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Salina Engine
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February 01, 2018 at 02:19:59 PM
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Posted By: MSPN on February 01 2018 at 09:18:17 AM

Way to go Salina, straightening things out again, how's business?  Been too long my friend.....



Business has been good. It's obviously our busiest time of year, and we have been working hard to make sure everyone is ready for the begining of the season. We will keep working diligently and hopefully grow the buisness back to the standing it once had.


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MSPN
February 01, 2018 at 02:25:49 PM
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Great to hear, did any of the kids follow you into the business???



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Posted By: MSPN on February 01 2018 at 02:25:49 PM

Great to hear, did any of the kids follow you into the business???



We have some new personel involved running the day to day operations.


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Posted By: Salina Engine on February 01 2018 at 07:47:33 AM

Not all Ford heads have splayed/canted (staggered) valves. The Splayed/canted valve design is based off of the Cleveland

engine, which is what evolved into the D3 ford head which Roush Yates used for years in Nascar. This same essential 

design is what most late model guys use, (given some exception to the FR9 guys). The Windsor head design is an inline

valve head, and is the model for the ASCS Ford head. When R/Y was building a few 410's towards the end of their sprint car

program they were using a 10 degree Edelbrock design. The issue with trying to use an off the shelf Ford inline valve head

is that all of them have been designed for an intake manifold, to fit under a hood. By contrast the 13 and 10 degree All Pro,

Brodix, and Shaut heads all have the intake runners raised and the port at a much better angle to the valve, because they

have been designed specifically for independant runner manifolds, to fit under the hood of a sprint car. Jeremy Anderson 

can correct me if I'm wrong about the 10 degree Edelbrock stuff, but I know at one time they were testing it. As for the

Block the valve layout is the same so moving the lifter location isn't an issue. With cnc's it's no big deal to change that

peramiter these days.The rumor I heard was Durham Racing Engines was working on some engines for TSR as well. They

are one of the top late model builders.



Finally , someone that knows what there talking about. 



eric7a
August 01, 2018 at 03:58:19 PM
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So, July 2018 has come and gone, any more updates on the ford power? I tend to think this is one of those deals where its easier to just push it off into the future, until people give up on it..



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They don't even know how to spell sprint car much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com



newbeevur
August 11, 2018 at 08:34:50 AM
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Is Donny Schatz running Ford engines in his late models? Or sticking with Chevy there also?


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19 Posse
August 11, 2018 at 09:40:41 AM
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Who phuckin cares...“Donn runs a Ford” - “no he is’t” - “yes he is” - “no he isn’t”

you all know damn well they aren’t guna drop a Ford in that thing until it performs just like the Chevy...it may never happen...and I’ll still sleep!



Dryslick Willie
August 11, 2018 at 10:55:11 AM
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Posted By: 19 Posse on August 11 2018 at 09:40:41 AM

Who phuckin cares...“Donn runs a Ford” - “no he is’t” - “yes he is” - “no he isn’t”

you all know damn well they aren’t guna drop a Ford in that thing until it performs just like the Chevy...it may never happen...and I’ll still sleep!



Donny struggled to pass cars on his qualifying night like I've never seen before, so I'm thinking there must've been a Ford in there on Wednesday.   It looked like a Chevy to me, but maybe it was a Ford...   Speaking of that, why doesn't Ford just buy Chevy engines from one of the good engine builders and just put their own valve covers on it and brand it a Ford?   You see that with lots of other things.   




jwerkman
August 12, 2018 at 03:20:18 AM
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Posted By: Dryslick Willie on August 11 2018 at 10:55:11 AM

Donny struggled to pass cars on his qualifying night like I've never seen before, so I'm thinking there must've been a Ford in there on Wednesday.   It looked like a Chevy to me, but maybe it was a Ford...   Speaking of that, why doesn't Ford just buy Chevy engines from one of the good engine builders and just put their own valve covers on it and brand it a Ford?   You see that with lots of other things.   



It was not a Ford motor, per Tony they r still working on it, big Donny fan and I hate Ford's so I hope they do not get it figured out, but when and  if they do it better perform like the shavers they have used forever if it does not you will see shavers powered Chevy back under the hood


 

alum.427
August 12, 2018 at 05:40:30 AM
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Why does it matter ? Chevy, Ford, Mopar. If this new engine turns out to be the almighty greatest thing ever. I really hope that WRG doesn't approve it. Do any of you understand what that will do to the cost of racing ? Are these motors not expensive enough already??  You would have every outlaw team out there having to reload there motor program. I saY the racing is fine right where it's at.  



