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sschrater
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Posted By: welder on November 29 2011 at 08:15:22 PM

Jay Schrock Driver, Owner Pat Haskard the Chance Olds Tin Car on Trailer



Found this photo among my dad's stuff.

 



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Posted By: welder on December 03 2011 at 11:53:03 AM

This car is still around it ran with the KAR at Dodge City, looks just like this still with 40 year old dirt on it. I do not have a name for it



I think when I posted the photo of the car setting in the rafters oh gee 7 or 8 years ago we decided it was Bob or Don Shumard from Dodge City. This appears to be Air Capital??? Wow does it have storm screen in the front winshield or is it plexiglass?? I was told someone associated with the car didn't come back from Vietnam??? 1 of the 50,000. Some gave all for what.


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Posted By: Racing From The Past on December 01 2011 at 11:13:00 AM

I tried to crop this and lighten it up some to get a better look at the driver. The time trials list http://winfield.50megs.com/Hutch_Nationals/Fair/30Jul1966.htm if this is 1966. Roy Bryant is list as driving a #11. Harold Leep is listed as driving the #57 (#11) Nance Brown Hound which as beeen changed to 57?? My first thought was Bob Fitzsimmon in a car from Dodge City? Rick Salem FaceBooked to say it might be Larry Torson. But writes back say it is not Larry of definitely not Bob.

Maybe it blew up or crashed and didn't qualify??



Car might have been owned by Harold and Bill Rebein of Dodge City. There is a picture of a car that looks like this in the Hutchinson News of May 14, 1964. It has the same lettering style 11. Article says it had just set a track record at Liberal and was to be driven by Walt McWhorter. So it may have been worthy of a drive by Bryant in 1966.

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Posted By: leo4502003 on December 08 2011 at 06:30:32 PM
Car might have been owned by Harold and Bill Rebein of Dodge City. There is a picture of a car that looks like this in the Hutchinson News of May 14, 1964. It has the same lettering style 11. Article says it had just set a track record at Liberal and was to be driven by Walt McWhorter. So it may have been worthy of a drive by Bryant in 1966.


The more I try to look in the shadow it does have the Bryant look.


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Posted By: welder on November 30 2011 at 08:40:32 PM

Cleman Humphery



Just realized this car, and maybe Bob Reynolds, Bob Eichor, and Herb Lobdell had similar cars from maybe the same builder. At least this one had late model (for the day) independent front suspension with a sway bar here. I think all those I mentioned were Fords too. All those guy's had good showings when they came to Tulsa, and were top drivers at OKC. Was Cleman related to Evard Humphrey? I never saw that comparison back then.

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Posted By: studieman on December 26 2011 at 03:59:02 PM
Just realized this car, and maybe Bob Reynolds, Bob Eichor, and Herb Lobdell had similar cars from maybe the same builder. At least this one had late model (for the day) independent front suspension with a sway bar here. I think all those I mentioned were Fords too. All those guy's had good showings when they came to Tulsa, and were top drivers at OKC. Was Cleman related to Evard Humphrey? I never saw that comparison back then.


Clement and Evard are brothers. I didn't go to the races before 1965 but was told that there was quite a rivalry between the Tulsa drivers and the OKC drivers and it was pretty serious. They would block for one and another,one time two drivers from Okc stopped a Tulsa driver from winning the feature. One driver would get in front of the Tulsa driver and the other behind him and not let him race until another of their friends passed fro the win. The Tulsa drivers did the same thing to the Okc drivers. I wished that I had seen this.

 

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Posted By: Bkcr on December 26 2011 at 05:23:29 PM

Clement and Evard are brothers. I didn't go to the races before 1965 but was told that there was quite a rivalry between the Tulsa drivers and the OKC drivers and it was pretty serious. They would block for one and another,one time two drivers from Okc stopped a Tulsa driver from winning the feature. One driver would get in front of the Tulsa driver and the other behind him and not let him race until another of their friends passed fro the win. The Tulsa drivers did the same thing to the Okc drivers. I wished that I had seen this.

 

Ray



I can't agree with your idea of blocking for OKC brotherhood or any kind of corporate sacrifice for a team mate even. Think about the whole reason for a guy becoming a driver. He loves the competition challenge and excitement, and is only concerned with his own gain. Has nothing to do with an offer of money or anything. His only goal is to be first! I have seen plenty of dirty drivers two were Harvey Shane and Tommy Vardeman, and they were good at it. But they were only out for themselves or their own anger. There was a difference between that type of "dirty driver" and one that was just "squirrelly" which there was plenty of those. Only thing like team blocking I was ever aware of was when Lil' Al blocked for his Dad's last Indy win, and that was because Jr. couldn't beat his Dad that day, so did the next best thing. As a racer he wouldn't give it a second thought if he could have won. That was cool, and I knew he was a top driver with that much savvy. Stan Schoenberg won Tulsa'a championship in 1965 in an old beater Chevy sedan that just flew. It's body became so wrinkled it resembled tin foil that was wadded up and unfolded then repainted. Dick Colvin as I recall specified the cars be kept "presentable" with legible numbers, and it was like a joke to Stan that he was almost proud of that rough body. He dominated that year, and the next year he had a Plymouth coupe that hit the wall head on at the flag stand and he received a bad cut on his neck putting him out for a while, and he never had success that I remember after that.

