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Toyota engines and triple x chassis. let all get together and send all the money we have left after are own goverment gets done raping us to support a war we should not even be in and send it over sea's also. just keep buying from all the companys from over the pony and we will all be living on welfare. even thou they claim to be USA based companys the profits are still sent back home.

I didn't realize XXX was based over seas

I thought the owners lived/worked in Northwest (USA)

Brian 

"TURN AROUND; MATE !"

hey mark and cal fromm xxx, if you guy's are now an overseas company does this mean we can save on sales tax? or is the shipping from washington, china going to offset that? lmao.

Read the Nov 14 th issue of Speed Sport News There is an article by Chris Phalen Dealing with the Chinese invasion of chassis parts. Read maxiamdirt.com on all the talk about them on that web page.

Buy some more of them and you might be the one working for five bucks a day!!!!!!

Why don't companies like Winters, who have been outsourcing for years, get bashed on here? Because tons of the outlaws use them? I just think that people find it easy to say, buy american, and XXX is terrible. . . .ok, then go throw out anything winters you have. At the same time, stop typing, watching TV (Especially Nascar where Toyota is the ONLY American made car), and go put on some american made shoes. Thats not happening. This saves the racers money, and the profits go to WA, and they pay taxes. Its amazing how many uneducated people are on here.

"If Winning wasn't important, we wouldn't keep score"

I bet the people in Sedro Woolley Washington are shacking in there boots right now looking for a boat because of the flooding; oh your guys are talking overseas my mistake sorry

Brian 

"TURN AROUND; MATE !"

So I have a question for you sprint car fans that continually attack XXX. What is your ultimate goal with these attacks? Less companies involved in racing? Less sponsors? Less cars? Less fans? Get rid of it all together? Just trying to figure out how repeatly calling out a company for outsourcing to another country helps the sport.

Take all the ill found shots you want at Toyota, there are not enough dirt track fans in the US to change their market share if they are not supported. However there widespread involvement could bring a lot more fans to the track. But that is another story.

To continually beat up on XXX for outsourcing shows other manufacturer's out there a complete lack of tolerance and tells potential sponsors exactly what they can expect from fans. In general it just displays sprint car racing in general in a bad light.

I would buy a XXX chassis in a heartbeat! I would also buy Winters racing parts in a heartbeat! Now people can start to bash......but when a co. can offer good part's for half the change why not support them????? Lest's face it most on this board don't race, so it's easy to bash company X for what they heard about them.

I am in the racing and I wanna know what company X is gonna do for me or my team. If I can get a chassis that I know will hold up in a wreck and spend half the money I will do it. The weekly racer can't afford to change a chassis out every ten race's so we do what we can do to race. It's not XXX that is taking away from us by selling part's cheaper, it's us putting "racing" tag on it and selling it for triple the cost. It's been this way for years!!!!

I remember when 360's were the steping stone to 410's, and now you can spend the same amount of money on a 360 as you can a 410!!!!!

In cloesing if people wanna save money and buy a chassis......who cares you will have another car on the track and another person to race.

GAME ON!

Jesse Wagler

Don't you just love these hypocrites that sit at there foreign made computer, in there foreign made cloths and shoes, that they bought after driving there foreign made Chevy, Ford, or Dodge to Wal-Mart whining about buying American made products.

People like you are the true definition of the word hypocrite.

My concern about outsourcing (especially to China) is twofold.

Economically, how many American jobs in the sprint car racing industry are potentially lost? What is the effect of lower wages on the American worker's standard of living and discretionary income? In the long run, how does outsourcing benefit the sport? If you keep lowering the American worker's standard of living, who can afford to buy tickets to races?

How much is it worth to us to support the American worker and American jobs?

Morally, I have a real concern about doing business with a Communist country, one that does not value personal freedom and human rights. China does not practice fair trade in dealings with the U.S.A. Our country is in the process of committing economic, cultural and political suicide. Some day, we'll be taken over by foriegn powers without a shot fired.

