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blazer00
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Posted By: Nickules on March 02 2018 at 07:26:57 AM

The "billed automatically monthly unless you cancel" thing is standard procedure for this (online streaming services, etc.) and many other industries.  That's nothng new and whether you think it's somewhat "shady" (not saying you said that but there is a faction of the world that thinks auto billing is shady) or not, it's certainly pretty much standard procedure.  I have Spotify.  It auto bills unless I manually cancel.  Satellite Radio?  Same thing.  Those are just two examples but this practice transcends multiple industries.  So, yes you can cancel at anytime, but it is an extra manual step to do.  Set a reminder on your phone and/or calendar and set it like the day before your month is up so you remember to cancel.   



The method is legal......but it is also shady. If I let my satellite radio simply renew on it's own automatically, the billing is for like $189.00 a year. Some people may not even look, and I think the folks charging are hoping for that. I watch my automatic renewals very cloesly. One quick phone call to cancel my subscription and like magic, the satellite billing is reduced to $94.00 a year because of some "special promo" (yeh....I called....some promo!).... amazing how that washes out. So yeh, in my opinion it is shady! WTF, why not charge the proper amount to begin with? (no answer needed)



chathamracefan1
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There is an app called TVcast that I think is available for Roku.  I have it on my smart tv & here is how it works.  You download the app on your roku as well as on your smart phone or IPAD device.  You then open the dirtvision website inside the TVcast app on your mobile device & then you can cast it to your TV (no wires are needed).  It works good.  I have used for several PPV's.  



MSPN
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Stan, you don't have to do it every night for a month, 10 shows this month (as of Wed) you can handle that, right?  Youare going to retire not die, you're hardly the retired type kinda guy from what I remember, lol.....



StanM
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Posted By: MSPN on March 02 2018 at 12:59:23 PM

Stan, you don't have to do it every night for a month, 10 shows this month (as of Wed) you can handle that, right?  Youare going to retire not die, you're hardly the retired type kinda guy from what I remember, lol.....



People my age aren't supposed to understand those kinds of things but I spent last week setting up a new Linux computer and I use the Roku remote app on my to run headphones through.  I saw something about casting on my phone and in the Roku menu so I'll have to look into it.

Despite what MSPN thinks I'm not chasing races anymore.  Those late night drives got a lot tougher at 65 so this streaming deal can keep me in the loop if I can convince my accountant.  She's a tough sell and doesn't get why NASCAR free broadcasts aren't enough.

MSPN, work with me on this.  I'm lobbying for a dirtvision senior discount.  It sucks following a sport since 1960 only to get left by the wayside by late night drives and PPV prices.  LOL


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Posted By: StanM on March 02 2018 at 05:39:44 AM

Why no streaming devices?  That's the reason I subscribe to LORTV, they make it easy for cord cutters by offering through Roku.  My only options the way it is now is a computer monitor or hauling my wife's laptop downstairs and connecthing through HDMI.  Too much hassle, even for the Outlaws.



If you have an Amazon Fire TV or Stick, you can now download the Silk web browser and login to dirtvision website like you are on the internet.  Worked flawless for the last 2 nights.  If you have an Apple Tv use Airplay, if you have a chromecast use chromecast to cast.  I do not own any Roku but I am sure there is way to watch.  

Streaming devices require an App even LORTV is very limited on the app selection.  Plenty of ways to get around on all devices, you guys just have to try. 



Darrin
March 02, 2018 at 05:20:34 PM
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Posted By: djscotty14 on March 02 2018 at 03:00:29 PM

If you have an Amazon Fire TV or Stick, you can now download the Silk web browser and login to dirtvision website like you are on the internet.  Worked flawless for the last 2 nights.  If you have an Apple Tv use Airplay, if you have a chromecast use chromecast to cast.  I do not own any Roku but I am sure there is way to watch.  

Streaming devices require an App even LORTV is very limited on the app selection.  Plenty of ways to get around on all devices, you guys just have to try. 



This is interesting to know. I have a Firestick and tried viewing via the Firefox browser and it did'nt work worht a hoot. I will try Silk next time, thanks for the tip.



