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Where was this track located? San Jose?

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Not what I was looking for. The San Jose Super Mods ran 2 shows on the half mile before the Outlaws arrived in Fall of 1987.

San Jose 1/2 mile... Not in 87. They stopped running the 1/2 mile in 80 or 81. Maybe the 3/8ths.

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Its Baylands I believe and thank you for the great clip? I couldn't make out the name of the winning driver. I heard Shuman's name and think he may have got second. Great clip.

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That's the 1/2 mile at San Jose. You can see the 1/4 track inside. Wolfgang was on a rail.

Laudarevsonhunt...I forgot the supers did run a couple of shows on the big track. Who won those races. Also, I was just flipping through and old speed sport news that had a story on the race and the investigation in to the Revson crash. Sad, sad, crash.

they ran the 1/2 mile in 86. wasn't that the year of the debut of the gambler downtube car with kinser winning at san jose?

In both 1986 & 1987 San Jose ran Outlaw shows on the half mile. In 87 the 2 weeks prior to the Outlaw show the the Mods & BCRA midgets ran shows. Anyone have results or video of it? I remember Kinser starting in the second row & lapping pole sitter Sills on the last lap.

The 86 SJ races was the debut of the 87 downtube gambler.

Peter Revson is last American born driver to win a F1 race.

I going to guess Rick Downey won one of the Mod races on half mile.

They actually ran the half mile in San Jose for both the spring and fall WoO shows in '87. Haud won the NARC show in 1986 that re-opened the track and there were some wicked wrecks that night. That night ran against the Baylands season finale and amazingly they still had around 50 cars. The late models on the half were incredible. All in all it was a wicked fast track. I don't remember who won the other super modified show on the half but I do remember Rick Downey passing Mike Sargent coming off turn four on the last lap to win one of them. I know Grove Hill has some footage of the WoO shows on the half and had Ernie Rose's flip through the sound fence in three and four on the highlight tape from that year which was his last time in a car.

San Jose 1/2 mile and Wolfgang in Weikert's car. He was so fast. Him and Steve. Karl put the new down-tube car together in a motel parking lot and Steve won the first night out in it I believe.

Also, a car hit an orange cone and it flipped up in the air and lodged in Doug's left front suspension. He continued to run and it eventually fell out. I asked Doug about it and he didn't remember it.

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1986 World of Outlaws Copenhagen-Skoal Bandit Shootout Sprint Car Series
San Jose Fairgrounds Speedway, San Jose, California
Thursday, October 16th, Preliminary Feature

Steve Kinser debuted the new 1987 Gambler chassis designed by C.K. Spurlock and Charlie Fisher. It features torque-arm suspension and two new frame tubes that extend from the roll cage to the front end of the chassis. The new bars help stiffen the frame and eliminate flex. The new chassis also allows the engine to be positioned forward, backward, up and down to aid in handling characteristics.