...but, at least we'll have plenty of cheap products to console ourselves with.

One chassis, one tire, hell one motor builder.....you think it's expensive now? Eliminate competition and just wait!

More expense means fewer cars, fewer fans, fewer venues......

spfldsprintfan1....you are living proof that the public school system in America has failed us! Maybe Santa will bring you a dictionary and a thesaurus......have you been naughty or nice?

Oh hell no......did I read in an above post that someone was willing to buy a product of similar quality based solely upon cost???? I hope to God those parts were assembled by properly documented laborers.

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

The leadership of this great nation is morally bankrupt, and we as a people need to show those leaders that we're not! Quit voting for a candidate simply because he/she's the incumbent......we do not work for them, they work for us!!! As a constituency, we must hold our legislative assemblage accountable......

For God's sake, how does a drunken boob like Ted Kennedy continually win re-election?

If there are American workers with a demonstrable track record of success (sterling products) willing to perform a service at competitive job costing......we should support them. It gets a little gray when that competitiveness is a derivative of outsourcing to counties committed to the destruction of our way of life...like China.

How many of us are old enough to remember watching the Tienanmen Square uprising on network television?

The United States began its de-industrialization in the early 1990s and NAFTA, NAALC, NAAEC....have only made it easier for corporate manufacturers to "outsource" actual jobs thus furthering our de-industrialization.

"As long as I can have a fast boat, a margarita 
machine and can light my hair on fire, I'll be just 
fine."

Jason Giambi

When you destroy a man's abilility to work for a decent wage, to feed his family, to buy a home, educate his kids and enjoy the fruits of his labor by fully participating in the economic process, you destroy his pride, his work ethic and his hope for upward mobility. This country doesn't make anything anymore. It doesn't build anything. You take away the pride and hope and self-worth of the American worker, take away his ties to the economic process, you destroy those things that make America great. You destroy the American culture.You gut the American way of life.

When China and other countries control our banks and mortgages leading to devaluation of the Dollar, continually violate fair trade practices, gain access to our communications and secuity, while putting extreme pressure on our own political economic viability at home and abroad, well, that's not good.

Krueschev said fifty years ago that socialism and communism would eventually win over capitalism. "We'll bury you". We may not be far from that day. We are burying ourselves.

As this relates to sprint car racing and outsourcing....is it worth $20 here or $50 there to kill off a uniquely American industry? Are you prepared to face the consequences that will eventually take place? What do you tell the guy who loses his welding job at a manuafacturer, who took pride in being a part of the racing scene, even if it was just taking himself or his family out for a night at the track?

Sometimes, maybe it's a matter of right and wrong. Maybe you can't control the things you buy in the global economy but you can in the sprint car industry right now.

A couple racing supply companies import parts. Exactly how many american jobs are they taking away ? All the pro American / import bashers on here get a clue. Your words are useless and worthless on this site. If you really care about american jobs and international trading, contact the government and do something about it. Otherwise your input is equal to complaining about the weather.

John - While I do not disagree with your message, I do take issue with those that continue to single out one company.  If you truly beleive in what you say you will not purchase outsourced products, period.  There is no middle ground.  Like Vegans, you either eat living things or you don't.

This "problem" started decades ago when we as Americans started wanting more and more "stuff"  I am one of them.  To get more stuff we needed more money, to get more money we demanded more wages, to get more wages manufacturer's raised their prices, to get more stuff we bought cheaper stuff from other manufacturers and the circle was complete.

China will, in 10-15 years feel the same squeeze we feel now for the same reasons. 

How many race teams including driver's family have a camcorder who video tapes the races? How many cars in your driveway are American cars and made with American parts? How many toys do you have that are only American made? How many quads, motorcycles do you have? Oh I'm guilty. I drive a Toyota, Nissan & a Ford. Have a quad and motorcycle and it not a Harley. I have Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, camcorder, TV, DVD player, CD player, digital cameras, etc, equipments, toys made in China that have Mattel and Fisher-Price name on it. I'm sure my appliances are made in another country too.

