I will be back at the PAS until they open a route that takes me less than 3 hours to drive 90 miles. Honestly, dont people know how much gas costs? Why are they on the freeway when ive got racing to go see?
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June 23, 2008 at
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Tripcrwn I will have a great time with no qualifying and passing points plus pill draw for heats. That way we won't waste a good track trying to time in cars. We'll see cars that start in the back of a heat and pass cars make it into a show, instead of a guy who starts on the pole and barely holds on to make the main by finishing fourth. If you put spencer, jones, sheridan, hansen and all the others in 360's and didn't tell anyone, no one would notice. The 360's put on just as good a show if not better than the 410's. Plus then you'd have more cars at Perris.
I don't know why you guys are all on the mindset that 360's are taking over, and that if they even did, that its a bad thing. I don't know if its cause you guys are use to VRA 360's but those aren't "real 360's"
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June 24, 2008 at
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My posts were aimed at the remarks made by tkaphoto in which he shared his opinion about ASCS on a thread started by raj in which he wondered "where are they now?" Just my opinion but I felt his comments were inappropriate to raj's orginal post, which I thought was very informative. Maybe he should of started his own thread about ASCS. And again at remarks made by mach5racer. I am just tired of hearing about ASCS and how they will soon take over socal. And how negative everyone is about the short fields at the PAS. My remarks were not in regard to the Ventura 360s. Maybe I should have been more specific in that regard. I like the racing action at Ventura. Like Turn4rob might say Buzzard, "I feel your pain" in regards to the terrible drive to Perris. Anyway my remarks were not directed at the VRA.
"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops" - The
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June 24, 2008 at
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June 24, 2008 at
07:39:51 AM by tkaphoto
Where are they now? I pointed out were 2 were. Obviously you misunderstood my post. My post was aimed at the "losing to Sherman again" Comment. So I pointed out that Jeremy is not the only one winning here. Why don't you just relax. So before you jump down my throat, reread the post a few times. I like ASCS because they are the ones that are giving us 25 cars a night right now. I'd rather watch 25 cars instead of 12. I didn't mind ASCA which is what we had before they came in. I will watch any sprint car racing. You should feel fortunate enough that you have options. We have A winged ASCS group in Tucson that gives us 16-18 cars. ASCA to the north of us that runs at Canyon that have 12-16 cars. And then ASCS at Manzy that gives us 22-30 cars. So be glad you guys have options. Because here in Arizona it's slim.
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June 24, 2008 at
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Pill Draws Suck! Instead just invert based on series points after the first race of the year. Drivers that run a yellow flag start at the rear as do visiting drivers from other series on their first visit for the year. After that, you average their points for the amount of shows they have missed plus add a predetermined amount of points to base their inversion on for subsequent shows. For the main, do a pill draw to invert 6, 8, 10, 12 or 14 cars based on passing points for the night and series points!
Joe
PS. I prefer qualifying a 1,000 fold even over the above version.
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June 24, 2008 at
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Thanks for the clarification, but I still don't understand why you jumped down on 360's? TKA was just explaining why Davis and Johnson are running in Arizona. I believe someone mentioned before that if ASCS did take over, why wouldn't they run it like they have, but modify the rules to use passing points. Still use 410's, qualify, use passing points in the heat, and line back up by qualifying order or something, or invert from passing points. I don't think Perris wants to lose 410's, and if ASCS wanted to run 360's only, don't you think Perris would tell ASCS thanks anyways?
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June 24, 2008 at
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June 24, 2008 at
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I don't think Davis or Sherman can be considered PAS regulars anymore as its been awhile since they competed with USAC or SCRA on a regular basis and that is not to take away anything from raj's original post. It appears I may have jumped the gun on TKA, for that I apologize, but its only because I view any disruption of 410 racing at the PAS negatively. One thing fer sure, I will not be included in any discussions about the future of 410 racing at Perris. Anyway you boys enjoy your racing in the Copper State and I will do the same here in Southern California.
"When the green flag drops the bullshit stops" - The
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June 24, 2008 at
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Posted By: Tripcrwn on June 24 2008 at 04:30:39 AM
My posts were aimed at the remarks made by tkaphoto in which he shared his opinion about ASCS on a thread started by raj in which he wondered "where are they now?" Just my opinion but I felt his comments were inappropriate to raj's orginal post, which I thought was very informative. Maybe he should of started his own thread about ASCS. And again at remarks made by mach5racer. I am just tired of hearing about ASCS and how they will soon take over socal. And how negative everyone is about the short fields at the PAS. My remarks were not in regard to the Ventura 360s. Maybe I should have been more specific in that regard. I like the racing action at Ventura. Like Turn4rob might say Buzzard, "I feel your pain" in regards to the terrible drive to Perris. Anyway my remarks were not directed at the VRA.