Autolite Pacesetter Qualifications:
1. Bobby Allen, Allen 1A, 18.515 (New Track Record); 2. Doug Wolfgang, Weikert 29, 18.809; 3. Steve Kinser, Kinser 11, 19.142; 4. Bobby Davis Jr., Morgan 6, 19.186; 5. Kenny Jacobs, Hammond 56, 19.192; 6. Brad Doty, Marks-Kepler 18, 19.436; 7. Tim Gee, G&G 88, 19.506; 8. Jac Haudenschild, Saucier 1ST, 19.512; 9. T.J. Winningham, Winningham 9, 19.533; 10. Ron Shuman, Stephens 21X, 19.635; 11. Greg Rule, Rule 5X, 19.648; 12. Jimmy Sills, Cahill-McCarl 7X, 19.672; 13. Dave Blaney, Stanton 40, 19.698; 14. Mark Kinser, Berry 7, 19.716; 15. Tim Green, Owen-Smith 14, 19.741; 16. Chuck Miller, Williams 11X, 19.789; 17. Brent Kaeding, Single 69, 19.797; 18. Steve Siegel, Reid 6R, 19.839; 19. Rick Hirst, Starr 18N, 19.878; 20. Danny Smith, Snow 4S, 19.906; 21. Keith Kauffman, Chinen 20, 19.911; 22. Darrell Hanestad, Consani 4, 19.919; 23. Tommie Estes Jr., Klein 39X, 19.944; 24. Cecil Walker, Walker 49, 19.951; 25. Rick Hood, Fortune 39, 19.965; 26. Joe McCarthy, Roach 02, 19.966; 27. Dave Bradway Jr., Lamar 3L, 19.993; 28. Rick Haugh, Haugh 5H, 20.045; 29. Lee James, Torzilli 1L, 20.119; 30. Shane Carson, Miller 69, 20.195; 31. Rick Downey, JRT 80, 20.237; 32. Gary Lynch, Lynch 7G, 20.243; 33. Randy Turner, Turner 2T, 20.279; 34. Glenn Hopper, Hopper 58, 20.371; 35. Rich Voss, Voss 35, 20.410; 36. Donnie Evans, Leist 88L, 20.423; 37. Jay Smith, Lathrop 9N, 20.485; 38. Wheeler Gresham, Gresham XX, 20.503; 39. Dean Nelson, Nelson 34, 20.520; 40. Gary Hylton, Hylton 8HE, 20.709; 41. Greg Wooley, Eiland 72, 20.879; 42. Jay Follman, Follman 7W, 20.935; 43. Mark Sargent, Sargent 14X, 20.980; 44. Roger Curl, Curl 85, 20.989; 45. Joe Donahue, Donahue 33, 20.990; 46. Ted Harrison, Harrison 24, 21.177; 47. Marvin Mitchell, Mitchell 68, 21.555; 48. Gary Wiley, Wiley 76, 21.765; 49. Keith Nafzger, Nafzger 9S, 21.820; 50. George Marshall, Marshall 43, 21.938; 51. Boyd Schauer, Schauer 30, 22.263; 52. Larry Silva, Silva 77, No Time; 53. Doc Theroux, Gurney 00, No Time.

First Heat Race (8 Laps)
1. Keith Kauffman, 2. Brent Kaeding, 3. Dave Blaney, 4. Rick Hood, 5. Kenny Jacobs, 6. Randy Turner, 7. Greg Wooley, 8. Jay Smith, 9. Joe Donahue, 10. Keith Nafzger. DNS-Bobby Allen

Second Heat Race
1. Doug Wolfgang, 2. Darrell Hanestad, 3. Brad Doty, 4. Ron Shuman, 5. Mark Kinser, 6. Steve Siegel, 7. Shane Carson, 8. Joe McCarthy, 9. Wheeler Gresham, 10. Ted Harrison, 11. Jay Follman, 12. George Marshall

Third Heat Race
1. Steve Kinser, 2. Tim Green, 3. Tommie Estes Jr., 4. Tim Gee, 5. Rick Hirst, 6. Greg Rule, 7. Dean Nelson, 8. Rick Downey, 9. Rich Voss, 10. Mark Sargent, 11. Marvin Mitchell, 12. Dave Bradway Jr.

Fourth Heat Race
1. Danny Smith, 2. Jimmy Sills, 3. Bobby Davis Jr., 4. Chuck Miller, 5. Cecil Walker, 6. Donnie Evans, 7. Rick Haugh, 8. Roger Curl, 9. Gary Hylton, 10. Larry Silva, 11. Jac Haudenschild, 12. Gary Wiley

B Feature (12 Laps)
1. Jac Haudenschild, 2. Kenny Jacobs, 3. Mark Kinser, 4. Steve Siegel, 5. Rick Hirst, 6. Lee James, 7. Joe McCarthy, 8. Shane Carson, 9. Rick Downey, 10. Donnie Evans, 11. Randy Turner, 12. Jay Smith, 13. Rick Haugh, 14. Wheeler Gresham, 15. Roger Curl, 16. Rich Voss, 17. T.J. Winningham

Preliminary Feature (20 Laps)
1. Doug Wolfgang [6] $2,190; 2. Bobby Davis Jr. [4] $1,465; 3. Steve Kinser [5] $1,340; 4. Brad Doty [2] $1,015; 5. Kenny Jacobs [3] $760; 6. Jimmy Sills [9] $625; 7. Dave Blaney [10] $515; 8. Ron Shuman [8] $410; 9. Danny Smith [17] 4390; 10. Jac Haudenschild [7] $360; 11. Keith Kauffman [18] $240; 12. Chuck Miller [13] $185; 13. Mark Kinser [11] $235; 14. Steve Siegel [15] $210; 15. Rick Hirst [16] $210; 16. Lee James [22] $210; 17. Tommie Estes Jr. [20] $165; 18. Darrell Hanestad [19] $175; 19. Tim Green [12] $175; 20. Rick Hood [21] $160; 21. Brent Kaeding [14] $175; 22. Tim Gee [1] $160.
Lap leaders: Brad Doty 1-3, Doug Wolfgang 4-20.

