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Ya know was at an Auction last year and seen a hood go through just like on that Parsons 67 car , went for cheap, now I see what it would have fit/worked on, guess I should of bought it.

Was at that NCRA with Modifieds and Super Mods at that show in 70's at Devil's Bowl in bottom pic. ,was some of the last years they did NCRA combo shows with both Modifieds and Super Modifieds.

J.D.




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Ya know was at an Auction last year and seen a hood go through just like on that Parsons 67 car , went for cheap, now I see what it would have fit/worked on, guess I should of bought it.

Was at that NCRA with Modifieds and Super Mods at that show in 70's at Devil's Bowl in bottom pic. ,was some of the last years they did NCRA combo shows with both Modifieds and Super Modifieds.

J.D.



JD This race at Devil Bowl was a combined race with both classes running their own features there were several combined races that year and some stand alone races.This was the last wear that they ran the modifieds for several years. the lack of cars killed the modifieds. this was also the first race that Norman and Mike ran the 7 car. The number was changed to 71 the next week at Tulsa. They were planning on running at Dodge City with the Supers but when Mike got the point lead they decided to run at Tulsa and ran all 28 races that year and Mike made the A feature at every race. There were a couple that he could not start in the feature because of car problems. There wer 8 modified NCRA races, Mike did not finish any of the first 4 features. At the 5th race at Dewey he finished 4th and won the last 3. he finished 3rd in points with the 4dnfs

I guess the track was real muddy the night that the picture of Tommy Worth was taken, his shield is up on his helmut, he ran Beck chassis' I don't know if this is one of them or not. The rumor was that he got pretty wealthy after he retired to spend more time at his business.

What year were the the Chick Shaddox photos taken?

Ray



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Ray,I just remember Lanny E. was at a Lawton business And we were there as well and he was telling us all back in mid 70's that the 6 Cyl. Were struggling and probably would be replaced by the Supers V8's then on NCRA circuit. He later said it helped his weekly car count at Lawton back then as when NCRA stopped running 6 Cyl. They did not have as many races to run , so they would come to Lawton more. NCRA prolly seen the Modifieds as more local class than a traveling series??? J. D.

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Ray,I just remember Lanny E. was at a Lawton business And we were there as well and he was telling us all back in mid 70's that the 6 Cyl. Were struggling and probably would be replaced by the Supers V8's then on NCRA circuit. He later said it helped his weekly car count at Lawton back then as when NCRA stopped running 6 Cyl. They did not have as many races to run , so they would come to Lawton more. NCRA prolly seen the Modifieds as more local class than a traveling series??? J. D.


In 1974 C.Ray Hail just ran the modifieds on their own and stopped running the supers as a weekly show at Wichita.. He just ed it that one year and by 1975 was running the supers and if you had a modified you had to run with them. Tulsa had a big modified program with any where between 40 and 60 cars per week, OKC had a huge modified field, I don't know how many but I heard it was a lot more than Tulsa. Don Engel was the only OKC driver than ran at Tulsa regularly, I don't think very many Tulsa drivers went to OKC. Dewey and Muskogee tried runny a separate modified program in 1975 but were not successful. How many modifieds ran at Lawton in the mid 70s? Didn't another track between Okc and Lawton run modifieds about this time?

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I know OKC had large field of Modifieds, so many they ran qualifiers at 6:30 , 2 B mains and took top 4 out of each to make it to the nights show and added them to Top 40 in Pts. that night , had a bunch of them what I remember.

I don't remember antother track that ran them back then between Lawton and OKC, I think Anadarko had a track which is somewhat between Lawton and OKC, but i think it had shut down by then.

Wichita Speedway in Wichita Falls ,Tx. Might have run the Modifieds some when they were open back then in the 70's, just don't remember, I know Lanny ran Supers , Modifieds 6 Cyl. and Hobby Stocks for the better part of the decade of the 70's , billed it on signs , posters and in the paper as 18 Big Races every Sat. night at the Lawton Speedway.

He always had around 30 Super Mods on a weekly show and it depended on if it rained out somewhere else or they had an NCRA the next night and they would stop on the way to it.

Modifieds always hung around the 25 to 30 car count mark.

Hobby Stocks ran somewhere in the upper 30's in car count.

18 Big Races which was 3 Heats in each class , 3 Trophy Dashes , 3 B Features and 3 A Features.

What was really cool was KSWO radio would broadcast the first 30 Min. of the races every Sat. night to entice folks to come on out , seemed to work back then as the grandstands were always close to being full , if not packed back then.

J.D.



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I know OKC had large field of Modifieds, so many they ran qualifiers at 6:30 , 2 B mains and took top 4 out of each to make it to the nights show and added them to Top 40 in Pts. that night , had a bunch of them what I remember.

