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2 minute rule needs to be limited to the crew of said car. The front axle swap outs would be done with. I've seen multiple crews go to work on a car after its flipped. Somebody's crew is on the top wing, one on the axle,  usually someone replacing the front wing and let's not forget flats and bent rims. Then the driver goes back on track and just hammers it hoping nothing is cracked or broken. That takes balls. 

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Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway

These touring guys are racing for a million dollar point fund and are using inferior Hoosiers which are falling apart for no reason and some of you want them to pack it up and go home when it delaminates or explodes?  LOL

For the official to attack the crew guy is wrong.   However, the crew guy bitching at the official is equally wrong.   Pushing a sprint car backwards with a flat tire is not an exact science.   Also consider that the official has no control over whatever input Haud is giving the steering wheel when he is going backwards.   Both people should have known better and reacted better.     

With a right rear flat the offical should have never ever pushed Haud backwards.  Don't cheer for little Haud, but the offical is clearly in the wrong here.  He was only using his words, the offical should have swallowed his pride and moved on.  The offical is in the wrong because he went after and pushed the crew guy.  That is wrong and the offical should be FIRED!!!

I was a referee in highschool basketball for 16 years and let me tell you, you need thick skin to be a ref.  Between the coaches and the fans someone was always yelling at you and they were not pleasant words, some were swear words.  Yes, I gave out my share to Tech fouls.  But I also never pushed anyone either. 

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

It's 948 am est. Tuesday morning. Is this meathead still employed? 

Where would an umpire in MLB be if he physically attacked some random left-fielder?

If he is Ted's grandson the answer would be yes.

I don't get the annoyance that some people have with other members of other crews helping another team out either. To me that shows the true form of competition beat them on the track and not in the pits. You do not want to win a race or more importantly a championship on technicality. This has been something that has been around for decades now I believe so I do not get the crying about it suddenly. Nothing else would be happening during those caution/red flag periods anyway. You and I have both talked about instances where 2-3 cars have come into the work area while the cars are still stopped in the work area, are in there for maybe 5-6mins while the cars on the track are still not lined, get fixed and make it out prior to the order being set and people still come on here and go "why did xxxx get like 10mins to work on his car waaaa waaa." The cars weren't moving anyway, this did not delay your evening and the couple of times where it has "delayed" the race, it is not significant in anyway. You will be able to get that time back in your life that you waited for a team or 2 to change an axle. 

There are obviously other methods of going about it and in the heat of the moment all of us do things we wouldn't do in other circumstances but the mouthing around, trying to be funny, insulting people in working situations has to stop as well. Sheldon was telling the offical to push him back so the offical is having a competitor tell him one thing while having another smarta$$ get on his case for doing what the driver asked. 2 wrongs don't make a right as my 3rd grade teacher would say and honestly the way I would go about it is if NOS has no issues with it then I give all of them a tongue lashing and tell all of them if it happens again out of any of them they are gone. If they have already have a prior history as it sounds like the offical may have one then they are gone because of that because they obviously do not know how to act. 

I think some of the posters need to go and review the pits rules, including myself, however I THINK before half way a driver gets a minimum of 2 mins. And as Nick said, it's not 2 mins and you can't push off. 

I also don't understand the calling for others to not help other team members. If a driver was running on the lead lap, and half the field was lapped, with 10 laps remaining, then there's a good chance they can still make a top ten finish and salvage some points. 

Last but not least, why are we calling for the firing of somone? Did I see what happened on camera, yes. Do I know the history of this individual or what else went on prior to this? No.  Lets not turn racing into this cancel culture that what seems like the rest of the world has become. Racing seems to be the one small thing that I love that the crazys haven't gotten ahold of yet. 

Keep It Real

No one is talking about cancel culture.  No way no matter what words are used by either party should band official attack any crew member.  If that were the other way around the crew member should have been kicked out for the rest of the year!  Sorry but the official needs FIRED!

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

This thread is funny.

Work Area is not a problem

The 2 minute thing is a simple rule, unless you are a tinfoil wearer and think Sweet gets more time than others and the rule is not a problem.