1986 World of Outlaws Copenhagen-Skoal Bandit Shootout Sprint Car Series
San Jose Fairgrounds Speedway, San Jose, California
Friday, October 17th Preliminary Feature

Autolite Pacesetter Qualifications:
1. Bobby Allen, Allen 1A, 19.495; 2. Jac Haudenschild, Saucier 1ST, 19.497; 3. Tim Green, Owen-Smith 14, 19.519; 4. Rocky Hodges, Connie Strohpaul-Trostle 20, 19.577; 5. Kenny Jacobs, Hammond 56, 19.605; 6. Tim Gee, G&G 88 19.648; 7. Mark Kinser, Berry 7, 19.741; 8. Brent Kaeding, Single 69, 19.757; 9. Rick Hood, Fortune 39, 19.759; 10. Dave Blaney, Stanton 40, 19.774; 11. Jimmy Sills, Cahill-McCarl 7X, 19.896; 12. Jack Hewitt, Hampshire 63, 19.981; 13. Danny Smith, Snow 4S, 19.983; 14. Joe McCarthy, Roach 02, 20.007; 15. Ron Shuman, Stephens 21X, 20.011; 16. Bobby Buhler, Alama 17B, 20.061; 17. Donnie Evans, Leist 88L, 20.074; 18. Gary Hylton, Hylton 8HE, 20.092; 19. Rick Hirst, Starr 18N, 20.102; 20. Chuck Miller, Williams 11X, 20.112; 21. Greg Rule, Rule 5X, 20.143; 22. Dave Bradway Jr., Lamar 3L, 20.158; 23. Darrell Hanestad, Consani 4, 20.200; 24. Tommie Estes Jr., Klein 39, 20.207; 25. Keith Kauffman, Chinen 20, 20.221; 26. Steve Siegel, Reid 6R, 20.252; 27. Scott Luhdorff, Luhdorff 4P, 20.288; 28. Lee James, Torzilli 1L, 20.291; 29. Cecil Walker, Walker 49, 20.311; 30. Shane Carson, Miller 69N, 20.316; 31. Gary Lynch, Lynch 7G, 20.352; 32. Rick Haugh, Haugh 5H, 20.408; 33. Rich Voss, Voss 35, 20.477; 34. Randy Turner, Turner 2T, 20.502; 35. Rick Downey, JRT 80, 20.555; 36. Ronnie Day, Chapin 12, 20.600; 37. John Robinson, Robinson 67, 20.668; 38. Bryan Bullard, Bullard 56X, 20.681; 39. Greg Wooley, Eiland 72, 20.729; 40. Dean Nelson, Nelson 34, 20.730; 41. Ted Harrison, Harrison 24, 20.844; 42. Steve Kent, Danell 5, 20.872 ; 43. Roger Curl, Curl 85, 20.940; 44. Jay Smith, Lathrop 9N, 21.013; 45. Wheeler Gresham, Gresham XX, 21.053; 46. Drake Schmidt, Schmidt 77X, 21.114; 47. Mike McCreary, McCreary 71, 21.152; 48. Mark Sargent, Sargent 14X, 21.163; 49. Joe Donahue, Donahue 33, 21.214; 50. Earl Stanton, Stanton 4k, 21.289; 51. George Marshall, Marshall 43, 21.447; 52. Doc Theroux, Gurney 00N, 21.704; 53. Jay Follman, Follman 7W, 21.741; 54. Gary Willey, Willey 76, 21.757; 55. Richard Walsh, Walsh 91, 22.284; 56. Larry Silva, Silva 77, 22.327; 57. Keith Nafzger, Nafzger 9S, 22.394; 58. Marvin Mitchell, Mitchell 68, 22.539; 59. Boyd Schauer, Schauer 30, No Time.