Nickules
March 02, 2018 at 05:20:58 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 02 2018 at 11:35:40 AM

The method is legal......but it is also shady. If I let my satellite radio simply renew on it's own automatically, the billing is for like $189.00 a year. Some people may not even look, and I think the folks charging are hoping for that. I watch my automatic renewals very cloesly. One quick phone call to cancel my subscription and like magic, the satellite billing is reduced to $94.00 a year because of some "special promo" (yeh....I called....some promo!).... amazing how that washes out. So yeh, in my opinion it is shady! WTF, why not charge the proper amount to begin with? (no answer needed)



Oh I agree that is legal and shady. My point was just that it is standard procedure and they're setting new ground here. Like you I watch my auto renewals too but as you indicate proprietors of said services do bank on the majority of consumers not watching as closely. 



egras
March 02, 2018 at 08:12:21 PM
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Posted By: djscotty14 on March 02 2018 at 03:00:29 PM

If you have an Amazon Fire TV or Stick, you can now download the Silk web browser and login to dirtvision website like you are on the internet.  Worked flawless for the last 2 nights.  If you have an Apple Tv use Airplay, if you have a chromecast use chromecast to cast.  I do not own any Roku but I am sure there is way to watch.  

Streaming devices require an App even LORTV is very limited on the app selection.  Plenty of ways to get around on all devices, you guys just have to try. 



I purchased a chromecast today and just got it hooked up.  

I went on to Dirtvision and watched one of the archives to see how it works---and it worked well.

 

However, where do I go on Dirtvision's site to see the upcoming video broadcasts?  All I see is radio broadcasts.  I cannot locate the video link anywhere.  ????? 



blazer00
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Posted By: egras on March 02 2018 at 08:12:21 PM

I purchased a chromecast today and just got it hooked up.  

I went on to Dirtvision and watched one of the archives to see how it works---and it worked well.

 

However, where do I go on Dirtvision's site to see the upcoming video broadcasts?  All I see is radio broadcasts.  I cannot locate the video link anywhere.  ????? 



That's all i currently have, also. It was like that for the Vegas broadast, too. The "Watch" link became available the day of, a few hours before broadcast. I suspect that might be the norm for the PPV broadcasts with the new package......



blazer00
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Posted By: Nickules on March 02 2018 at 05:20:58 PM

Oh I agree that is legal and shady. My point was just that it is standard procedure and they're setting new ground here. Like you I watch my auto renewals too but as you indicate proprietors of said services do bank on the majority of consumers not watching as closely. 



Maybe the two of us have helped anybody who hasn't been watching their auto renewals closely enough.....wink



hardon
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My first question on this is why aren't races on TV anymore?  Through the years there used to be weekly racing on TNN then on the Outdoor channel then on the speed channel (although I think it was delayed) and the big money races were always on TV, why are they not anymore?

As for the price I think it's too expensive.  It has nothing to do with being able to afford it or not (we could all pinch a few pennys to make up $40 a month) it's about value for the amount of money.  For $40 a month I could get a full streaming service from someone like PSVue, SlingTV or DirectTV now.  With that there is several channels on at anytime of the day.  For $200 a year roughly I can (and do) get NFL Gamepass.  With this I get every preseason game, every regular season game and every playoff game.  Basically if there's an NFL game I can see it.  With this I also get full access to the NFL Network and all of their shows on demand.  I think $200 a year is fair for getting unlimited access to a professional sport.  Now I understand that there is a lot more cost for Dirtvision versus gamepass to put the broadcast out.  I also realize there's more live action available with this than gamepass.  If you were a single or retired guy that had nothing else going on in life and lived for sprint car racing on a nightly basis, yeah it's not a bad deal.  But for me (35 years old, 2 kids, work full time for a living and have a wife who hates sitting at home watching TV night after night) it's a tough sell.  I might see 5-10 races a month live.  If I can't see it live then what's the point?  I can read about it shortly afterwards and watch highlights the next day for free.  I think the best way to go about this would be a tierd service where for $50 a year I could see maybe 10 races a year, whichever ones I wanted to watch, excluding the big money races, for $100 a year I could watch whatever 20 races a year I wanted to including the big races, for $150 a year I could get 50 races a year and for $200 a year I would have unlimited access.  If that were an option I would no doubt get the $100 a year package.

