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January 13, 2013 at
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 12:20:57 AM
Regular USAC or Powri midget rules would work better at the chili bowl. It would foster competition instead of mechanical dominance by two cars. The car count might drop some,but all the decent competition would still be there. At Belleville open rules would allow for people to find innovative cheaper ways to be fast on the big track. The open rules were perfect for growing this event, but now they will ruin it. There were only two cars with a chance to win the last 3 years. That's a bad thing.
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sure, change the rules of something that is a succes, that would make alot of sence. People are talking about this race for 2-3 months before it starts. How many of you complainers even went to the race? You do not mess with something that works.
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 02:14:21 AM
Tony sucked at fort wayne this year.
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Could you be less simple? Does sucks mean qualifying 2nd, behind another Munchkin, winning your heat race, and taking the lead of the feature, and dropping of with brake failure, strike you as sucked?
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Posted By: Sprinter 79 on January 13 2013 at 02:07:08 AM
Truth is that the Chilli Bowl is getting a little boring with the same guys at the front. Regardless of the cause, it is losing it's luster with me. Kevin is a good driver, but come on. The Swindell's have figured something out, that is for certain. It is not simple skill behind the wheel. Great for them, not so much for the program as a whole.
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Remember the word LUCK. Both of Swindells could have collided with lapped cars, both of them could have drawn bad numbers for heat races. Think about it.
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 02:13:10 AM
Building a car especially for the chili bowl with a front end that wouldn't be legal anywhere else.
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What's different with the front end?
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 02:14:21 AM
Tony sucked at fort wayne this year.
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If by sucked you mean, qualified 2nd(behind another illegal Munchkin), won his heat race, and dropped out of the feature while leading. He did suck.
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For those that think the Chili Bowl is impervious to anything.....you are half right and half wrong.
Emmett Hahn would be the first to tell you he didn't do anything to make this event what it is. He just did the things a promoter should. One thing that is exceptional is how he has kept it going. Anywhere else - every level of local government would be clamoring to shut it down. To that end, I think few promoters could deal with that issue the way Hahn has. Tulsa loves him - as it should too lol.
The second factor that blew the top off the whole thing was NASCAR drivers showing up to the joint - and by extensions NASCAR's meteoric rise following the death of Dale Earnhardt. Tony Stewart's title right after that tragedy came before an audience few ever dreamed possible. No coincidence that folks from all over the nation flocked to Tulsa - and a lot of them were not there to see Darland or Kruseman. Probably had never even heard of them.
I think the number of "those" (we all know who I'm talkin about lol) at the Chili Bowl has dwindled. But it the explosion wasn't just in the stands, it happened behind the grandstands too. There could be a lot of factors in why the car count rose the way it did, but the Nascar drivers there had to have played a hand - and by the past few years - it's just become a beast of its' own. The Nascar drivers could stay away and it will still get 200+ and be chalk full.
And one of the biggest reasons/clues for that lies in the show that precedes it. The car count stays above 250 because a fresh crop of rookies feed it every year. Many of these come from right there in Tulsa. That town is quickly turning into one of the biggest hubs of open wheel racing anywhere, in quantity and quality - and yet they don't even have a proper sprint car track. But they have arguably the top mini sprint track in the nation, and the talent coming out of there is unbelievable. Port City has become a beast in the same way the Chili Bowl has. It means something not just to win there, but just to even compete. Less fans coming from nationwide - more regional fans will take their place.
And if any form of viable midget racing gets going in Oklahoma - I think the young talent would fill any easy drops in teams coming from the furthest reaches. I thought economy would get it down this year - and yet they had 265. The economy has hit dirt track racing hard.....but not this event. Maybe it's a bubble that could still pop someday - but there will have to be other elements in that bubble because clearly a poor economy alone won't do a whole lot to this event. It really is the biggest event in all of dirt track racing. The sheer scope of it is astounding. It doesn't pay a whole lot - and while there is prestige in winning it - it's not the ultimate reason anyone is there. The reason that place will always be full will be the event itself. Sure the A Main can suck sometimes, in fact most of the time it does...but the majority of the racing on Saturday is very, very good. And the 4 qualifying nights are exceptional as well.