First Heat Race (8 Laps)
1. Rick Hood, 2. Danny Smith, 3. Kenny Jacobs, 4. Bobby Allen, 5. Donnie Evans, 6. Keith Kauffman, 7. Greg Rule, 8. Cecil Walker, 9. Rich Voss, 10. Wheeler Gresham, 11. Ted Harrison

Second Heat Race
1. Jac Haudenschild, 2. Dave Blaney, 3. Dave Bradway Jr., 4. Gary Hylton, 5. Tim Gee, 6. Joe McCarthy, 7. Steve Siegel, 8. Steve Kent, 9. Shane Carson, 10. Bryan Bullard, 11. Randy Turner, 12. Drake Schmidt

Third Heat Race
1. Darrell Hanestad, 2. Jimmy Sills, 3. Ron Shuman, 4. Rick Hirst, 5. Tim Green, 6. Mark Kinser, 7. Scott Luhdorff, 8. Rick Downey, 9. Greg Wooley, 10. Gary Lynch, 11. Mike McCreary, 12. Roger Curl

Fourth Heat Race
1. Tommie Estes Jr., 2. Brent Kaeding, 3. Chuck Miller, 4. Rocky Hodges, 5. Jack Hewitt, 6. Lee James, 7. Ronnie Day, 8. Mark Sargent, 9. Rick Haugh, 10. Dean Nelson, 11. Jay Smith

B Feature (12 Laps)
1. Mark Kinser, 2. Jack Hewitt, 3. Keith Kauffman, 4. Joe McCarthy, 5. Tim Green, 6. Scott Luhdorff, 7. Tim Gee, 8. Steve Siegel, 9. Lee James, 10. Rich Voss, 11. Donnie Evans, 12. Greg Rule, 13. Cecil Walker, 14. Randy Turner, 15. Shane Carson, 16. Bobby Buhler, 17. Gary Lynch, 18. Rick Haugh

Preliminary Feature (20 Laps)
1. Bobby Allen [8] $2,010; 2. Brent Kaeding [2] $1,425; 3. Jac Haudenschild [7] $1,240; 4. Mark Kinser [3] $1,060; 5. Rocky Hodges [6] $710; 6. Kenny Jacobs [5] $615; 7. Dave Blaney [9] $525; 8. Rick Hood [1] $440; 9. Danny Smith [12] $375; 10. Jimmy Sills [10] $325; 11. Chuck Miller [17] $215; 12. Jack Hewitt [11] $235; 13. Tim Gee [4] $235; 14. Tommie Estes Jr. [20] $190; 15. Keith Kauffman [21] $210; 16. Scott Luhdorff [22] $210; 17. Gary Hylton [15] $160; 18. Ron Shuman [14] $165; 19. Darrell Hanestad [19] $190; 20. Joe McCarthy [13] $210; 21. Rick Hirst [16] $160; 22. Dave Bradway Jr. [18] $165. DNS-Tim Green, replaced by Tim Gee.
Lap leaders: Brent Kaeding 1-19, Bobby Allen 20.

1986 World of Outlaws Copenhagen-Skoal Bandit Shootout Sprint Car Series
San Jose Fairgrounds Speedway, San Jose, California
Saturday, October 18th, A Feature #51

First Heat Race (8 Laps)
1. Danny Smith, Snow 4S; 2. Keith Kauffman, Chinen 20; 3. Rick Hood, Fortune 39; 4. Donnie Evans, Leist 88L; 5. Cecil Walker, Walker 49; 6. Steve Kent, Danell 5; 7. Rich Voss, Voss 35; 8. Ronnie Day, Chapin 12; 9. Mike McCreary, McCreary 71; 10. Larry Silva, Silva 77; 11. Tim Green, Owen-Smith 14;

Second Heat Race
1. Rocky Hodges, Trostle 20H; 2. Dave Blaney, Stanton 40; 3. Gary Hylton, Hylton 8HE; 4. Dave Bradway Jr., Lamar 3L; 5. Steve Siegel, Reid 6R; 6. Shane Carson, Miller 69N; 7. Joe McCarthy, Roach 02; 8. Johnny Robinson, Robinson 67; 9. Mark Sargent, Sargent 14X; 10. Glenn Hopper, Hopper 58; 11. Keith Nafzger, Nafzger 9S; 12. Roger Curl, Curl 85

Third Heat Race
1. Ron Shuman, Stephens 21X; 2. Kenny Jacobs, Hammond 56; 3. Jimmy Sills, Cahill-McCarl 7X; 4. Scott Luhdorff, Luhdorff 4P; 5. Rick Hirst, Starr 18N; 6. Darrell Hanestad, Consani 4; 7. Randy Turner, Turner 2T; 8. Gary Lynch, Lynch 7G; 9. Jay Smith, Lathrop 9N; 10. Joe Donahue, Donahue 33; 11. Marvin Mitchell, Mitchell 68; 12. Gary Willey, Willey 76