StanM I understand you liking the Roku, it's a great device.  However I also read that you setup a Linux computer.  Have you seen the Rasberry Pi?  It's the size of a deck of cards and you can put Linux on it.  To me it would be much easier to use this than casting your phone screen to whatever device.



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My first question on this is why aren't races on TV anymore?  Through the years there used to be weekly racing on TNN then on the Outdoor channel then on the speed channel (although I think it was delayed) and the big money races were always on TV, why are they not anymore?

As for the price I think it's too expensive.  It has nothing to do with being able to afford it or not (we could all pinch a few pennys to make up $40 a month) it's about value for the amount of money.  For $40 a month I could get a full streaming service from someone like PSVue, SlingTV or DirectTV now.  With that there is several channels on at anytime of the day.  For $200 a year roughly I can (and do) get NFL Gamepass.  With this I get every preseason game, every regular season game and every playoff game.  Basically if there's an NFL game I can see it.  With this I also get full access to the NFL Network and all of their shows on demand.  I think $200 a year is fair for getting unlimited access to a professional sport.  Now I understand that there is a lot more cost for Dirtvision versus gamepass to put the broadcast out.  I also realize there's more live action available with this than gamepass.  If you were a single or retired guy that had nothing else going on in life and lived for sprint car racing on a nightly basis, yeah it's not a bad deal.  But for me (35 years old, 2 kids, work full time for a living and have a wife who hates sitting at home watching TV night after night) it's a tough sell.  I might see 5-10 races a month live.  If I can't see it live then what's the point?  I can read about it shortly afterwards and watch highlights the next day for free.  I think the best way to go about this would be a tierd service where for $50 a year I could see maybe 10 races a year, whichever ones I wanted to watch, excluding the big money races, for $100 a year I could watch whatever 20 races a year I wanted to including the big races, for $150 a year I could get 50 races a year and for $200 a year I would have unlimited access.  If that were an option I would no doubt get the $100 a year package.

StanM I understand you liking the Roku, it's a great device.  However I also read that you setup a Linux computer.  Have you seen the Rasberry Pi?  It's the size of a deck of cards and you can put Linux on it.  To me it would be much easier to use this than casting your phone screen to whatever device.



I don't think it is overpriced at all.  Now, if I get done with the first month and don't think I got my money's worth (not being home to watch enough, etc) then I won't continue.  We are a niche market.  The 4 major sports get 10's of millions of viewers to buy their full season packages.  That will stabilize the price at around the $200-300 mark.  No way that can be done here running all over the country with thousands of followers.  

Personally, I think it's great as I only get to see 2 or 3 Outlaw races per year.  At the end of the day, I hope they do make a ton of money so they can continue the service.



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Posted By: StanM on March 02 2018 at 05:39:44 AM

Why no streaming devices?  That's the reason I subscribe to LORTV, they make it easy for cord cutters by offering through Roku.  My only options the way it is now is a computer monitor or hauling my wife's laptop downstairs and connecthing through HDMI.  Too much hassle, even for the Outlaws.



Stan,

Here is the easy answer when it comes to ROKU for streaming services:

It is VERY COSTLY for a small percentage of folks who use those devices to watch. App development is very expensive, Roku wants 30% of all sales streamed through it, and security is an issue. Another route is a "private channel" but that is against Roku's terms of service (borderline illegal) and could be shut down at any time.

Until it is more cost effective to develop and stream to these devices you won't see many companies do so. Lucas Oil has a couple advertising dollars to dump. Smaller groups do not.

Hopefully this answers you question on this subject. 

Barry

 



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Posted By: hardon on March 03 2018 at 12:56:33 AM

My first question on this is why aren't races on TV anymore?  Through the years there used to be weekly racing on TNN then on the Outdoor channel then on the speed channel (although I think it was delayed) and the big money races were always on TV, why are they not anymore?

