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Where are all the mini stocks??? The last few weeks at Brill Motor Speedway, if you had brought your mini to the track you were guaranteed a spot in the A feature, and a top ten finish!!!! Car counts in this division are dismal. If you own/ drive a mini stock you REALLY should be making the pull to Meeker.

If it'll help we might get Perry Colby to run on only 3 cylinders one week. (JK Perry!)

lets have a new ministock class there called run what you brung along as it has four sparkplugs maybe you would see more minis there its a dying class so let them run

Hey I guess I can post on here now. Mini Stock car count has been better {Factorys Pros and Mods as well} but the Drivers I met so far seem to not have any ambition to do anything other than this class. Yes $$$ play a part in any racin and as long as there is racin there will be some teams in every class that throw more $$$$ than other teams. I-44 produced 9 cars last nite and they didnt even run them last year. Car count at Brill is down in this class and the other teams out there might want to consider some grudge racin with some oither tracks. Of course I'm new to this class and I'm intreged and excited to try our luck but all classes really need to look at how to increase their car count and I think a way to do this is through the rules, Ministocks kind of shot them selves in the foot with no standard set of rules witch I'm finding out the changes I'm getting ready to go through when we bring our car to Brill. Isnt there some way you can let out of town cars run maybe 2 or 3 times before they have to comform to your track rules without fear of D Q? Rules sometimes cost people more $$$ and it also appears to be hurting car count as well too.......................... O K I'll edit this post for a little rant, why cant you run what you brung in every class as long as there is a tire rule for that class. and then $$$$ play alot less factor. In my opinion from Mods it dosent matter what you bring to the track it how you set the car up and if the Driver can make it work on that spec tire. My example here is Jorski, heres a Driver that bounght a 4 or 5 year old car that has been through Reed and Timms, has less than 500 HP and is a contenderwhere everwhere he goes. Why? Diver and set-up on that spec tire. Factory Motors cost Thousands of $$$ and I bet you I can build a motor with more HP for less. Put them on a spec tire and make it work! Why cant this work in Minis, Sprints, or any other class?

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

I will be making a trip tp meeker this year just a long haul so not sure when

We need every ones opinion on the subject

Mark is willing to lissen to any ideas or complants.

We could be in trouble if something does not change, Enid and Ardmore dropped us last year

The pay is better at Meeker than any track in the state

Mark has not dropped the pay one time do to low car count he has stuck it out for us

The rules have not changed in 3 years, Mark had a Rules meeting when he started the track and every one voted on the rules and they have not changed one bit. and they check the cars and inforce the rules

Do they need to make a change to the rules

Would a Free pass the first time you come to meeker get more cars to come try it out

JD,

I thank the rules at meeker are pretty basic If Run WHAT YOU BRUNG is what will bring the cars back I am ok with that. But I dont thank it will make any diffrence. The fast cars will still be fast.

I do think if they whent back to no porting on the heads and check them it would close the field up more It just would suck for the guys who have spent the money on ported heads.

I dont thank the tire thing will work like in the mods. The minis are makeing 180 to 250hp Its not like the 500+ in a mod and blowing the tires off.

I am not throwing big $$$$ at our car Yes we do have a nice car but that is threw a lot of work we do everything our selfs. We have been around a long time I have driven many diffrent tipes of cars from Minis to Mods.

Would it help the Minis if I was not there?

We have purchased a used modified we are planning on running some this year as a E-Mod just short on the funds to finish it at this time. I would park the Mini and just run the mod But, The problem I haveis I have sponcers who sined on for the year and are looking forword to a chance of a chanpionship I can not just quit on them.

Perry Colby

Ministock 5c

BMS

Maybe a Grudge deal between I-44 and Meeker and Lawton. Somewhat 3 different tracks, Clyde would probably be receptive to this {as far as having off a night from points}. Does Creek still run them? Maybe let the visiting team have a free Driver Pit Pass. There are Minis out there now sitting around, thats where you'll get some cars if no changes need to be made. Start bringing up young drivers 10 to 12 year old it not uncommon. Mini can be pretty affordable I've heard of cars going for less than $500 race ready. As I said before I'm new to this class and feel as though I can get a couple of years out of this car and have alot of fun along the way. I just know that one thing thats makes our Mods fun is the lack of rules! We will be coming out after a few nights on the little track.

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

Ive got a friend pulling to meeker this weekend but I think if we can get at least one pit pass free I will bring at least 3 other cars with me to try it

JD The no rules works better on a small track like I-44 becouse the cars dont get strung out as bad. Did Colby run the car at I-44 Saturday? We look forward to seeing you at meeker soon.

Ministock05 All you can do is Give Mark a call the # is on the web site he might do somthing like some tow money I do not know. We would like to see some of you come and try it out.

It pays 200 to win and 50 for last in the feature

If you bring up 3 to 5 cars have mark run a grudge race between you guys and Meeker during intermission or at the end of the nite. It might be pretty cool for the Fans.

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

No Colby wont be making his debut until this Sat. or maybe next Sat. Another thought to help car count might be if Mark put a Bounty on you. If someone from out of town can come in and beat you they get a extra $100.

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

I hate to put a damper on this idea, since I started this thread, but Mark has been pretty steadfast about not paying tow money, and he has good reason (s). First , it wouldn't be fair to do it for one class and not another; second, you'd have to set a limit and no matter where you set it someone would feel left out, etc., etc. BUT look at it like this, with the car count as they are EVERYONE makes the "A". And we pay EVERYONE who takes the green flag in the "A", whether you finish on the track or on the trailer. There's a very good chance you'll at least get your entry money back, if not more.

