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cubicdollars
April 15, 2015 at 05:45:47 PM
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They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


shernernum
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 14 2015 at 03:26:45 PM

Once again, if sprint cars make you so miserable and you feel late models are where it's at, GO WATCH LATE MODELS. Piss and moan all you want but the rules aren't going to change just because you want them to and people aren't going to stop buying Triple-X chassis just because you don't like them. As far as Schatz only dominating outside of central Pa, are you dilerious, stupid or both? Schatz has done quite a bit of winning in central Pa. In fact, he has 18 career wins at Williams Grove which is more than Brian Montieth and 2 time track champion Jim Nace plus many other big names from the past and present. He also happens to have more National Open wins than anyone does. I don't know the exact figure, but I'll bet his win percentage at Williams Grove is higher than anyone with as many or more starts than he has. Not to mention, all of those wins came in World of Outlaws competition and we all know that Central Pa sees its most talented fields when the WoO are in town. I am a Posse fan through and through and you won't find anyone happier than me when I get to see one of our guys beat the Outlaws but I refuse to ignore the facts and the facts are, the World of Outlaws are the best in the business and Donny Schatz is the best driver on the tour right now and has been for quite some time. 98% of Posse fans know this and will gladly admit it but unfortunately, there's a select few idiotic Posse jock riders such as yourself who give us all a bad reputation by posting nonsensical bullshit on this and other message boards so please, as I stated previously, go watch your precious little late models that you're always raving about. The sprint car fans on this message board won't miss you at all.



And as is sometimes said "the grass is always greener."  Go to 4m.net (More trolls than this place has, but that is beside the point), and read all the offseason threads about big name LM guys losing rides, not being able to get rides, retiring in their primes or just past their primes due to travel and cost. 

The financial issues are not limited to 410 racing, and there are plenty of places where late model racing is struggling.  There are two national tours LM and a number of regional tours that do pretty well, but their are also more late model tracks than there are 410 tracks in this country.  This is because there are more places with stock car heritage than Open Wheel and they tend to be in areas where racing is a more generally accepted form of local entertainment (Less NIMBY'S).  No form of racing is perfect and they all have rules (also, if you think loosening up the rules will help, look at all the crap about LM suspension packages over the offseason and the rules that were implemented.) 

No form of local racing is in "great" shape, but Sprint cars are relatively healthy, and maybe in the long run the loss of the big money local teams will even out, and help convince more weekend warriors to give a higher level of racing a go. 



cubicdollars
April 16, 2015 at 08:06:56 PM
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Posted By: shernernum on April 16 2015 at 01:01:35 PM

And as is sometimes said "the grass is always greener."  Go to 4m.net (More trolls than this place has, but that is beside the point), and read all the offseason threads about big name LM guys losing rides, not being able to get rides, retiring in their primes or just past their primes due to travel and cost. 

The financial issues are not limited to 410 racing, and there are plenty of places where late model racing is struggling.  There are two national tours LM and a number of regional tours that do pretty well, but their are also more late model tracks than there are 410 tracks in this country.  This is because there are more places with stock car heritage than Open Wheel and they tend to be in areas where racing is a more generally accepted form of local entertainment (Less NIMBY'S).  No form of racing is perfect and they all have rules (also, if you think loosening up the rules will help, look at all the crap about LM suspension packages over the offseason and the rules that were implemented.) 

No form of local racing is in "great" shape, but Sprint cars are relatively healthy, and maybe in the long run the loss of the big money local teams will even out, and help convince more weekend warriors to give a higher level of racing a go. 



There are 10x as many UNLIMITED late model teams across the country as 410 sprint car teams. There are 10x as many limited sprint car teams across the country as 410 teams. The sprint car teams are already out there. Tires and downforce are the problem. Cheap -12 heads are still winning Outlaw shows at short tracks. NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, late models, modifieds, etc, all have limited their tires and aerodynamics. If sprint cars did, a 360 could win an Outlaw show at the Grove. A 360 makes as much power as WoO car used to.

Dirt late model shows this weekend.....


