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The difference is 3.1 million people estimated in Iowa VS 12.8 million people in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania is also a smaller state and has a higher income per captia. This results in more potential cars in a smaller area. It still stretches some car counts thinner than they would be when running the same night out there but not as bad as they do in the midwest. That was my arguement. I dont see how this is a stetch for some to undertstand. Then again after reading this garbage I do.

If anyone is thinking TMAC is not getting some sort of kick back he is a fool. I dont know what he gets and it probably doesnt have to be much to bring him there. He stated he can be bought... He was. End of arguement. It is also likely others are getting something too when they come but I have no proof. No one else has proof they aren't and they wouldnt tell you if they were. Its good business on Chucks part. It is just impossible for other to complete.

Depending on points I will agree with you that 3 of the 4 will likely be at Knoxville. But you never know now a days. Itll probably be a 25,000 to win show that night where fans, drivers, and crews are paid 20 bucks each to come to Badlands! Wonder why anyone in the 641 area code cant do awesome things like this. Come on bud.

OK...I'll bite...

SpeedwayMotors4x, you posted:

"And yes believe or not a 360 has raced with the 410s to at knoxville so get over it."

"And knoxville had about 10 real 410s with the rest being fillers and indeterminate 410s"

Please post who and when. I will wait...z 

Davey Heskin blew a 410 in his heat and only motor he had was his 360. He put it in and ran top 5. I believe It was around the year he was in a tight point battle with McCarl. Get the for sure confirmation this weekend will you for me? 

Wow.... Midwest guys get just as riled up & argumentaive as Pennsyltuckians

1st off I've been going to Knoxville since 1963 seen some good years plus some bad years,yes the racing is good better then good Sammy has been at Knoxville for 4 weeks with only 1 win, so Knoxville bunch is fast, but see the problem is badlands guy comes along and screws racing up in the Midwest for 5 years or so, then finds out he bumped his head , cause all the money he pays out, and yes he is paying them 4 or 5 guys to come call it tow money? And a bunch of it, but after them years he finds out that he still only gets the same  20 cars and the same 2000 people he's going back to Vegas or selling the track seen it to many times to count, then let's hope there's a Knoxville or John McCoy to pick up all the broken sh&t, if I'm wrong next time your at a track you go to all the time look around its the same people each week, don't seem to matter much who's coming or who racing accept national events that happen once a year at each track, but I will say just having a key that works the lock to open each sat night is not promoting races , when times are down the track should be calling racers working phones calling in favors cause fans do need to get there money out of the night, there are guys racing all over the Midwest for less money then Knoxville let there be 17 to 20 410 cars they are alittle hard to get but there's know reason Knoxville can't work to earn more 360 cars or 305 cars there are 15 cars in Des Moines running that never come to Knoxville? Yes they run a different motor program Why? There could be a Knoxville champ a Des Moines champ and yes even a state champ, it just takes some real work not just a key that fits, so racing at Knoxville mite seem and look better if we had 25 or so 305s and 30 360 cars then we can live with 17 to 23 410 cars, and yes badlands is really a bad thing for all racing chucks 1st press meeting said it all he was out to get Knoxville, or new very little about sprint cars so that's bad for racing, working together gets all the cars, cause I've seen drivers drive 5 hours away to be a winner and race for less money to do it, just look lasoski has 124 wins at Knoxville mcarl has 100 wins at badlands see what I mean, know one makes money but we all like to win.people I'm sorry this is so long but all that's happening is badlands is f-ing things up.after Knoxville.Is down for good and then nsl is gone, sure hope chucks all he says he is,I'm just not ready to bet my pay check. Knoxville needs to stop the ones on the take from even racing here all year , cause them 4 or 5 hurt racing as bad as chuck, cause they are helping hurt other tracks just over a little money cause nsl money makes it the same, bet they cash that nationals check seem wrong just stay up there, one of them drivers have been on the take longer then most fans understand. Thanks for your time.

You people are nuts Knoxville will not let 360 cars run with the 410 cars they stopped that years ago, why all the hate? We are all fans and all in this together as a fan we all want all the cars at both places, but all that is just nuts, I've heard all the dum talk I've been told mcarl got paid 150 thousand to be at badlands each week but the Nationals , it's hell being a kept women see all this talk helps know one, working things out can it be do Need?

Mite be a time to take some pressure off the 410 class if we are going to race the 305 class support it race a nationals for them run them on a 2 day show with the nsl or something , give them 2,000 to win mite just get 100 of them, there are all kinds of ways to promote, I don't see anything in the paper any more nothing on the news sat night or Sunday night, some times you got to go and work harder then ever to get them 25 extra people or the last 8 cars you called and worked hard to get  up to Knoxville , the new track people seem to be connected in the sprint car world, got radio shows, tv shows on mav tv I'd think good use of that can only draw cars, but right now smart use of money and and taking all the pressure off the 410 class is smart, you can run more cars for less money on weekends with 410 shows , cause yes Knoxville loves there 410 cars at times the other classes are the step kids around there,but used right mite just carry us threw the bad times until chuck crashes his badlands and bad boys. Hope all the weekly fans remember them 4 or 5 driver when it comes down to shirt sales and cheers,?