But, by all means call Mark. Can't hurt to try.

Creek County has several mini-stocks and they always have. They use to have the "factory" mini and the outlaw mini. I do not know what their rules are, but they appear to have a good car count in that class each night.

Maybe the track promotor or "owners" need to get together and form what we had in the early 90's w/ Pro Stocks. We had the MAPS, MidAmerican Promoter Series. We could run in the city, Clinton, Clinton, Creek, Meeker, and Tulsa. Maybe that could be some answer.

I remember in the 90's when Meeker would put on a good show in the mini class. But all those guys are not racing now, other than Colby Jr.

I have raced mini stocks and now i race modifieds and i also do beleive tires can limit a big motor in a mini stock but pery you say 180 to 250 hp i think not we have had one making close to 400hp but if we were running the street tires we would never be able to put that to the ground but either way the only way we can come out is if its a run what you brung kind of motor rule maybe do it once a month or somthing like that and if it hapens we would be happy to come out with the modified and the mini or both minis

400 HP for a 2.3

I'm sorry I am not trying to be an instigator here but I can tell you right now that Gaerte Midget 4 cylinders barely make 400 HP and that is w/ major work and 4 seperate fuel injectors and gobs of money in parts.

The Esslinger bad boy 2.3 crate motor w/ alluminum cnc ported head and a big Roller Cam and all the light weight parts offered produces 215 HP. So to give you an idea of what you got to do to get over 200 HP at the flywheel on one of these is not cheap.

I will be at Meeker at least twice before the year is over. The biggest problem with Brill's track compared to CCS or I-44 speedway is it is a bigger track and requires a different gear. When I do go up there I have to either throw a completely different rear end(by the way I am looking for a 3.27 rear end if anyone has one) or back off big time because I am geared for CCS 1/4 mile as is I-44 racers.

I would like to just get a quickchange but your talking $1500 I'd rather spend on other stuff let alone I know Jim won't let me run that and Mark probably wouldn't let us run that.

I wouldn't mind a traveling series like the Oklahoma Outlaw Pony Association. OOPA that would be cool, and just travel to all the tracks but that would be expensive w/ gas prices the way they are.

The biggest thing I think Mark could do is setup events w/ Jim at CCS and blend the rules together since CCS is pretty close to Brill in rules(except port polish, weight jacks, and floater rear-ends and tires)

It takes time to build a class up and Brill will have a big Mini class eventually, there just probably isn't enough cars in the area just yet and the track is just starting to get going.

I would like to reiterate that Brill's rules are probably the biggest thing holding him back but I will still race there just cause Mark is running an A class track.

no it wasnt cheep and the hp range that was told to us was what eslinger told us when we built it and it has the best of evrything but how bout this you want grudge racin you bring whatever you want we can have a lil race then

Here is a dyno sheet for the best Esslinger has to offer in a 2.3 motor or a 2.5 motor.

http://www.esslingeracing.com/crate-engine.htm

trust me but, even if you got the 2.3 block stroked out to 2700cc's + 5.9 Superlight Honda rods, superlight RaceEngineering forged Crank and Pistons, Tricked out .600 lift solid Roller Cam, Dry Sump oil pan, oversized valves, arca aluminum Essy head, with tri-y tuned header, efi intake ported to max, w/ a JBV Heads EFI spacer, Holley 350 worked by Earl Parker Jr.(legend ARCA carb guy) and Super Max Distributor. All the light pulleys. You might come close to 275 HP w/ a dang good dyno and tuner. For all that I just listed you would have an ARCA-4 cylinder motor that would cost somewhere around $10k to build. Not calling BS, just offering my opinion.

Mini stocks can be a fun class! I just think we need to get some of the kids envolved. Didn't Creek use to run a "Young Guns Mini Stock"? A class is only dead if there is no intrest, it probably can be one of the most affordable class of cars.

"Racing is an Addiction cured by Poverty"         
BOBCAT

I like this thread, thought provoking positive posts about saving an affordable class from instinction - whatever "affordable" means now days.

Good job guys, hope you all are from different tracks around the state.

David Smith Jr.
www.oklahomatidbits.com

Ive got a 327 rearend

We need to make the class more "affordable" To do this you need to cut the motors back with out hurting durabilaty.

I believe we need to get common rules

Meeker and Creek are getting closer. The big one is the Ported Heads.

Maybe going to no porting or polishing at meeker would help. I believe this is where we could make the racing better and close the field up. The problem is it will cost the guys running at meeker now more money to build new heads. And you will have to tech it.

weight jacks cost $150 all 4 corners you can do the same thing with spring spacers. Not a big deal to me eather way I use them on the rear and solid spring spacers on the front I can take them out I do not care.

Tires use a Duramater and width rule (hoop) Dot rule stuped DOT Dirt Boss $110.00 Goodyear not DOT $85.00 Radials you can spend $200.00, Pulloffs 30.00 (if we can get enough)

Floater Rear for SAFETY no advantage 50lbs hevier than stock Mustang Rear

Brandon(mod024) and 48mini,

I do not have dyno # for my motors but I believe we are getting 185 to 195 out of our ported, flat tapit 2.3 and 200 to 210 out of our 2.5 Roller