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jdsprint71
March 10, 2011 at 01:36:07 PM
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Ray, A brand new PS unit 1/2 box what the latest style is , will run ya about $1400 to $1500 depending on some options. Used older units say within 10 yrs. old that proably need freshening on some sites go anywhere from $400 to $800 depending on time on them and anything else ,Dead Tube Style Units.

A guy who use to run a parts business several years ago in Texas told me that you could buy a standard car with no lightweight pieces on it for about $22,000 and that is no motor and on up with more lightweight rearend and steering gear and Ti components on brakes and bolts and other things, I think he said lightest car would get up in lower $30 G's.

One thing today is the resale value of used parts that are within 5 or so yrs.old have gone down tremendously it seems to me and on top of that around here there really is not a BIG demand for Open Wheel parts that are used.

I see a lot for sale on sites and usually they are on there for a long period of time , because usually they ask to much to begin with and then think they can go down in small increments and then finally realize it just not going to get anywhere close to what they want and then they will settle for what they can get usually after an extended period of time.

I guess you can thank the import open wheel frames from overseas now from Triple XXX Race Co. My friend who was in the Race Parts Business told me right before he got out of the deal and Triple XXX was just getting going and he made a statement to me one time that they would doom the Used Openwheel market and I do believe he is correct on that statement today for example you can buy a Wing Tree from Triple XXX Race Co. for about $50 and it will be new and if you go to a swap meet or look on the computer and see them for $40 used , why not just buy a new one then and no worries if it is bent/cracked or ??? and their frames are probably half the cost of Maxim/Eagle/J&J and others made in this country and now that has made folks race their equipment more and keep it longer till I guess you can say it is totally used up and then really not worth much. Just my observations on the resale market today.

J.D.



Racing From The Past
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March 10, 2011 at 01:55:51 PM
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This message was edited on March 10, 2011 at 01:57:44 PM by Racing From The Past

"I guess you can thank the import open wheel frames from overseas now from Triple XXX Race Co"

I been preaching for years buy American (that is USA American not South American or Central American). It is so bad now how can you do this. In the 80's & 90's you still had a choice in many products. Now it is very limited for consumer products. Read the labels if you don't understand.

Now sprint car chassis? I hope it is not a pennies on the dollar country. If you don't know what countries those are go back to sleep and wake up when all of our manufacturing base is gone.


Warren Vincent
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jdsprint71
March 10, 2011 at 03:02:52 PM
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Warren, It has been in BIG TIME debates on Hoseheads message boards several times before about the import chassis , they are from China from what has been posted before on boards, I think they build the sides over there and then crate them here on ships and the sides are welded together up in Washington State , there has been issues brought up with the Moly Tubing Certifications and some other issues.

Anymore race manufacturers like Winters in Pa. and DMI in Pa. and others get some of their pieces made overseas and then ship them here and add them to the pieces that they still make here and assemble them and sell them, I know some race parts places get race parts made in Mexico, like lots of pieces for Modifieds and Sport Mods and some Open Wheel stuff as well.

Like I said the Triple XXX frames are about 1/2 or so of what a frame made in USA cost and seems more and more are running them.

I run Eagle chassis made in Springfield , Ill. but have to admit have run a Triple XXX front axle last year and tried the cheap route and got into one small wheel bangin incident and it tore the lower RF Radius Rod pick up point on the axle and junked it , so went to M & W Alum. Prod. in New York this year and bought 2 new front axles from them and both look of better quality metal and welds as well , cost a bit more but hopefully better quality.

J.D.

You still have more chassis choices from US than import but with parts and pieces for race cars being made less and less here , figure down the road be that way with Chassis Co. as well.



Bkcr
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March 10, 2011 at 03:59:49 PM
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Posted By: jdsprint71 on March 10 2011 at 03:02:52 PM

Warren, It has been in BIG TIME debates on Hoseheads message boards several times before about the import chassis , they are from China from what has been posted before on boards, I think they build the sides over there and then crate them here on ships and the sides are welded together up in Washington State , there has been issues brought up with the Moly Tubing Certifications and some other issues.

Anymore race manufacturers like Winters in Pa. and DMI in Pa. and others get some of their pieces made overseas and then ship them here and add them to the pieces that they still make here and assemble them and sell them, I know some race parts places get race parts made in Mexico, like lots of pieces for Modifieds and Sport Mods and some Open Wheel stuff as well.

Like I said the Triple XXX frames are about 1/2 or so of what a frame made in USA cost and seems more and more are running them.