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com



fiXXXer
April 16, 2015 at 08:40:59 PM
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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 16 2015 at 08:06:56 PM

There are 10x as many UNLIMITED late model teams across the country as 410 sprint car teams. There are 10x as many limited sprint car teams across the country as 410 teams. The sprint car teams are already out there. Tires and downforce are the problem. Cheap -12 heads are still winning Outlaw shows at short tracks. NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, late models, modifieds, etc, all have limited their tires and aerodynamics. If sprint cars did, a 360 could win an Outlaw show at the Grove. A 360 makes as much power as WoO car used to.

Dirt late model shows this weekend.....



Well I'll be damned! Look at all of those late model races! Suggestion, pick one of those (or 2 or 3) and go. That way, you won't have to be on here bitching about the sad state of sprint car racing anymore. 



shernernum
April 16, 2015 at 10:06:46 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 16 2015 at 08:40:59 PM

Well I'll be damned! Look at all of those late model races! Suggestion, pick one of those (or 2 or 3) and go. That way, you won't have to be on here bitching about the sad state of sprint car racing anymore. 



What part of "there are more places in this country that have a stock car heritage than an open wheel one."  There are more late model teams because there are and have been for years, more late model tracks.  This is not because of rules but because sprint car racing (especially high level sprint car racing) has only ever been the dominant form of racing in a few regions.  They traveled everywhere but were/are novelties outside of a few main places. Late model racing is not in great shape financially either...even with more big purse races.  there are less traveling teams now than there were 10 years ago.  just look at the full timers lists on the two national tours.  The top guys are still the top but there are fewer of them and less traveling mid Level guys.

im not saying rules cant be part of the sprint car problem, but every form or racing shares in having problems because the money isn't there that was there a decade ago.  Btw if you added in all the wingless teams with the winged ones the comparison would be far more even.



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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 16 2015 at 08:06:56 PM

There are 10x as many UNLIMITED late model teams across the country as 410 sprint car teams. There are 10x as many limited sprint car teams across the country as 410 teams. The sprint car teams are already out there. Tires and downforce are the problem. Cheap -12 heads are still winning Outlaw shows at short tracks. NASCAR, IndyCar, F1, late models, modifieds, etc, all have limited their tires and aerodynamics. If sprint cars did, a 360 could win an Outlaw show at the Grove. A 360 makes as much power as WoO car used to.

Dirt late model shows this weekend.....



This list would be a lot more impressive if didn't repeat the same events over and over again. Hell, 34 Raceway is listed on here four times. 




fiXXXer
April 16, 2015 at 11:33:42 PM
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Posted By: shernernum on April 16 2015 at 10:06:46 PM

What part of "there are more places in this country that have a stock car heritage than an open wheel one."  There are more late model teams because there are and have been for years, more late model tracks.  This is not because of rules but because sprint car racing (especially high level sprint car racing) has only ever been the dominant form of racing in a few regions.  They traveled everywhere but were/are novelties outside of a few main places. Late model racing is not in great shape financially either...even with more big purse races.  there are less traveling teams now than there were 10 years ago.  just look at the full timers lists on the two national tours.  The top guys are still the top but there are fewer of them and less traveling mid Level guys.

im not saying rules cant be part of the sprint car problem, but every form or racing shares in having problems because the money isn't there that was there a decade ago.  Btw if you added in all the wingless teams with the winged ones the comparison would be far more even.



I actually agree with you. You're right on the money with everything you said. All I'm saying is the guy is on here all the time creaming his jeans over how healthy and amazing late models are because of their rules packages and how terrible sprint car racing is because of the rules and Chinese chassis so I figure instead of bitching about sprint cars, he should just go watch late models and then he won't have anything to bitch about and we'll all be happier. 



shernernum
April 17, 2015 at 07:49:32 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 16 2015 at 11:33:42 PM

I actually agree with you. You're right on the money with everything you said. All I'm saying is the guy is on here all the time creaming his jeans over how healthy and amazing late models are because of their rules packages and how terrible sprint car racing is because of the rules and Chinese chassis so I figure instead of bitching about sprint cars, he should just go watch late models and then he won't have anything to bitch about and we'll all be happier. 



yeah, sorry, I meant to quote Cubic not you....oops



vande77
April 17, 2015 at 09:46:38 AM
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Short Track racing as as whole has huge financial issues.  Look at modifieds, Late Models and Sprint Cars.  All are dealing with the exact same issues, purses are stagnant, fans in the stands get less and less yearly, and costs continue to increase.

