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Of course you are correct, that's why all forums have the access to post thousands of threads. Find a thread you don't enjoy, simply ignore it. Like someone posted earlier, face-to-face, probably even at the races, people discuss many topics. After all, isn't that how we affect change on our country? By having the freedom to do so? It's almost funny, how the rich can agree on most things, and the middle class can't agree on a damn thing. End of speech.....      I still appreciate all sprint car fans!

Still waiting on the 2,500.00. No on in the USA ever saw that savings. The only thing the people of the USA saw was higher premiums and higher deductibles wih Obamacare!  Obamacare was the worst piece a legislation ever to hit!  And from the people that I talked to that were on it said it was going up each and every year and normally more than 15% a year and again this year 2018 some people's were going up more than 20% and some even as much as35%...they should have never called it the affordable care act....because it was the unaffordable care act.

Merry CHRISTmas and a Happy New Year!

This is true - I know so many families who are getting killed on health insurance BECAUSE of Obamacare.  

     There must be about 10,000 places on the internet where you can argue until you're blue in the face with someone who's political views differ from your own. Those places are about as pleasant as a manure pile.

      There are only a handful of places on the internet where you can talk to other sprint car fans about sprint car racing. Hoseheads is one of those places. I'd say it's probably the best place. Instead of having tag-team pissing matches about politics on a sprint car forum, why don't we talk about the common bond we have in our passion for sprint cars?

Some things (actually a lot) are more important than racing, BUT...

I'm ready to call a truce... agree to disagree

Jeeze!  I've been forced to start discussions about sprint cars on political forums just to get my racing fix!

Jeeze!  I've been forced to start discussions about sprint cars on political forums just to get my racing fix!

Good one!

But nobody on a political site would know what you're talking about....

True, but they would already have strong opinions about sprint cars and would argue to the death that their opinions on sprint cars were the only correct opinions on sprint cars.

But......the Federal government IS involved in your health care. Who do you think the lobbyists in the health industry are swaying? They are involved with manipulating our leaders, of course! There have been problems with veteran health care, you're right. Some are isolated and others stem from fraud. If we had a plan like Canada, the veterans would no longer be treated in isolated facilities. All Americans would have full access. Health care would improve for everyone. A big difference in our health care and Canada's is this. In Canada, people are often treated before they develope illnesses, because they have access. In the USA, people get sick and then illnesses are treated. Until the ACA, preventative medical procedures were not covered by insurance here. I love that the insurance industry for years has griped about providing health care, but as soon as they think the government is going to take that black cloud away from them, they raise all kinds of hell! Must not be such a black cloud for the greedy #&@*?%+s!

I almost never agree with blazer00 on here, but he is just killing it in this thread. The government is already involved in healthcare. What do you some of you guys think Medicare/Medicaid is?

The ACA is not perfect. But it is better than what was out there before -- which was nothing. It is easy to say it sucks and is terrible when you are not the person with a pre-existing condition that couldn't insurance before the ACA because of that pre-existing condition.

The pre-existing conditions is the only good thing in the whole bill.  The rest of the ACA is a piece of garbage....end of story.  It is going up and up with no end in sight.  I could go on and show other years of increases, but I am not going to look for them. I will never have this insurance so I really don't care if you think you are getting a good deal....I know differently.  Talking to people and reading articles about the UCA.   The American people getting a hosing again through this crap ACA or the unaffordable care act!    We the working people have to pay higher taxes for this worthless piece of garbage even if you never have the UCA.  How is that fair to the rest of America.......it isn't.  We not only have to pay part of our own insurance then we the people have to kick in for many somenone else's too on the UCA. 

It is 2,700 pages of bloated/earmarked government.  They could have got this done with less than 20 pages.  But no they had to grease the hands of a lot of senators.  

Here's the deal: Best thing about ACA was end of "pre-existing condition" exemption. That cost insurance companies big $$$, so government is forcing people to buy insurance to pay for that loss, plus insurers raised rates on everybody else. It will get worse now that new tax bill removes mandatory insurance.

