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Just wondering if the WoO has ever tried  a regional mini series within the complete series? For example they could have a mini point series that includes the west coast and Az  etc where drivers collect a point total for those tracks on the entire season with more incentive. 

My thought comes from seeing a lot of teams follow the WoO for a couple months then go to their other summer plans. It would give some good local teams ta chance o keep track of how they do against the regulars without the season commitment. 

I wonder where Abreu and T Kaeding would sit if you took 20 or so races and figured out the points for a small point find. 

What are the pros and cons?

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Sounds like a good idea to me....

Here's another idea that might be interesting.

The WoO could have a short track champion, say tracks 3/8's  and shorter,  and a big track champion for tracks larger than 3/8's. They could still tally points for the overall championship, but it is apparent that the big money teams typically dominate on the larger tracks, but a short track points championship would probably be much more interesting and most likely a much tighter points race. 

I would love it if they did a tri-track mini-series with Kokomo, Haubstadt and Pevely. Pay 20k each race and run USAC midgets with them to ensure the midget guys could run with the sprints. Obviously economically unfeasable but one of those things if I ever won the lottery....

They did something like that in the early 2000's 

Was the Gumout series. I think it was around for 3 years?

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The Gumout Series was a separate series altogether.  What Rod is referring to is something kind of like Ohio Speedweek where the races count toward the season championship, but the points are also tracked for a limited number of events and a champion is named for those events.

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I think back around 2010 Kasey Kahne & Budweiser sponsored a little mini series that had 4 maybe 5 tracks that added up to maybe 10events (2races per track). I think Bulls Gap in TN was one of the tracks, LaSalle in Ill was another one and the final event. I bought a DVD from high vista video of that even and Jason Meyers was the winner of that fund but not sure how much.

Around the same time I think they had some jeans company sponsor the final few events for another little mini series.

The old All Star series, when Guy Webb owned them, has something similar as well. They had a Great Plains, Ohio, Ohio Speedweek, and I think a PA championship series along with a National Series. Not sure if the the payouts for the other reigions took away from the National Champion or not but something is telling me that they did. Also, I believe former ownership also had problems paying the payout as well. For years Ohio Sprint Speedweek didnt even pay anything to the winner, it was just a title.

They are great ideas to have but you probably need to have some sort of sponsorship in order to have a decent payout without taking away from the end of they year payout

It sounds like the ASCS regional series. 

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Hang on.  So you want to reward these guys for NOT running the entire season?  I personally don't like the idea.  It would be easier for local guys to ramp up for this little series whereas the Outlaws are stuck on the road pretty much all year.  Once this mini series is done, the other guys just head home while the full time guys head down the road for their next race.  Your idea seems to reward the outsider but not do anything for the full time guys.  I think that has always been the attraction to joining the WoO tour.  You commit to the entire season and also get a couple of minor perks for being a full blown member.  In the meantime, the guys that came and ran this mini series can just check the schedule and go run at all of the big money races or wherever they choose.  They aren't tied down to anything.  In my opinio, it caters to the outsiders and craps on the WoO regulars.  Now this is only my opinion and I am sure many of you have your own opinions.  Just remember, without the full time WoO guys, you have no mini series to begin with. 

That's where Berg101's idea of a short track and long track challenge would work.  Instead of focusing on a few races in a row it would compile points over the full season.  If extra money could be found to have separate funds for those challenges then it would be an additional reward for the full-timers.

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that would be a good idea especially early in the year when the guys race florida and then head out to cali for a month. have a points series and champions for the 8-10 races in cali early in the year for the ones that cannot afford the entire season.  just like the trek out west after the nationals, do the same there when they hit dakotas and montana on the way to skagit. would be alot of fun and make the car count alot higher

I would think having a mini series would be a tactic a series would take if they are having trouble with the number of traveling drivers, or the overall car counts.  I don't think the Outlaws currently have this problem.

This year, though it just started, have had 22 drivers run every race, from FL to the west coast.  Last year, 13 ran every race with 15 running over half.

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That is why I asked originally. To get the locals to join them at each stop in a larger area and follow for a portion of the schedule instead of just 2 or 3 close tracks. But also to be able to compare locals points to regulars points on a portion of the schedule to se if any locals could stay in the top 5 for points after 15 or 20 races.

But yes no need to spend extra mo ey if the current system and payout works. 

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We can do better than that.  The last race of the season should have every driver that has raced at least 75% of the races.  Invert them based on points and have a 10 lap shootout.  The winner is the WOO champion.  Yes that's more sarcasm.

As far as having multiple points battles in one series.  I think back to the season Badlands speedway raced and he kind of pulled something in the middle of the season where, I think there was a first half championship, a second half championship and I think an overall championship?  It was confusing.  I couldn't tell you who won any of them.

As for the idea of having a short track, long track and overall championship.  I don't like it for several reasons.  First off I think there's already too much emphasis on points as it is.  Second of all, I like the idea of someone not racing for WOO points giving it all they got, will they do that if they are part of a mini series?  Well the potential for more drivers following more races is possible, there's also the possibility that Schats or other regulars will say "We wreck more at short tracks so, now we can skip them and just run the long track series."  So you also have the potential of watering it down too.  Also where does the money come from to pay out another two point championships?  Do you take it out of the main championship purse?  That doesn't seem fair to me since it won't be any cheaper to run the whole season.

in my opinion a champion should be a measure of who's the best at every track they race at.  Other than a few years where there was a split with the WOO and other competing series or maybe the year Kinser ran a half season of NASCAR, can anyone argue that the WOO champion wasn't truly the best sprint car driver and team in the country for that year?

I will say though what could be kind of fun to follow, would be in places like PA where they have a pretty good rivalry.  Have a mini series that involves PA outlaw races only.  So basically take all the WOO races run in PA and have a mini series there.  Since there always seems to be a rivalry between the "posse" and outlaws, this could be a fun way to settle it.  As long as it doesn't take away from the outlaws main point fund, I'd be all for that.

Thats a good point too

I'm on the fence on this issue...

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I still would bet if they would take the time Donny Schatz would win both championships. He is just a dominant racer