Yes they do ! But one more thing Knoxville needed  to do is kids free is nice, but them seats are paid for, they are many seats not used, there is little for kids 17 and 18 to do in Knoxville maybe that age kid should be free, mom can give them 20 bucks and I'm sure they will spend each dollar of it , the problem is I have a family of 5 each week I give Knoxville a 100 bucks I'd pay them in blood to be there, since 1963, but that's also 400 a month that's a house payment or car payment? A lot to ask people to do , a single mother don't have it, but if the kids high school age was free give them 20 bucks they spend it Knoxville wins ,kids got a hang out mite just become a life long fan, plus that seat had zero but in it, big picture more fans, big cheers, mote shirt sales happy kids , just thinking out loud just thinking we are pricing the fans out of weekly racing and getting fans that race sometimes, not good,single moms and kids don't care about point funds and winnings, just it they can afford to go and for some it's know, I've got old programs from Knoxville and it said Ray Lee Goodwin wins in front of 4700 people , don't get that now ever outlaws no? Why yes more places to spend but really that's just a why to say I'm not doing anything new or hard, it's ok this way, lets talk about it 10 more years until we get it down to the point know one comes ,its all wrong!

Well from what I can tell with Badlands moving to Saturday nights they are drawing lot more from North Dakota cars. 

Please use english.

1st the problem of 300 mile,it's the fact that there is very few 410 sprint cars , it takes cars from all over to make a great show , that's why they all raced at Knoxville and then drove to husets that's why Jackson ran on Friday see that's working together and the fan win then, but chuck came in like a wrecking ball and said I'm sick of Knoxville, where is it in tenn. or something, that is shoots fired in my book, he was out to get them and all weekly tracks or why race both nights 360 on one night 410s on another fight, Knoxville will make it your right history says so, they seen all this before,but after 5 years when racing is all screwed up and chucks putting on kiss reunion shows at South Dakota nursing homes where and who fixes it,

Sorry didn't know you can't read and yes I'm new sorry? Friendly place

I hope and can read and write.  I asked for english because I truly have no idea what this is.  "it's hell being a kept women see all this talk helps know one, working things out can it be do Need?"

Yes or racing on Sunday is husets history , why change its the wal-mart model run every thing out and if I'm all that's left then prices go up payouts come down, if you don't like it go some place else oh! Right there is no other place 

Press release this morning from Badlands Motor Speedway.

The fact that there is concern about Knoxville or Badlands is silly.  The easy answer is more 410 cars.  There are a lot of 360's and 305's in both areas that have to be serious about reassessing their situation this coming offseason, because even if it costs more to run a 410, there is a bunch more money to be made running 410's.

The bigger concern which no one seems to be bringing up is, are either of these tracks sustainable.  Knoxville was apparently not making money on the weekly show at the old purse.  Now they are paying out 14k more with no increase in ticket prices???  That is stupidity.  They either need to increase their ticket prices, or accept the fact that they don't have the best purse in the midwest and focus on having a great program.

Badlands giving away a free night?  That was a 50,000 bill.  I know Chuck makes money, but assuming he loses close to $400,000 this year after investing $6M, changes are coming.  You don't get to the point of blowing $400k a year by being a bad businessman, and eventually he is going to evaluate that his business model doesn't make sense. 

When things stabalize, and car counts grow a bit, that is when it will be interesting to see what happens.

The real question is, how is attendance and how are sponsorship and suite sales?  I think Badlands saw a decent increase in sponsorship dollars, and the new suites are making nice money.  KNoxville seems to have more suites available then they have in a long time.  Second, is attendance at Knoxville up with the NSL, or about the same?  Third, is Badlands averaging 2500/night?  If so, they are close to breaking even.  If not, then the purse is going to come down.

A lot to be answered between now and 2020.

     slideguy- I'm not going to argue, because I agree with most of what you've written, and I left my arguing pants at home today.  I do question your last sentence about 2500 fans a night would be close to breaking even. (Consider that maybe 20% of those fans are children).

     On your own, add up what you think it would cost to run BMS for a season.  Make sure you include: mortgage, purse, real estate taxes, insurance, salaries, workman's comp., social security, equipment, maintenance, fuel, water,  advertising, printing, sanction fees, internet expenses and driver incentives. I don't know what these numbers are.  If I put in wild-ass guesses, I figure I'd probably be on the low side.  Add up what you think those numbers are and see what you think would be needed for average attendance.

Kept women is when your paid to love someone, that's the very same thing going on at badlands a few are paid to be there?kept! You think mcarl wins a outlaw show Friday at Knoxville against the very best driver in the world, and then turns down a chance to race a 2 night to go beat up on the local bunch from badlands, he left his home track 30 minutes from home drove 5 hours spent a night and eat 3 meals X crew, to race for less or same money, sounds like someone is getting paid to me so yes terry mcarl is a kept women in chucks pocket, like a working girl, if I was a driver up there I'd like my money, maybe I'm not mcarl so I'll take less or half, I don't come as far so I'll just take $500, you can't race with the 5 paid drivers, I'd race till the doors close before I'd pay them to come, guys got money in the old days opperman,weld,Ferkel, but it was very little, maybe a room , not like this, so sorry I made little sense.to you.

No I get the kept woman ref, and it makes sense.  Just didn't get the last few words. "working things out can it be do need?"  It's all good.

yep that dam Todd, all hey has dune is pay the extra to put his cars in Knoxville, runs cars all over the us with dale, Sammy, dude, keeps cars racing don't forget gravel, and chuck has Changed his race date to sat to run head up against knoxville, paid local Iowa drivers to race, held press meetings and talked as if he never new Knoxville is alive, spoke bad of the place, never seen Knoxville John McCoy talk bad of badlands, so your right that dam Todd has really hurt racing for sure, thanks