19 Posse
August 12, 2018 at 09:31:26 AM
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I mean...The only reason I watch sprint car racing is because I’m choosing a new motor package for my everyday driver.

im waiting to see how this ford runs before I decide...i hope they figure it out soon. #Frustrated




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August 12, 2018 at 09:43:41 AM
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I heard Tony say he personally had a lot of money into the Ford research. So as I was wondering why he would do that I figure he wants collect a few pennies on every sale hereafter. Makes sense. Its a business investment for Tony. With that said he is likely smart enough to realize he will have to sell a lot of them to get his investment back so I really doubt he is going to market them for $70G. Considering they are new,unproven, and not likely to be significantly more advantageous than what is available now I think the price will have to be low to shift the current buying trends of enough racers to make any money.


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August 12, 2018 at 01:22:46 PM
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It will be ready by July 2020 if things go perfect.   But, free for Schatz and $75,000 for everyone else.  Yeah, that will help sprint car racing increase car counts.  Just go to a spec engine with 700 HP and cost $15 to $20,000.  Have French Grimes build it.


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Dryslick Willie
August 12, 2018 at 07:24:38 PM
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It was not a Ford motor, per Tony they r still working on it, big Donny fan and I hate Ford's so I hope they do not get it figured out, but when and  if they do it better perform like the shavers they have used forever if it does not you will see shavers powered Chevy back under the hood



Yeah, I meant that tongue in cheek...  I know it wasn't a Ford motor.   




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August 13, 2018 at 12:59:15 PM
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Posted By: madsen on August 12 2018 at 01:22:46 PM

It will be ready by July 2020 if things go perfect.   But, free for Schatz and $75,000 for everyone else.  Yeah, that will help sprint car racing increase car counts.  Just go to a spec engine with 700 HP and cost $15 to $20,000.  Have French Grimes build it.



I like that idea. Would cost less than most 305's. Car counts would be much better. Something needs to be done. Wake up promoters.



smith19
August 14, 2018 at 12:34:44 AM
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tony stewart said in a recent interview the andy durham was developing the motor. he was a former employe of roush-yates. he builds motors for lm guys like bloomquist, josh richards and many of the other top guys



ATTARD521
August 22, 2018 at 05:43:54 AM
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Half the people that comment negative stuff about Ford sprintcar engine are the same older butt Butt Chevy lovers that said SHR wouldn’t win races once they went ford in NASCAR, now there scared that this thing will wipe the floor clean. Love the stuff that people come up with like, oh there to heavy, they don’t make power, they blow up,there double the price bla bla bla.  But how many people can really say they have had anything to do with one or own a proper purpose built ford 410ci. Not many of ya’s.




alum.427
August 22, 2018 at 05:54:43 AM
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Yea and if WRG is smart, which they are not, they'll ban the motor or at least put smaller injector plates on it. If the motor builders have free run at building a new motor from scatch you can bet it will be better than what is currently being offered. Calculate the cost people ? Racing is killing themselves with the prices you have to pay for motors. Personally I could care less what valve cover is under the hood. Toyota sponsors a top fuel drag car. Ya think that's what is between those frame rails ? You guys that get all but hurt over what motor is TSR running, enough already, go watch a good race will ya.



ATTARD521
August 22, 2018 at 06:11:57 AM
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Posted By: alum.427 on August 22 2018 at 05:54:43 AM

Yea and if WRG is smart, which they are not, they'll ban the motor or at least put smaller injector plates on it. If the motor builders have free run at building a new motor from scatch you can bet it will be better than what is currently being offered. Calculate the cost people ? Racing is killing themselves with the prices you have to pay for motors. Personally I could care less what valve cover is under the hood. Toyota sponsors a top fuel drag car. Ya think that's what is between those frame rails ? You guys that get all but hurt over what motor is TSR running, enough already, go watch a good race will ya.



U will find that this engine has been fully redesigned to what WRG wants. As far as I know the block is a complete  new casting to suit what these guys want. I see inavation and something new in sprintcar engine development, not so much in making 10000 hp, but a lot more to suit drivers and there abilities on slick tracks. And for prices there not going to be that much more then a Chevy if they start to build a lot of the thing. Let me tell u, I purchased a brand new Roush Yates 410 3 years ago and it was the same price as a brand new Kistler, and this Roush has all the bells and whistles from top to bottom. Hey and I’m just a hobby racer. 





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