As for the price I think it's too expensive.  It has nothing to do with being able to afford it or not (we could all pinch a few pennys to make up $40 a month) it's about value for the amount of money.  For $40 a month I could get a full streaming service from someone like PSVue, SlingTV or DirectTV now.  With that there is several channels on at anytime of the day.  For $200 a year roughly I can (and do) get NFL Gamepass.  With this I get every preseason game, every regular season game and every playoff game.  Basically if there's an NFL game I can see it.  With this I also get full access to the NFL Network and all of their shows on demand.  I think $200 a year is fair for getting unlimited access to a professional sport.  Now I understand that there is a lot more cost for Dirtvision versus gamepass to put the broadcast out.  I also realize there's more live action available with this than gamepass.  If you were a single or retired guy that had nothing else going on in life and lived for sprint car racing on a nightly basis, yeah it's not a bad deal.  But for me (35 years old, 2 kids, work full time for a living and have a wife who hates sitting at home watching TV night after night) it's a tough sell.  I might see 5-10 races a month live.  If I can't see it live then what's the point?  I can read about it shortly afterwards and watch highlights the next day for free.  I think the best way to go about this would be a tierd service where for $50 a year I could see maybe 10 races a year, whichever ones I wanted to watch, excluding the big money races, for $100 a year I could watch whatever 20 races a year I wanted to including the big races, for $150 a year I could get 50 races a year and for $200 a year I would have unlimited access.  If that were an option I would no doubt get the $100 a year package.

StanM I understand you liking the Roku, it's a great device.  However I also read that you setup a Linux computer.  Have you seen the Rasberry Pi?  It's the size of a deck of cards and you can put Linux on it.  To me it would be much easier to use this than casting your phone screen to whatever device.



I have a Linux desktop that I use for photos, graphics and music files that I record on a Tascam DP24 portable studio and the wife's laptop is Linux as well.  Hers is a System76 and mine was build by Zareason, both sell fully compatible Linux computers.  I bought them as an upgrade before I retire late this summer so I've got something to do when the career is over.  If I were to purchase the comparable Windows or Mac versions of the open source software I use it would cost me around $3000. 

I've got so damn many computers, streaming devices, studio equipment, guitars, bass, keys that it's getting overwhelming trying to maintain everything.  People my age aren't supposed to know how to do email so I guess I'm setting a bad example for my tech challenged contemporaries.

The wife's System76 laptop has HDMI out so I could use that if I wanted to.  There appears to be a number of ways I could take advantage of the Dirtvision viewing experience.  Hauling the laptop downstairs for every race. watching on the computer which isn't bad, figuring out how to cast from my phone.  Roku may even have added a browser but I haven't checked the new apps lately. 

Actually I was looking at the schedule and I could get the 30 day pass starting with the Jackson Nationals and it would take me through night one of Cedar Lake.  I'll probably do that then pull the camera out of mothballs and see if I still remember how to shoot a photo on night two. 


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I will not now or ever will think that $5 for a PPV race is expensive and can't believe anyone else would either.  Do the math folks, it's likely the best PPV in racing you are ever going to see even with some rainouts here and there.  For those that were paying $24.95 a race this is simply a great deal and well priced by the Outlaw folks, job well done and I'll bet sales are stronger than they have even been.....



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I will not now or ever will think that $5 for a PPV race is expensive and can't believe anyone else would either.  Do the math folks, it's likely the best PPV in racing you are ever going to see even with some rainouts here and there.  For those that were paying $24.95 a race this is simply a great deal and well priced by the Outlaw folks, job well done and I'll bet sales are stronger than they have even been.....



As long as you can cancel after 30 days or at the beginning of a month, it's a great deal



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Posted By: StanM on March 02 2018 at 02:20:29 PM

People my age aren't supposed to understand those kinds of things but I spent last week setting up a new Linux computer and I use the Roku remote app on my to run headphones through.  I saw something about casting on my phone and in the Roku menu so I'll have to look into it.

Despite what MSPN thinks I'm not chasing races anymore.  Those late night drives got a lot tougher at 65 so this streaming deal can keep me in the loop if I can convince my accountant.  She's a tough sell and doesn't get why NASCAR free broadcasts aren't enough.