To me the mistake is trying to deal profit seeking insurance companies into the mix. I'm for Canadian style "single payer"... every other industrialized country has it & it works

Sorry to those who are sick of this ongoing debate......Strawser.....you speak as though you've actually read the "2,700 pages of bloated/earmarked government" legislation. I don't believe that. Don't say "I could go on and show other years of increases, but I'm not going to look for them" What a cop out! Do it if you have it. The last refrence you gave in an earlier post collapsed in your face......have you even read them yet? Answer this......WHY are the insurance companies raising the rates on ACA policies for 2018? It's spelled out in the article you pointed out a few posts of yours back. READ IT! Don't just state "I know differently" when you debate......Show some evidence that can be backed up, and then stand by it.

I have never said the ACA is perfect, or the total answer to the health care problems in our country. But I do maintain the opinion that we had to start somewhere. We had nothing before that legislation. Our current president promised affordable healthcare for everyone......how's that legislation coming along? Rather than destroy the entire ACA legislation, why not enhance it with amendments. Take out what doesn't work......improve what does.

Actually, I'm going to answer the question here and now as to why policy rates are going up so high in 2018. Our current administration attempted to repeal the ACA and failed. So, a different tactic has emerged that will cause it to implode. Trump plans to (or is going to attempt to) remove all of the subsidies from the private insurance companies providing policies through the ACA that did allow for affordable healthecare policies to exist. Because those insurance companies stand to lose the monies that allowed a "buy down" on policies making them affordable, those companies need to raise the prices of those policies as much as 60% in some cases, in order to keep those insured under the ACA insured. Of course that will drive prices to the point where many will have to drop their policies, therefore imploding the ACA.

 Now, before anyone gripes about the subsidies, remember this. We are paying for the uninsured with tax dollars anyway, so why not use tax dollars to find a way to insure those people? One method is subsidies. Using tax dollars already being spent on a problem, in a different manner to solve the same problem. And, the more people signed up, the less the problem costs. Because the young and healthey are signed up, also. At least that's the premise.

Can you by insurance to cover you when racing sorint cars?

Sorry to those who are sick of this ongoing debate......Strawser.....you speak as though you've actually read the "2,700 pages of bloated/earmarked government" legislation. I don't believe that. Don't say "I could go on and show other years of increases, but I'm not going to look for them" What a cop out! Do it if you have it. The last refrence you gave in an earlier post collapsed in your face......have you even read them yet? Answer this......WHY are the insurance companies raising the rates on ACA policies for 2018? It's spelled out in the article you pointed out a few posts of yours back. READ IT! Don't just state "I know differently" when you debate......Show some evidence that can be backed up, and then stand by it.

I have never said the ACA is perfect, or the total answer to the health care problems in our country. But I do maintain the opinion that we had to start somewhere. We had nothing before that legislation. Our current president promised affordable healthcare for everyone......how's that legislation coming along? Rather than destroy the entire ACA legislation, why not enhance it with amendments. Take out what doesn't work......improve what does.

Actually, I'm going to answer the question here and now as to why policy rates are going up so high in 2018. Our current administration attempted to repeal the ACA and failed. So, a different tactic has emerged that will cause it to implode. Trump plans to (or is going to attempt to) remove all of the subsidies from the private insurance companies providing policies through the ACA that did allow for affordable healthecare policies to exist. Because those insurance companies stand to lose the monies that allowed a "buy down" on policies making them affordable, those companies need to raise the prices of those policies as much as 60% in some cases, in order to keep those insured under the ACA insured. Of course that will drive prices to the point where many will have to drop their policies, therefore imploding the ACA.

 Now, before anyone gripes about the subsidies, remember this. We are paying for the uninsured with tax dollars anyway, so why not use tax dollars to find a way to insure those people? One method is subsidies. Using tax dollars already being spent on a problem, in a different manner to solve the same problem. And, the more people signed up, the less the problem costs. Because the young and healthey are signed up, also. At least that's the premise.

So help me if someone starts talking politics at the Chili Bowl..... I go to races to avoid this kind of talk.