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Thanks JohnnyG for your factual input and clarification and for your later post that manual scorers verified result.  Lots of unseen/unknown variables as to loop location, start/finish location, etc and appreciate WoO understanding and positive response to fans concerns and their statement to resolve those concerns.  See ya at the Devils Bowl next month

So really the cumulative time is just a stat and may not have alot to do with who wins or by how much. It would be nice to know the margin of victory at the line, had to be a least in hundreths.

I have seen the video from before the line and the video from after the line and have seen two different winners. So unless someone can present the video of them at the line I will side with the official call on this one.

https://youtu.be/JEYaS5NJ4kk

That angle makes it look even worse. 0.22 seconds means Schatz was supposed to win by 30 feet.

Judging by how he rammed Stewart from behind, guess Schatz isn't such a clean driver when he is getting beat.

Nice to see two Posse crew chiefs going at it. Suchy vs Warner. Suchy had that thing hooked up!

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

I don't think that is correct, or at the very least a coindence.   The "gap" listed on the scoring has to be the amount of time between the car in front of you crossing the loop and when you crossed the loop, whether it be the first lap, last lap or something in between.          

I bet the "time to complete race" is the total time between the pole sitter crossing the loop to take the green and when each car crosses the loop under checkered.

Gibson's paycheck is signed by the WRG. He is going to spout the company line. That is all you will ever get from him. 

I hope schatz beats Stewart by 1 point at the end of the year for the championship just to make this look worse than it already does. The whole things seems fishy just by looking at both their times on the last lap. Like someone else already said schatz would have had to run a lap around 3 tenths faster that last lap to win and he didn't do it just doesn't all add up

I still hate Schatz  

Looks like WOO is putting on some great races on the West Coast.  I guess you can not trust your eyes, but would nice for all races to have a picture at S/F line., but i guess a little controversy is not a bad thing, (unless your name is Stewart).

looking at the race monitor scoring the .22 is the time between when the leader crossed the scoring loop and second place crossed it. there are time differences that are marked "diff" and "gap". the "diff" is the difference between when the leader crossed the line and each position behind them crossed the line. the "gap" is the time between each car tripping the clock in front of the next car. so the "diff" is how far each position is behind the leader per lap and the "gap" is the time between positions each lap.

also on the individual lap scoring for donnie it shows him leading lap 29. the individual lap scoring for shane also shows him leading lap 29. how can that be?

it shows donnie leading lap 28 and shane second on lap 28. it also shows donnie with a faster lap than shane on lap 29. so if donnie was leading on lap 28 and ran a faster time on lap 29 than shane, then i can't understand how shane can be leading lap 29 at all.

what is not shown in my app is the gap on the next to last lap between donnie and shane.

i am not trying to take anything away or give anything to either driver, just noticing the discrepancies.

to indy and beyond!!

Bingo!

Not a Schatz fan.  Not necessarily a Stewart fan either.  Just a fan.  Saw both videos.  The first one you can easily tell was from closer to turn 4 and not a good angle.  The second video which is a much better angle is pretty clear Schatz wins by about a front wing.

Whether employed by WRG or not it really only takes two good eyes to see Schatz won the race.

This thread is a perfect example that some people will just believe what they want to believe regardless of the facts or evidence put in front of them.

HANDS UP.  DON'T SHOOT!

So i looked at the race monitor scoring and i see the diff is the total time you finished behind the leader for the race. And the gap is time between each position on the last lap. So for second place these numbers are always the same. in this case .22. So that looks right but how do you explain .22 being within a wheel of each other. Hven't we determined that .22 is more like two or three car lengths.

 I Didn't completly understand what Johnny was saying. Did Stewart not get picked up by the last loop cause he was off the side? and tripped the next loop or hit it when he pulled back up over the edge a few tenths later or something? 

Just trying to understand 

if i understand what gibby was saying, the scoring wire that runs under the track runs off at an angle at the point it transitions from the race track surface to the area outside of it where the horse track is. to get a larger gap that would mean the line had to angle towards turn one and a car would have to travel further to trip the "beam" if it was off the "racing surface" as comaped to a car that was not.

so if all that is correct, then it would seem shane had to travel futher than donnie in order to trip the electronics.

to indy and beyond!!

+1 Thank You!

Just a thought, with the difference between the timing .22 and video showing 1ft could there be some problems with the time trials scoring? 

First time watching this today,watched it over and over,looks like Stewart won to me.I not only watched the front of the cars I watched the rear of the cars also.I dont see any time going down the front stretch that Donny's car was ahead.

If Shane had to go farther then his last lap would have been 2 tenths slower than it was so Johnny's theory doesn't add up

I'm sorry the picture is sideways.  Not sure why but it kept loading that way.  This is view from 2nd camara on frontstretch. Just past the temporary flagstand on the infield, almost directly in line with finish line.  It's blurry but just in case you can't figure it out the white car is Stewarts.  The Black car is Schatz.  Pretty clear who's in front by a nose wing.

Both cars are full time Outlaws. Both teams are owned by Nascar stars. There is no reason for the WoO to take a win away from the 2 team. I'll admit it looked like Stewart won at first comparing the cars when they passed the flagstand. Now we know that wasn't the end line. Had the cars switched places, I doubt this would have been the controversy it has become.