I don't remember antother track that ran them back then between Lawton and OKC, I think Anadarko had a track which is somewhat between Lawton and OKC, but i think it had shut down by then.

Wichita Speedway in Wichita Falls ,Tx. Might have run the Modifieds some when they were open back then in the 70's, just don't remember, I know Lanny ran Supers , Modifieds 6 Cyl. and Hobby Stocks for the better part of the decade of the 70's , billed it on signs , posters and in the paper as 18 Big Races every Sat. night at the Lawton Speedway.

He always had around 30 Super Mods on a weekly show and it depended on if it rained out somewhere else or they had an NCRA the next night and they would stop on the way to it.

Modifieds always hung around the 25 to 30 car count mark.

Hobby Stocks ran somewhere in the upper 30's in car count.

18 Big Races which was 3 Heats in each class , 3 Trophy Dashes , 3 B Features and 3 A Features.

What was really cool was KSWO radio would broadcast the first 30 Min. of the races every Sat. night to entice folks to come on out , seemed to work back then as the grandstands were always close to being full , if not packed back then.

J.D.



I think the modifieds ran at a track called Goalsby, I-35 speedway or something like that. there was a 1/4 mile track at Roma between Tulsa and Bartlesville but I don't know when or what they ran, maybe somebody out there knows about Ramona and other track that are closed. I remember Abner Eujbanks talking about a track around Kieffer , Glenpool area this would be a long time before Emmett opened Creek County, I hope somebody also knows about this track.

 

Ray



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Goldsby did run 6 Cyl. back in the 70's but it is just south of Norman, Ok. Ray, but your right on the track , more or less now on the southern edge of the OKC metro area , as much as it has grown down around here.

J.D.




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Ray,I just remember Lanny E. was at a Lawton business And we were there as well and he was telling us all back in mid 70's that the 6 Cyl. Were struggling and probably would be replaced by the Supers V8's then on NCRA circuit. He later said it helped his weekly car count at Lawton back then as when NCRA stopped running 6 Cyl. They did not have as many races to run , so they would come to Lawton more. NCRA prolly seen the Modifieds as more local class than a traveling series??? J. D.


The inlines finally ended in 1985. Then there was one year for the v-6 class, and then it was all v8 from then on.




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Scott Claxton won a championship with an inline Ford in 89 on 1/4 mile at OKC solid black #1 Nance frame car and it was top dollar , Jack Claxton spent some loot on it to make it run and look good , was a beast as long as he kept it wound up and he did just that , that inline would run and won a championship with it, Wayne Wade and a couple of others continued to run an inline against the V8's ,Lloyd Clevenger use to have on his hood 6 Cyl. eater back in 1989 when we all would run Ada at the old Echo Ranch Raceway.

They (the inline's) were fazed into what is now the Champ Sprint class , from 1987 to present. Bud Carson started the deal with V8 and 2 Bar. to get to a cheaper class and believe they started out with the restrictor plate in 87/89 was trying to keep them somewhat even with the inlines because there were still some that ran them and had them and then finally in about 90 they ran only V8's and inline were gone and so did the restrictor plates on the V8's and it was a good thing to as getting those V8's to cool was a real issue back then.

The V6 deal was a Larry Hill's deal and an expensive one at that ,can ask Charley Ford or I bet John Stewart can tell ya , they were pricey and maybe John did not have issues with them, but I know some who had a difficult time making them live back then and spent a lot of money on them. Tom Sluggo Sanders had one and still did until his death several years ago , not sure if his wife still has it but it was a complete V6 , seen it one time back in the early 90's when we over at his house when he lived on SW side of OKC sitting under the bench complete motor covered up.

Jerry Hailey won a lot in the Ofixico V6's with Carbone power and they had it figured out on getting it to live and run hard but they were quite expensive , was helping Charley with his V6 at the time and he had nighmares over those V6's for sure. Still cringes today when you get him to talking about it.

So the inlines hung around a little longer than 1985.

J.D.



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Really was surprised when Steve Smith ran a 100" car back in 88 and they would run those MSCA shows around Okla. , Steve would kick our butts with that 302 Ford Boss V8 that year but again had issues getting the Ford to live ,but when it did run , Chevy's had a tough time outrunning it and it helped as well that Steve Smith was a dam good shoe in those 100" cars. They had one of those mid rail 100" cars from Nance and Steve sure could get it around the race track but he quit running openwheel the next year and went the full bodied route and won champisonships with a Ford,Chevy and I think even a Dodge at OKC and still racing and winning championships today.

J.D.




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I know OKC had large field of Modifieds, so many they ran qualifiers at 6:30 , 2 B mains and took top 4 out of each to make it to the nights show and added them to Top 40 in Pts. that night , had a bunch of them what I remember.

