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November 13, 2019 at
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So in regard to the WoO rule that drivers must race in the WoO sanctioned events, does this not affect Gravel because when he is missing he wont be in a sprint car?
Does the JJR team need to fill the seat and attempt to qualify to maintain premium status or whatever they call it?
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November 13, 2019 at
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 13 2019 at 05:25:38 PM
So in regard to the WoO rule that drivers must race in the WoO sanctioned events, does this not affect Gravel because when he is missing he wont be in a sprint car?
Does the JJR team need to fill the seat and attempt to qualify to maintain premium status or whatever they call it?
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Contingency Awards and Sponsor money goes to the team, not directly to the driver AFAIK, so I am sure as long as the team shows up to run at every show they will still qualify. Platinum drivers have lost their ride in the middle of the season before and the team kept their status with a new driver. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
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November 13, 2019 at
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 13 2019 at 05:25:38 PM
So in regard to the WoO rule that drivers must race in the WoO sanctioned events, does this not affect Gravel because when he is missing he wont be in a sprint car?
Does the JJR team need to fill the seat and attempt to qualify to maintain premium status or whatever they call it?
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they are putting somebody in the car to try and race for a WOO championship
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November 13, 2019 at
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Interesting numbers about Gravel. I know we discussed if he would get to within 100 points of 1st and he did. But being 82 points back I also saw he had 4 top 10s less than Sweet and Schatz. 11th spot awards 22 points less than 1st I think, so that multiplied by 4 is 88 points and he would be part of a 3 way mix for first, all single digits apart. It is pretty cool the way it is but....
I know it's a could of would of thing, but the math interests me
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November 13, 2019 at
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 13 2019 at 09:17:47 PM
Interesting numbers about Gravel. I know we discussed if he would get to within 100 points of 1st and he did. But being 82 points back I also saw he had 4 top 10s less than Sweet and Schatz. 11th spot awards 22 points less than 1st I think, so that multiplied by 4 is 88 points and he would be part of a 3 way mix for first, all single digits apart. It is pretty cool the way it is but....
I know it's a could of would of thing, but the math interests me
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Gravel has a mediocre start to the season but wouldn’t be surprised if he had the most points from about May 1 onward.
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November 13, 2019 at
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Ok so another question. It appears the WoO keep driver and owner points separate, so if the JJR team gets most points as a team with 2 or 3 different drivers, who becomes the WoO points champion?
Has a team ever won with a shared seat program,, could it be done?
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: SAF92 on November 13 2019 at 06:54:29 AM
Well looks like Gordon was the exact guy to go and open up a spot for Gravel in the truck ranks haha
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To be fair, it's a part time truck. He's not taking anyone's seat. It would be different if Brett Moffit or Sheldon Creed were out of their full time rides for David.
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: RodinCanada on November 13 2019 at 10:24:24 PM
Ok so another question. It appears the WoO keep driver and owner points separate, so if the JJR team gets most points as a team with 2 or 3 different drivers, who becomes the WoO points champion?
Has a team ever won with a shared seat program,, could it be done?
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In the silly season thread, Johnny Gibson stated that Sammy Swindell won the driver's title in 1997 while Karl Kinser won the owner's title when Mark ran a few truck races. Kelly Kinser filled the seat for those races (and picked up his only WoO win).
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on November 13 2019 at 10:17:55 PM
Gravel has a mediocre start to the season but wouldn’t be surprised if he had the most points from about May 1 onward.
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Ok. I took a little time and crunched some numbers to test your hypothesis because I was curious as well. Using your hypothetical date of May 1st puts us in the tiniest quandary though because there was no race on May 1st. Sandwiched around the date were two races, one at Lake Ozark on April 26, and another at Eldora on May 10th. So I used Lake Ozark as the first cutoff. From Lake Ozark to Charlotte in November, Gravel and Sweet tied for the most amount of points with 8374. Schatz was behind them by 14 markers with 8360.
If you started your tallying with the May 10th race at Eldora and worked from there Gravel did score the most points with a total of 8228. Sweet trailed at 8224, and Schatz was third with 8216. Had Gravel started the year a little bit better we might have had an insane points battle involving three guys slugging it out in the Queen City for the title.
By the way, I used 90 show up points for the Nationals. Is that correct? Quite honestly it doesn’t make a difference “gap wise” because I counted Knoxville as the same for all three drivers. It would just change the overall total numbers, but I think everyone gets the idea.
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on November 14 2019 at 08:54:26 AM
Ok. I took a little time and crunched some numbers to test your hypothesis because I was curious as well. Using your hypothetical date of May 1st puts us in the tiniest quandary though because there was no race on May 1st. Sandwiched around the date were two races, one at Lake Ozark on April 26, and another at Eldora on May 10th. So I used Lake Ozark as the first cutoff. From Lake Ozark to Charlotte in November, Gravel and Sweet tied for the most amount of points with 8374. Schatz was behind them by 14 markers with 8360.
If you started your tallying with the May 10th race at Eldora and worked from there Gravel did score the most points with a total of 8228. Sweet trailed at 8224, and Schatz was third with 8216. Had Gravel started the year a little bit better we might have had an insane points battle involving three guys slugging it out in the Queen City for the title.
By the way, I used 90 show up points for the Nationals. Is that correct? Quite honestly it doesn’t make a difference “gap wise” because I counted Knoxville as the same for all three drivers. It would just change the overall total numbers, but I think everyone gets the idea.