I run Eagle chassis made in Springfield , Ill. but have to admit have run a Triple XXX front axle last year and tried the cheap route and got into one small wheel bangin incident and it tore the lower RF Radius Rod pick up point on the axle and junked it , so went to M & W Alum. Prod. in New York this year and bought 2 new front axles from them and both look of better quality metal and welds as well , cost a bit more but hopefully better quality.

J.D.

You still have more chassis choices from US than import but with parts and pieces for race cars being made less and less here , figure down the road be that way with Chassis Co. as well.



I had no idea that the parts were being made out of the country. Mr Nance is probably rolling over in his grave. I do not now how to respond to overseas parts for sprint cars since that is a totally American sport. I hate to be prejudice but the Chinese will own us in a little while if they don't already. I have let my subscriptions to "Sprint Car and Midget" and "Flat Out" expire, I just did not enjoy them, are they printed in the States? They are nothing like the original "Open Wheel". My sons tell me to quit looking to the past but I like it a lot be than the present.

Ray



jdsprint71
March 10, 2011 at 04:34:18 PM
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From what I understand more and more pieces being made and imported, Cost deal and if some do it then all must follow to be competitive and survive I guess but agree with ya totally , someday they will own us if they already don't now.

I believe both Magazines are printed in US , SC&M from what I have been told is actually owned by Lanny Edwards and Emmitt Hahn, told that about 5 yrs. ago and makes sense seeing you see full page ads and schedules of ASCS and Edwards tracks in there alot.

Flat Out is a better mag if ya ask me and it is only Bi Monthly and SC&M is monthly , Flat Out does more driver and track and tech stories. SC&M seems to do some but they got that deal Argabright does every month , some continuing story on someone or ???? and it seems like a waste of pages to me, never read it, like it when they do stuff on racers and things like that, not some fictional character , anyway said my 2 cents on the mags, but still get them both.

Ya know the Internet almost about killed publications like the Speed Sport News, they sure have changed their ways over the years , they do a lot more stories about how the racing is in all forms than use to , they just relyed on results and results can be found in minutes after the race on the internet and at least they realized it and do more articles now , for a while there the Speed Sport News seemed useless and kind of waste of money but now seems like I get my $$ worth in the subscription with articles and investigative type stories on racing.

Guess times just change all the time now. J.D.



billfh
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Posted By: mlcole on December 28 2010 at 01:44:07 AM

I remember opening night at The Tulsa Speedway. Walking up the ramp and looking at the grandstands and the size of the track. Big was not the word for it. Had that same feeling again when I went to Daytona. Fast and hold your breath track. Driving into turn one for the Modified or Supers A feature was more a survival thing then a racing thing. In those days there was really nothing to do but go to the races. Cable wasn't around and computers? What was that. Nintendo was something that was in the future and never heard of. Heck just a few years prior to the opening of the big track, we landed a man on the moon. One of my fondest memories was the NCRA race in October of 1976. Dale Reed in Shot Hamptons 94 passed George Armstrong on the last lap in the last corner to win. It was a bitter and I mean bitter cold night. But it was a great race. Hahn and Crawford rivalries was one of the best. I was a Crawford fan. But when we went out of town to an NCRA race, had to yell for any of the Tulsa guys that were doing great.

Done rambling



Armstrong was my driver and he always seemed to falter late in races after having the lead, which made us kids root for him even more. Ray Crawford was also great, and anytime he beat Emmitt Hahn was a good night. I went about every week between '76 and '79, great memories. I wish I still had my copies of Speedway News which I'd read cover to cover.

hair24fan
August 04, 2012 at 10:54:26 PM
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Posted By: Racing From The Past on October 01 2009 at 12:59:56 PM

From the Mike Monotoboy collection

The driver was Larry Ashlock. His sons are posing with him here. The big guy is Cope Miller, also known as "The Indian". Ronald Guffey is the short guy 2nd from the right.

This is Terry Uehlings #27 car out of Kansas, bought after the'71 season.



THEM BOYS ARE COPE'S SONS NOT LARRY'S



Tony74
April 02, 2017 at 09:20:13 AM
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Posted By: jdsprint71 on March 08 2011 at 05:25:26 PM

Ray, You can go to auctions today and buy frame/kits that are 10 yrs. or less for $150 to $300 and a Roller without Motor for $2,000 if the seller is willing to let it go at that and have seen that before.

It is crazy deal today , pay in Champ Sprints ranges from $400 to $1,000 depending on where you run in Okla., bad deal today but if you want and still desire to race then that is what you have.

J.D.



Can you still find those kits on ebay?





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