Fourth Heat Race
1. Lee James, Torzilli 1L; 2. Chuck Miller, Williams 11X; 3. Jack Hewitt, Hampshire 63; 4. Tim Gee, G&G 88; 5. Tommie Estes Jr., Klein 39; 6. Rick Downey, JRT 80; 7. Dean Nelson, Nelson 34; 8. Drake Schmidt, Schmidt 77X; 9. Richard Walsh, Walsh 91; 10. Howard Kaeding, Alama 17B

Preliminary Qualifiers(Top-6 in accumulated points over the two previous nights)
Brad Doty, Marks-Kepler 18 Bobby Davis Jr., Morgan 6
Steve Kinser, Kinser 11 Doug Wolfgang, Weikert 29
Bobby Allen, Allen 1A Brent Kaeding, Single 69
Jac Haudenschild, Saucier 1ST Mark Kinser, Berry 7

C Feature (12 Laps)
1. Ronnie Day, 2. Steve Kent, 3. Rick Downey, 4. Robinson, 5. Mike McCreary, 6. Mark Sargent, 7. Dean Nelson, 8. Joe Donahue, 9. Gary Willey, 10. George Marshall, 11. Keith Nafzger, 12. Richard Walsh, 13. Marvin Mitchell, 14. Jay Smith, 15. Drake Schmidt, 16. Larry Silva

B Feature (15 Laps)
1. Tim Green, 2. Dave Bradway Jr., 3. Tommie Estes Jr., 4. Steve Siegel, 5. Scott Luhdorff, 6. Donnie Evans, 7. Rick Hirst, 8. Darrell Hanestad, 9. Steve Kent, 10. Cecil Walker, 11. Shane Carson, 12. Ronnie Day, 13. Randy Turner, 14. Gary Lynch, 15. Glenn Hopper, 16. Rich Voss, 17. Tim Gee, 18. Joe McCarthy

Steve Kinser wins his 168th career WoO A Feature.

A Feature (30 Laps)
1. Steve Kinser [3] $12,825; 2. Doug Wolfgang [4] $7,500; 3. Bobby Davis Jr. [2] $4,500; 4. Brad Doty [1] $3,500; 5. Jac Haudenschild [7] $2,500; 6. Rocky Hodges $2,040; 7. Keith Kauffman $1,825; 8. Ron Shuman $1,640; 9. Brent Kaeding [6] $1,500; 10. Kenny Jacobs $1,425; 11. Jack Hewitt $1,315; 12. Dave Blaney $1,225; 13. Jimmy Sills $1,115; 14. Mark Kinser [8] $1,000; 15. Chuck Miller $825; 16. Dave Bradway Jr. $760; 17. Lee James $490; 18. Danny Smith $440; 19. Gary Hylton $365; 20. Tim Green $510; 21. Bobby Allen [5] $350; 22. Rick Hood $365. Lap leaders: Brad Doty 1-5, Steve Kinser 6-30.

With this win, Steve Kinser clinches his 7th WoO Championship Points Title.

You want the WoO shows at San Jose in 1987 too?

I'll put it here if ya want, just the thread is like getting hella long but if someone wants it....

What really sucked towards that season is 3 days before the '87 fall San Jose WoO show, Greg Rule was found floating dead in the marina near Oakland due to drowning.

Hey................ you stole that from my post on the other SJ thread................ tha's OK though because you & I are Sargent fans & we have to stick together! lol.

I remeber that cone deal................ it was the restart cone & if I remeber correctly Wolfgang was in Ray & Jay Williams Payless Hardare Rockery car & it was #8, not the usual #11.

I seem to rember the racing on the half mile in 86 was quite dull & it seemed odd as there was a big bump where they crossed the old turn 4 on the 1/4 mile. I also remeber Rich Bubak spinning down the front chute a loooooong way & somehow not flipping.......... the racing was better in 87 but I preferred the 1/4 mile better.

Wolfgang was in the Weikerts Livestock #29 car on the San Jose half mile.

Chuck Miller was in the Payless Hradware and Rockery 11x car at that race.

Wolfgang didn't race the #8 Ray and Jay Williams car for a few years after this race at the San Jose half mile.

So the cone deal must have happened when they went back to the 1/4 mile because I could have sworn he was in the 8 car when that deal happened.................. anybody else rember?????????