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Thanks for this! I was curious as well. How did you compile the data? Were you able to find points standings from those points earlier in the season? If so where did you find them?
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Potential idea for the Outlaw website...... (off topic)
Put two arrows at the top of each race results page (left and right) so that when you click the arrow it'll take you to the subsequent or preceding race. That would prevent someone from having to click out of the individual race result and go back to the menu to find the result I want.
You could also have a top 10 in points after each race listed at the bottom of the individual race result. Then, as someone would click from race to race they could scroll to the bottom and see how the points changed throughout the year.
Not a big deal, just a thought.
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: SAF92 on November 14 2019 at 09:06:02 AM
Thanks for this! I was curious as well. How did you compile the data? Were you able to find points standings from those points earlier in the season? If so where did you find them?
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I manually checked each race result from the Outlaws website and then put each driver's point total from that race into a spreadsheet. I then added the totals up.
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on November 14 2019 at 11:48:31 AM
I manually checked each race result from the Outlaws website and then put each driver's point total from that race into a spreadsheet. I then added the totals up.
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Thought so... couldn't have been a quick task haha. Was wondering if there was a tool or site I wasn't aware of.
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on November 14 2019 at 08:54:26 AM
Ok. I took a little time and crunched some numbers to test your hypothesis because I was curious as well. Using your hypothetical date of May 1st puts us in the tiniest quandary though because there was no race on May 1st. Sandwiched around the date were two races, one at Lake Ozark on April 26, and another at Eldora on May 10th. So I used Lake Ozark as the first cutoff. From Lake Ozark to Charlotte in November, Gravel and Sweet tied for the most amount of points with 8374. Schatz was behind them by 14 markers with 8360.
If you started your tallying with the May 10th race at Eldora and worked from there Gravel did score the most points with a total of 8228. Sweet trailed at 8224, and Schatz was third with 8216. Had Gravel started the year a little bit better we might have had an insane points battle involving three guys slugging it out in the Queen City for the title.
By the way, I used 90 show up points for the Nationals. Is that correct? Quite honestly it doesn’t make a difference “gap wise” because I counted Knoxville as the same for all three drivers. It would just change the overall total numbers, but I think everyone gets the idea.
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I believe Kings Royal is also 90. Any race that doesn’t follow the normal format gets the 90 point treatment.
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Posted By: SAF92 on November 14 2019 at 02:32:58 PM
Thought so... couldn't have been a quick task haha. Was wondering if there was a tool or site I wasn't aware of.
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Meh, 40 minutes. I was bored haha.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on November 14 2019 at 03:11:20 PM
I believe Kings Royal is also 90. Any race that doesn’t follow the normal format gets the 90 point treatment.
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I thought that might be the case, but I didn't incorporate it.
So, if you give 90 show up points for the Kings Royal Race the new numbers would like this:
From Lake Ozark (4/26) to Charlotte- Gravel 8324, Sweet 8314, Schatz 8312.
From Eldora (5/10) to Charlotte- Gravel 8178, Schatz 8168, Sweet 8164.
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November 14, 2019 at
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on November 14 2019 at 08:54:26 AM
Ok. I took a little time and crunched some numbers to test your hypothesis because I was curious as well. Using your hypothetical date of May 1st puts us in the tiniest quandary though because there was no race on May 1st. Sandwiched around the date were two races, one at Lake Ozark on April 26, and another at Eldora on May 10th. So I used Lake Ozark as the first cutoff. From Lake Ozark to Charlotte in November, Gravel and Sweet tied for the most amount of points with 8374. Schatz was behind them by 14 markers with 8360.
If you started your tallying with the May 10th race at Eldora and worked from there Gravel did score the most points with a total of 8228. Sweet trailed at 8224, and Schatz was third with 8216. Had Gravel started the year a little bit better we might have had an insane points battle involving three guys slugging it out in the Queen City for the title.
By the way, I used 90 show up points for the Nationals. Is that correct? Quite honestly it doesn’t make a difference “gap wise” because I counted Knoxville as the same for all three drivers. It would just change the overall total numbers, but I think everyone gets the idea.
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Thanks for doing that...its very interesting. One thing kind of on the same topic, I don't remember Gravel having a single DNF on the season and I don't think he bent a top wing all season other than from him and Jaxx doing wing dances. Or am I "MISREMEMBERING " LOL.
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Posted By: DakotaDude on November 14 2019 at 04:44:59 PM
Thanks for doing that...its very interesting. One thing kind of on the same topic, I don't remember Gravel having a single DNF on the season and I don't think he bent a top wing all season other than from him and Jaxx doing wing dances. Or am I "MISREMEMBERING " LOL.
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One of the most amazing stats from 2018 was Brad Sweet transferred to every WoO A Main through his heat and didn't have to run a single B Main all season. That wasn't the case this year, but THAT was pretty consistant.
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Posted By: armyduke on November 14 2019 at 05:19:41 PM
One of the most amazing stats from 2018 was Brad Sweet transferred to every WoO A Main through his heat and didn't have to run a single B Main all season. That wasn't the case this year, but THAT was pretty consistant.
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That was an amazing stat. I know a few years ago Schatz had gone better than two seasons or more without a dnf. And people are surprised when those three have been atop the standings for the last 3 seasons. That’s how it’s done folks.
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That race by race total sheet would be nice on the website. I've wanted to reference something like that in the past.
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