I don't remember antother track that ran them back then between Lawton and OKC, I think Anadarko had a track which is somewhat between Lawton and OKC, but i think it had shut down by then.

Wichita Speedway in Wichita Falls ,Tx. Might have run the Modifieds some when they were open back then in the 70's, just don't remember, I know Lanny ran Supers , Modifieds 6 Cyl. and Hobby Stocks for the better part of the decade of the 70's , billed it on signs , posters and in the paper as 18 Big Races every Sat. night at the Lawton Speedway.

He always had around 30 Super Mods on a weekly show and it depended on if it rained out somewhere else or they had an NCRA the next night and they would stop on the way to it.

Modifieds always hung around the 25 to 30 car count mark.

Hobby Stocks ran somewhere in the upper 30's in car count.

18 Big Races which was 3 Heats in each class , 3 Trophy Dashes , 3 B Features and 3 A Features.

What was really cool was KSWO radio would broadcast the first 30 Min. of the races every Sat. night to entice folks to come on out , seemed to work back then as the grandstands were always close to being full , if not packed back then.

J.D.



Lawton had lots of modifieds and in my opinion they put on just as good a show as the supers did. Lots of modifieds came down from The City as well as Wichita Falls. There were a bunch of modifieds that came from Caddo County that ran good. Delbert Bybee always ran well with a Ford. He always ran a Ford sponsored by CH Malone Ford in Apache. CH Malone also had a great running Ford that ran in the supers and quite a bit in The City that goes back to 1965 with Glen "Hambone" Harrell. AJ Little drove a super for CH Malone from 1969-1970 too. One modified that came from Norman was #801 Darell Jennings that always ran well. It had a set of headers that made that car just scream, you could always hear it above all the others even when he was in the middle of the pack. Ken Hailey won the hearts of lots of fans in Lawton during those days. Shoot, even we had a hobby stocker class that put on great shows especially when everybody was running those 1955, 1956 and 1957 Chevys! I'm glad I was a witness to all those great days.

Mike



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Ya know Mike , I seen a lot of pics from my wife's brother history of his racing career of old pics and programs who raced at Ada Raceway and the old Echo Ranch Raceway back in early to mid 70's and I just never remember many of them coming over to Lawton back in the 70's to race , maybe Glen Owens and Boots Holder came over a few times , but I see pics of 6 Cyl. Modifieds like Russell Schwartz and Dick Shelton and others that ran in Ada area ,but never seen them run over at Lawton, but i did see names like Delbert Bybee and Buddy Jackson in old Echo Ranch Raceway Programs back then, look like they went over a few times when rainouts at Lawton or ?? Also seen where Hailey and Dixon and Darell Jennings would go toEcho Ranch raceway some as well. J. D.

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Mike , I was wondering about that track that was just north of the Duncan Y on Hwy.81, you can still see the banking in the turns on both ends, Mike with Thriller Photo Jackson took some pics of it a while back, my dad said they ran Midgets there a couple of times. Maybe in the late 40's to early 50's he was not sure, said he thought it was after he got back from WW II that he went to a show with his brother.

Just wondered if you and or your dad every went to a race there and what was it called???.

From looking at it when driving by it sure looks like stratightaway runs almost where Hwy. 81 is now.

J.D.




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Mike , I was wondering about that track that was just north of the Duncan Y on Hwy.81, you can still see the banking in the turns on both ends, Mike with Thriller Photo Jackson took some pics of it a while back, my dad said they ran Midgets there a couple of times. Maybe in the late 40's to early 50's he was not sure, said he thought it was after he got back from WW II that he went to a show with his brother.

Just wondered if you and or your dad every went to a race there and what was it called???.

From looking at it when driving by it sure looks like stratightaway runs almost where Hwy. 81 is now.

J.D.



Darrel Jennings could fly. One night here Tulsa in June 1975 he had come up to race here because the Dewey Modified NCRA race was the next day. He surprised himself by winning the feature here, in the interview he made the comment that he did not think he would be competitive here and was surprised that he did so well and that he hated to miss the Lawton race because he was leading in points there. He finished 3rd the next day at Dewey behind Gene See and Larry Wilson and ahead of Mike Peters. He and Mike ran each other hard for a long time and never touched and they were as close as they could be. It was as good of race as you cold ask for.

I am not sure but didn't Darrell run a Chevy 6 cyl, if he did he was one of the few to win a race at Tulsa that year.

Ray



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Darrell was talented , equipment was always nice and well prepared when he came to the track.

Paul Ott was another racer from OKC that his equipment was some of the finest and well prepared, car would come to the track and looked like it had never been raced.

J.D.





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