Other crews helping other crews is simple and not a problem. 

When there is a lengthy red changing a front end is not a problem in the 8-10 minutes it takes to clear the track of the wrecked cars and getting the cars in right running order (for skilled crews) is not a problem.

An official attacking someone in the work areaIS A PROBLEM and the official should be disciplined as I'm sure he will be, fined, suspended, fired, I don't care myself, but his actions will be dealt with, as they should be. 

Can they transfer him over to the Late Models side of the business? 

Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway

I saw future HOF drivers do that way back in the 60's so yes and I follow David's YouTube channel.  I'm not fond of hour long Features that more closely resemble a chess game than a race.  Maybe it's my age showing and I'm clueless in the eyes of today's fans but the work area is not what I grew up seeing.  It would be interesting if anyone can dig back and tell us the history of when waiting for cars to be repaired started.  All I recall is that it was a World of Outlaws thing so their touring drivers could get back out on the track.  That is a two edged sword, it gives the fans favorites a second chance but the negative is that it opens up all these debates about the work area and preferrential treatment.  Hopefully they won't start giving drivers their spots back after spinning like the Stock Cars and Modifieds.  That would open another big can of worms.

Stan Meissner

I too grew up with no work area, but the absolute longest they wait is like 40 seconds.   It takes AT LEAST 1 minute 15 seconds at twice around the track at idle speed (40 second laps) to get the field lined up after a caution... so the extra 40 seconds doesn't bother me. 

Wow, you just gained some respect from me...

Reffing basketball is incredibly hard!

I reffed twice in Rec League games where each team that just played had one player ref the next game. I think I know a lot about hoops, but I'm gonna admit I was awful.

Even at top flight NBA & NCAA games, with replay, its obvious that refs miss calls all the time

& another thing... ever notice how often players carry the ball when dribbling nowadays? James Harden has his hand under the ball on damn near every dribble. Magic, Isaiah Thomas & Iverson started that in the 80s (or was it the 90s?) & no ref is gonna call carrying on a Superstar every time he touches the ball....

You were a ref in high school basketball for 16 years?  I take back almost all of the bad things I've ever said about you!!! 

     No one asked me, so here's my opinion-

     If one of my employees pulled something dumb like this, here's what I would do as an employer.

First, I'd hear evey side of the story before I jumped to conclusions. Hopefully, that's where the WoO is in the process.

I would issue an apology to the teams involved and to all teams. I'd be pretty clear about it. "One of our employees made a mistake and here's what we plan to do about it".No talking like a politician "Mistakes were made, blah blah blah."

I would make the employee send a formal, written apology to the guy he attacked. Again, this needs to be straight forward, no dodging the issue or trying to blame someone else. The person apologising should take full responsibilty for his actions. He should explain why he did what he did and why it was wrong. He should explain what he will do in the future to make sure this doesn't happen again.

The employee should face some type of discipline from the employer that will prevent this from happening again. Realistically, something like a week off from the circuit, or a temporary demotion would seem appropriate to me. Again, as an employer, I'd make it very plain that if problems persist, changes will be made as needed. 

I'd also find a different job for this employee to do at the track for a while until things cool down a bit.

I would then make all this information know to the general public. The best way there would be to just come out and say it."We saw there was a problem and we took care of it. Here's what we did..."

No matter what the dynamics of the WoO are, firing the guy isn't a good option. While we can agree what he did was not right, we can also agree it wasn't the first or last scuffle we will see at a car race. The Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland is quick to yell "off with his head!". The real world doesn't work quite like that. Where are you going to find a replacement? If you honestly think you can do a better job at it, I'd suggest you send the WoO your resume right away. In the meantime. the WoO needs to address the issue, take care of it and put it behind them.

Now, how in the heck do I make the font size bigger on this post?


 

I appreciate the civil disagreement of your reply.  I just don't see it different for Sweet than the other WoO drivers as far as time goes.  I also see no matter what WoO car it is that goes to work area, there are always 3-4 diff teams helping, not just when it's Sweet.  But it's o.k. if you (and others) see it differently, if everyone thought the exact same way, it'd be a boring world!!