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Posted By: studieman on December 26 2011 at 07:12:38 PM
I can't agree with your idea of blocking for OKC brotherhood or any kind of corporate sacrifice for a team mate even. Think about the whole reason for a guy becoming a driver. He loves the competition challenge and excitement, and is only concerned with his own gain. Has nothing to do with an offer of money or anything. His only goal is to be first! I have seen plenty of dirty drivers two were Harvey Shane and Tommy Vardeman, and they were good at it. But they were only out for themselves or their own anger. There was a difference between that type of "dirty driver" and one that was just "squirrelly" which there was plenty of those. Only thing like team blocking I was ever aware of was when Lil' Al blocked for his Dad's last Indy win, and that was because Jr. couldn't beat his Dad that day, so did the next best thing. As a racer he wouldn't give it a second thought if he could have won. That was cool, and I knew he was a top driver with that much savvy. Stan Schoenberg won Tulsa'a championship in 1965 in an old beater Chevy sedan that just flew. It's body became so wrinkled it resembled tin foil that was wadded up and unfolded then repainted. Dick Colvin as I recall specified the cars be kept "presentable" with legible numbers, and it was like a joke to Stan that he was almost proud of that rough body. He dominated that year, and the next year he had a Plymouth coupe that hit the wall head on at the flag stand and he received a bad cut on his neck putting him out for a while, and he never had success that I remember after that.


Like I said I wasn't there but was told that the Tulsa and OKC drivers had quite a rivalry and would try to help each other, it came to me from a very reliable person. I called him this morning and he said he saw it. Everybody is entitled to their own oinion.

Ray



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Posted By: Bkcr on December 27 2011 at 09:13:20 AM

Like I said I wasn't there but was told that the Tulsa and OKC drivers had quite a rivalry and would try to help each other, it came to me from a very reliable person. I called him this morning and he said he saw it. Everybody is entitled to their own oinion.

Ray



I have heard of things like this going on too.

The main idea was (though not accepted throughout the pit area), the main idea was - say you're from the Lawton bunch and you're racing another person from the Lawton bunch - that's one thing.

But when the OkC boys came in, you're still from the Lawton bunch aren't ya? There was a hot rivalry between Wichita Falls and Lawton drivers- it's a wonder actually no one got shot at the race track! My Dad was attacked one time by a 6'6" Indian dude from Wichita Falls, who was doing it as a favor for someone in the 6 cylinder ranks! There were cars that would turn in front of you if you were leading a race and being followed by a rival towns driver. Yes, it happened.

 

This quiet unsaid rule would also be for helping in parts, or even helping to push a car to get it started!

 

Not everybody went along with that, but a few top names did it seems in every town, somewhere, sometime. It seems to have faded out by the late 70's however when car counts were falling a bit and costs were exceeding income more than before. Traveling with the NCRA probably smoothed things over too.

 

By the time Shane Carson had the rivalry with Bob Ewell in the 80's, ---well that was a "Chassis rivalry". A new era had come in.




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Posted By: brian26 on December 27 2011 at 10:38:00 AM

I have heard of things like this going on too.

The main idea was (though not accepted throughout the pit area), the main idea was - say you're from the Lawton bunch and you're racing another person from the Lawton bunch - that's one thing.

But when the OkC boys came in, you're still from the Lawton bunch aren't ya? There was a hot rivalry between Wichita Falls and Lawton drivers- it's a wonder actually no one got shot at the race track! My Dad was attacked one time by a 6'6" Indian dude from Wichita Falls, who was doing it as a favor for someone in the 6 cylinder ranks! There were cars that would turn in front of you if you were leading a race and being followed by a rival towns driver. Yes, it happened.

 

This quiet unsaid rule would also be for helping in parts, or even helping to push a car to get it started!

 

Not everybody went along with that, but a few top names did it seems in every town, somewhere, sometime. It seems to have faded out by the late 70's however when car counts were falling a bit and costs were exceeding income more than before. Traveling with the NCRA probably smoothed things over too.

 

By the time Shane Carson had the rivalry with Bob Ewell in the 80's, ---well that was a "Chassis rivalry". A new era had come in.



Jack Gary told me that with the coupes and sedans that ran in the mid 60s ,you could band and hit each other and not do a lot of damage. When the bugs came in you could not do this because they bounced off each-other like a ping pong ball.

Ray



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I also know that the Supermodified guys weren't allowed to interfere with the 6 cylinder guys issues. In most cases anyway.

 

Even to this day, there is a 'friendly' division between the two groups. Those that went on to the v8's got over it however.

My Dad and Uncle are still straight axle, 6 cylinder guys!LOL




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Posted By: welder on November 26 2011 at 08:09:25 PM

Herb Lubdell all these Pictures are from Jack Coleman



Was an exciting time in racing.  It is bad that most of us missed seeing these races.  Maybe  in my next life.



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Awesome photos thanks for that!


CAJ



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