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wait a mimute there tripcrwn I'll never feel Buzzard pain after all he's just a whinning Kiwi who hasn't learned his way around Socal LOL
BTW I think Argo blew there motor at the PAS on 6/7 and you know how hard those FoMoCo parts are to find
ROB
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June 24, 2008 at
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June 24, 2008 at
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Posted By: Tripcrwn on June 24 2008 at 05:13:25 PM
I don't think Davis or Sherman can be considered PAS regulars anymore as its been awhile since they competed with USAC or SCRA on a regular basis and that is not to take away anything from raj's original post. It appears I may have jumped the gun on TKA, for that I apologize, but its only because I view any disruption of 410 racing at the PAS negatively. One thing fer sure, I will not be included in any discussions about the future of 410 racing at Perris. Anyway you boys enjoy your racing in the Copper State and I will do the same here in Southern California.
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The truth is CRA/USAC competition is lacking because of the Arizona boys who are staying home or out on the road and it started way before this big jump in gas. Arizona drivers have always added a lot to what we had. You have lost more than just a car count. You've lost some of the best drivers on this side! Now remember, I went to Aggies pig farm as a kid..LOL so jump my you know what with care, I still might have some on me..Anyway, PAS was the big factor in USAC coming in and if they were not here, there.LOL we wouldn't even be having discussions about ASCS coming in and taking over the show at the PAS, now would we?
360's are fine, but in my opinion some sanctioning body's have gotten away from the original idea and that was cost! That's why the ASCA is running separate from ASCS, not because their "north" but cost, and yes some pride is involved as well.
Talking about not having 410's is just plan not acceptable, period. Now start talking about USAC the way Jack Hewitt did when they were very close to putting wings on and showing a little west cost, AZ, pride and independence again and maybe we'll have something. Start talking about a open comp division and get some blood pumping.
I'll be going down to Manzy on the 5th for the Leland MacSpadden appreciation night race and it will be the 360's on one of the best 1/2 mile tracks in the states. Truth is the 360's today are fast, just ask any one of those drivers, especialy some of the young or inexperenced ones how fast is is hauling into turn 3. I wish it was the 410's though LOL, the group we had about 6 years ago would do me fine.
Ken Clever, Prescott AZ
Duck Kenny, duck!!
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Hey guys, take a look at the first race this year at the PAS. In qualifying the 360's were only a couple of tenths off the 410's. So give it a break, the naked eye couldn't tell the difference anyway.
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Posted By: ziggy on June 25 2008 at 12:52:08 AM
Hey guys, take a look at the first race this year at the PAS. In qualifying the 360's were only a couple of tenths off the 410's. So give it a break, the naked eye couldn't tell the difference anyway.
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Nothing wrong with this racing at all.
http://racewayvideo.com/clips/080209/080209pas360feature.wmv
Jeff Kristensen
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June 25, 2008 at
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the track at Perris too big for 360's? Isn't this the reason why 360's run at places like Ventura?
On another note: I don't believe you can consider Sherman or Davis regulars at the PAS either, LOL, I was expecting them at the last open comp. race at V-ville, and they did not even show up for that one. R.J. Johnson was the only one that showed and he was in a Crossno car. Them not showing up for races this year probably is just a reflection of economic hard times rather than USAC or the PAS. If the economic situation was better, I truly believe these great Arizona drivers would show up for races in Southern California. Just my take on the topic.
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June 25, 2008 at
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Why would Perris be too big for 360's? The ASCS groups run on Manzanita's Half Mile, Tucson which is a big 3/8th, They run back at Knoxville and I'm pretty sure they run 360's at Williams Grove too.
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Posted By: Johnny3wheels on June 25 2008 at 12:21:51 PM
Why would Perris be too big for 360's? The ASCS groups run on Manzanita's Half Mile, Tucson which is a big 3/8th, They run back at Knoxville and I'm pretty sure they run 360's at Williams Grove too.
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I had heard this somewhere, I forget where, but I was just throwing it out there to get some feedback.
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