Do Late Models have a lot of big $$ races?  Yes, but they are big $$ to WIN, they are pretty poor overall once you get past that winners share.  (I have listened to driver interviews where they drool over what Knoxville pays the Late Models because once you get past the winners share, it pays out more $$ than the Dream 100 and World 100 for every other position.)  Late Models are in as bad or worse shape than Sprint Cars are in (IMO) when it comes to costs.

Do Sprint Cars have a lot of big $$ races?  Not comparatively, however their overall purses rival what many of the big $$ late model races total purses are, there is no apples to apples comparisons.

To me the biggest issue (in all of short track racing) that needs to be addressed is how to get more butts in the seats.  You can't raise purses unless tracks increase revenue (ie: Ticket sales).  Unless tracks figure out how to fill the stands more regularly, purses will continue to be stagnant (or decrease) while costs to competitors (and fans) continue to increase.

 




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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 15 2015 at 03:29:08 AM

The fact still remains that very few people actually like the idea of chinese racecars. Most people are just willing to look the other way, especially for a deal. It would have never been allowed to happen years ago. Major series like NASCAR and their sponsors wouldn't allow it to happen today. It's too bad of PR.

And no one likes the idea sprint car racing is split up between a bunch of different engine classes. Most fans would rather just see them unlimited.



Oh, so now your the spokesperson for "most fans" ? 



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Posted By: vande77 on April 17 2015 at 09:46:38 AM

Short Track racing as as whole has huge financial issues.  Look at modifieds, Late Models and Sprint Cars.  All are dealing with the exact same issues, purses are stagnant, fans in the stands get less and less yearly, and costs continue to increase.

Do Late Models have a lot of big $$ races?  Yes, but they are big $$ to WIN, they are pretty poor overall once you get past that winners share.  (I have listened to driver interviews where they drool over what Knoxville pays the Late Models because once you get past the winners share, it pays out more $$ than the Dream 100 and World 100 for every other position.)  Late Models are in as bad or worse shape than Sprint Cars are in (IMO) when it comes to costs.

Do Sprint Cars have a lot of big $$ races?  Not comparatively, however their overall purses rival what many of the big $$ late model races total purses are, there is no apples to apples comparisons.

To me the biggest issue (in all of short track racing) that needs to be addressed is how to get more butts in the seats.  You can't raise purses unless tracks increase revenue (ie: Ticket sales).  Unless tracks figure out how to fill the stands more regularly, purses will continue to be stagnant (or decrease) while costs to competitors (and fans) continue to increase.

 



Get more butts in the seats by show casing young marketable racers (Kyle and Rico), and find sponsors that cater to the young crowd. Most people have no clue what the drivers look like. IF we can get more fan interaction with the racers pre and post race this can only help. I like what the NFL does by showing up close videos of the players, state, position, and what college they went to. "HI I'm Brian Brown, Driver the FVP, Searsboro, Casey's General Store 21", blast that on the video screen every chance you get. 

Get more butts in the seats by creating an event that's family friendly. At the same time creating an event will turn off the hardcore fans that complain about 15 mins of down time and $15 ticket prices.

I'll use Knoxville since that's the track I frequent the most...has done a great job of marketing these past few years, offering free kids nights, discounted ticket packages, etc. 

I know I got off topic....


Keep It Real

dsc1600
April 17, 2015 at 12:21:28 PM
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One of the things that seems to be working is the "free" pit pass promotions. I took a trip out to California and went to Placerville and Calistoga, and while the ticket prices were outrageous, getting a "free" pit pass and being able to see the cars up close and the crews and drivers discussing the night's events really added something to the show.