MSPN, work with me on this.  I'm lobbying for a dirtvision senior discount.  It sucks following a sport since 1960 only to get left by the wayside by late night drives and PPV prices.  LOL



Good idea there Stan, I am also of retirement age and a few years older than you just not as computer sharp, electronic sharp and likely maybe many more, lol.  I started with the Super Modified thing back in the 50's and chased the Outlaws to between 500 and 600 shows from the 90's on, heck maybe that's worth a discount too, but I did have a Pass, so I guess not, oops....



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Posted By: hardon on March 03 2018 at 12:56:33 AM

My first question on this is why aren't races on TV anymore?  Through the years there used to be weekly racing on TNN then on the Outdoor channel then on the speed channel (although I think it was delayed) and the big money races were always on TV, why are they not anymore?

As for the price I think it's too expensive.  It has nothing to do with being able to afford it or not (we could all pinch a few pennys to make up $40 a month) it's about value for the amount of money.  For $40 a month I could get a full streaming service from someone like PSVue, SlingTV or DirectTV now.  With that there is several channels on at anytime of the day.  For $200 a year roughly I can (and do) get NFL Gamepass.  With this I get every preseason game, every regular season game and every playoff game.  Basically if there's an NFL game I can see it.  With this I also get full access to the NFL Network and all of their shows on demand.  I think $200 a year is fair for getting unlimited access to a professional sport.  Now I understand that there is a lot more cost for Dirtvision versus gamepass to put the broadcast out.  I also realize there's more live action available with this than gamepass.  If you were a single or retired guy that had nothing else going on in life and lived for sprint car racing on a nightly basis, yeah it's not a bad deal.  But for me (35 years old, 2 kids, work full time for a living and have a wife who hates sitting at home watching TV night after night) it's a tough sell.  I might see 5-10 races a month live.  If I can't see it live then what's the point?  I can read about it shortly afterwards and watch highlights the next day for free.  I think the best way to go about this would be a tierd service where for $50 a year I could see maybe 10 races a year, whichever ones I wanted to watch, excluding the big money races, for $100 a year I could watch whatever 20 races a year I wanted to including the big races, for $150 a year I could get 50 races a year and for $200 a year I would have unlimited access.  If that were an option I would no doubt get the $100 a year package.

StanM I understand you liking the Roku, it's a great device.  However I also read that you setup a Linux computer.  Have you seen the Rasberry Pi?  It's the size of a deck of cards and you can put Linux on it.  To me it would be much easier to use this than casting your phone screen to whatever device.



I attend 10 or 11 World of Outlaws shows a year.. The cheapiest single night ticket I pay  is at Eldora for $28 ..  Most tracks are $35 or more per night....  SO, for $39/mo. to see even 2 races on PPV is a big savings....   I will gladly pay $39/mo. ( average of $4.00/per)  to watch the 60 some races I'm not able to attend...      



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Stan,

Here is the easy answer when it comes to ROKU for streaming services:

It is VERY COSTLY for a small percentage of folks who use those devices to watch. App development is very expensive, Roku wants 30% of all sales streamed through it, and security is an issue. Another route is a "private channel" but that is against Roku's terms of service (borderline illegal) and could be shut down at any time.

Until it is more cost effective to develop and stream to these devices you won't see many companies do so. Lucas Oil has a couple advertising dollars to dump. Smaller groups do not.

Hopefully this answers you question on this subject. 

Barry

 



We discussed this a couple years ago and I understand that Roku is cost prohibitive for these PPV racing services.  That doesn't make sitting in an office chair at a computer as opossed to a recliner and a big screen TV any more comfortable.  I first subscribed to cable in 1985 and saw the Thursday Thunder and Diamond P Outlaw productions before I even got my first PC in '96.  It's kind of frustrating to have seen the sport take two steps forward and three steps back in the last 30+ years.  I used to have live Sprint Car racing that required nothing more than pushing a couple buttons on the remote.  Now today I'm finding myself having to evaluate connectivity options.  Every now and then this thing will slap me in the face and remind me that even the Greatest Show On Dirt is still to small to present easy viewing options that don't require a financial commitment.  Why can't I just be a baseball fan, games on every night at no extra cost.  wink


Stan Meissner



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