When I go out to buy something, I don't say to myself or ask the sale person is this whole product make in America and have only America parts? Do you? I probably wouldn't have any of these products in my house or driveway and I could be rich by now or poor . I buy what I feel is worth the money spent for the products and what I can afford. I personally like the Toyota cars because they seem to last longer then a Chevy or a Ford car and they hold it value when trying to sell it. Why did you buy a Toyota? There are lots of Chevy or Ford truck on the road because Toyota has not came out with a big dully truck and I'm sure they are working on it and we will soon see them in our driveway.

If the cost is affordable and most important safe to use, then more power to the person buying Triple X products. Maybe the so called American product companies can lower their prices and make it affordable so we can buy their stuff and won't have to buy Triple X products. Not sticking up for Triple X but we have to realize everyone in this world especially in racing, the sport we love most, are trying to find the best stuff for the least amount spent. Most teams don't have big sponsors like Tony Stewart & Kasey Kahne have. They work hard all week so they can go racing. Wouldn't you like to see 30 race teams out on the track week after week or 15 teams that can afford to buy the ALL American racing products?

If we keep complaining about who made what and we can't buy it because it wasn't made in America, it will only hurt the fans, teams, drivers, tracks and promoters. There won't be sprint car racing. NASCAR… but will there be NASCAR? Toyota coming in that picture and also didn't a/couple Toyota(s) powerplant win at the Turkey Night Grand Prix at Irwindale? Didn't see anyone complaining at the Turkey Night especially the drivers – they were happy to win whether it was Toyota or Chevy. and in the pits stall they werent Asians running the team

Maybe it is time that the other companies look at what Triple X is doing (no difference from Mattel, Fisher-Price, Best Buy, etc) and make changes so the American people can buy products at/similar cost of that Triple X are selling their stuff for.

Maybe there should be a post about Hey American's Racing Companies lower your prices or we are going to buy from Triple X! ha ha ha… (do you think that would work? )

JRP...I'm not putting the finger on one company. I am simply stating about the effect of outsourcing in one small, basically insignificant, cottage industry in the overall picture. I'm sure XXX has parts as good as any built here...but there are ramifications to those who work for these American manufacturers.

I strongly believe that if we don't change our ways, or at least balance the disparity in trade, we are, as a sovereign nation, culture and defenders of the ideals and principles of freedom, doomed to the fate Krusechev stated fifty years ago.

I blame our politicians for selling us out, on both sides of the aisle...with full compliance from an American public that doesn't seem to care until it's too late.

All I'm saying is that we need to support American made products whenever possible. It's nearly impossible to do in the general economy but, hopefully, not in one little corner that we all care about.

I completely agree with you John. The reason we cannot find American made products is because of the people in China, Mexico, etc. are making 2bucks an hour. The American Manufacturing cannot compete with that. Do people in China or Mexico have a race car, go to races, have a second car or truck. No they cannot afford it and this will happen to the American people if we keep going the way that we are.

Just a thought, and an opinion.  Please don't slay me for these comments! 

Unfortunately Americans have played a hand in the situation as others here have already stated.  Look at the work ethic of 30 years ago, and compare it to the last 20 years.  "Yuppies" of the 80's basically killed the desire to "earn" something through hard work.  As an employer it's tough to find any decent workers these days.  Everyone wants $30 an hour for a $10 an hour job, and they want to start out with 2 weeks of vacation, full benefits and so on.  When I was a kid, and when I started working you understood the value of working to gain those privelidges.  It's too bad we have this mindset nowadays, and I wish there were a solution to change it.  THEN maybe we could get to the subject of "American made", and why you should buy it, and not complain about who or why someone would buy something cheaper.  Again, just a thought.