 




vande77
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Get more butts in the seats by show casing young marketable racers (Kyle and Rico), and find sponsors that cater to the young crowd. Most people have no clue what the drivers look like. IF we can get more fan interaction with the racers pre and post race this can only help. I like what the NFL does by showing up close videos of the players, state, position, and what college they went to. "HI I'm Brian Brown, Driver the FVP, Searsboro, Casey's General Store 21", blast that on the video screen every chance you get. 

Get more butts in the seats by creating an event that's family friendly. At the same time creating an event will turn off the hardcore fans that complain about 15 mins of down time and $15 ticket prices.

I'll use Knoxville since that's the track I frequent the most...has done a great job of marketing these past few years, offering free kids nights, discounted ticket packages, etc. 

I know I got off topic....



totally agree.

I really don't care how the tracks get more butts in seats, but that has to be the end goal for all tracks (and should be for drivers and team owners as well).



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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 15 2015 at 03:29:08 AM

The fact still remains that very few people actually like the idea of chinese racecars. Most people are just willing to look the other way, especially for a deal. It would have never been allowed to happen years ago. Major series like NASCAR and their sponsors wouldn't allow it to happen today. It's too bad of PR.

And no one likes the idea sprint car racing is split up between a bunch of different engine classes. Most fans would rather just see them unlimited.



I have been to tons of sprint car races and talked with many, many fans and nobody has ever said one word about where the cars chassis was built. Fact is very few fans care where the cars are built.

 

Nascar openly promotes japanese cars by allowing toyotas to race with them.



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I have been to tons of sprint car races and talked with many, many fans and nobody has ever said one word about where the cars chassis was built. Fact is very few fans care where the cars are built.

 

Nascar openly promotes japanese cars by allowing toyotas to race with them.



don't confuse him facts, he's set on his delusions.




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I have been to tons of sprint car races and talked with many, many fans and nobody has ever said one word about where the cars chassis was built. Fact is very few fans care where the cars are built.

 

Nascar openly promotes japanese cars by allowing toyotas to race with them.



Nevermind the fact that Toyota operates six manufacturing plants in the US and have produced almost every notable model in the US. 



vande77
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Nevermind the fact that Toyota operates six manufacturing plants in the US and have produced almost every notable model in the US. 



XXX chassis produces a lot stateside too, but again, Cubic is confused when you bring up facts.



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Never in a million years would NASCAR allow a chinese built stock car chassis on the track. Japan has world class manufacturing capability and TRD is still based in the US. Chassis are built in house by the teams in Charlotte and engines are built by TRD in California.

 

No one is buying what you chinese scabs are saying. That's why they have to give them away. http://www.ycmco.com


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com



cubicdollars
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I love run whatcha brung as much as anyone but no one can afford it. Unlimited CID 430s and big blocks are the direction they should be heading instead of $55,000 10 race 410s and $35,000 360s, 358s and 305s. The fans aren't going to notice that they can't stand their wings way up anymore, but they are going to notice a bunch of low buck underdog racers coming out of the woodwork instead of a 3 different sprint car classes and short lived rich daddy race teams. 


 

 

 

They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com


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Posted By: cubicdollars on April 18 2015 at 05:15:03 AM

Never in a million years would NASCAR allow a chinese built stock car chassis on the track. Japan has world class manufacturing capability and TRD is still based in the US. Chassis are built in house by the teams in Charlotte and engines are built by TRD in California.

 

No one is buying what you chinese scabs are saying. That's why they have to give them away. http://www.ycmco.com



I really can't tell if you are as big of a idoit as you sound? Or if your like a kid just looking to stay busy with nonsense ramblings that's  just pure racism and arrogance. You truely must be this dumb because no one with a brain would waist there time thinking of the next stupid thing to say on hoseheads! I'm done now and won't be coming back to any of your threads or post, not worth the time I will loose in life, that could have been spent doing something way more constructive! eventually everyone will figure out, if you don't acknowledge him he will go away, may take some time but he will be board with out anyone to get fired up.

I realy love how you are now NASCAR SPOKESPERSON, lmao wow





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