I don't see this race going anywhere. Mostly because IMO if it was going to start declining, it would have happened in the past few years. What does it have going for it? Amazingly enough - it's not the purse. It's an event. A happening. The best of all happenings in this sport, really. The best event in the sport - in winter - indoors - with good track prep throughout the week - the prestige - the party - it has become it's own thing.
One last thing to point out. It's almost unfair. The entire dirt track community hit offseason a couple months before it. So here is this huge, 5 day show/party that breaks the offseason in half. This is a huge boon to attendance in the pits and stands. How could it not be??? lol.
On the flip side - summer promoters could never get a race like this together, not even with winged sprints. It's accidentally brilliant of the Hahn family, and if you're a outdoor promoter it's totally unfair LOL. They pay 10k to win and get a variable result with 50 being the ceiling. Look at what Knoxville pays - and what they get in return.
So in analyzing the Chili Bowl - the purse vs. what comes in. The sheer numbers defy a lot of realities. LOL it just ain't fair to the promoters that gotta sweat it and take big risks to maybe make a meager profit...
Kudos to them for never bitching about it. But I'll bet some of them have some ideas.....and all the better for the sport when they do 
But if the Hahn's held this race outdoors at Creek County in June/July/August - for the same purse.......what would happen?
I bet they would still do it best lol.
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
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page breaks clearly didn't work for me there. screw it lol
How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a
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Can anyone please advise the amount of payout of the event?
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January 13, 2013 at
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ONLY THING THEY NEED TO DO IS ADD A SMALL INVERSION. I DONT MIND WATCHING SOMEONE DOMINATE BUT, LETS AT LEAST HAVE THEM WORK A LITTLE BIT AT IT...MOST DRIVERS CAN WIN FROM A POLE STARTING SPOT .. SO LETS HAVE A 4,6,OR 8 DRAW.. IF YOU THINK YOU ARE THAT GOOD THEN YOU WONT MIND THAT ANYWAY.. A
COMPLETE INVERSION WOULD WORK ALSO.. I THINK THEY COULD USE A TROPHY CUP STYLE SOME HOW ..
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Posted By: OKCFan12 on January 13 2013 at 06:26:37 AM
For those that think the Chili Bowl is impervious to anything.....you are half right and half wrong.
Emmett Hahn would be the first to tell you he didn't do anything to make this event what it is. He just did the things a promoter should. One thing that is exceptional is how he has kept it going. Anywhere else - every level of local government would be clamoring to shut it down. To that end, I think few promoters could deal with that issue the way Hahn has. Tulsa loves him - as it should too lol.
The second factor that blew the top off the whole thing was NASCAR drivers showing up to the joint - and by extensions NASCAR's meteoric rise following the death of Dale Earnhardt. Tony Stewart's title right after that tragedy came before an audience few ever dreamed possible. No coincidence that folks from all over the nation flocked to Tulsa - and a lot of them were not there to see Darland or Kruseman. Probably had never even heard of them.
I think the number of "those" (we all know who I'm talkin about lol) at the Chili Bowl has dwindled. But it the explosion wasn't just in the stands, it happened behind the grandstands too. There could be a lot of factors in why the car count rose the way it did, but the Nascar drivers there had to have played a hand - and by the past few years - it's just become a beast of its' own. The Nascar drivers could stay away and it will still get 200+ and be chalk full.
And one of the biggest reasons/clues for that lies in the show that precedes it. The car count stays above 250 because a fresh crop of rookies feed it every year. Many of these come from right there in Tulsa. That town is quickly turning into one of the biggest hubs of open wheel racing anywhere, in quantity and quality - and yet they don't even have a proper sprint car track. But they have arguably the top mini sprint track in the nation, and the talent coming out of there is unbelievable. Port City has become a beast in the same way the Chili Bowl has. It means something not just to win there, but just to even compete. Less fans coming from nationwide - more regional fans will take their place.
And if any form of viable midget racing gets going in Oklahoma - I think the young talent would fill any easy drops in teams coming from the furthest reaches. I thought economy would get it down this year - and yet they had 265. The economy has hit dirt track racing hard.....but not this event. Maybe it's a bubble that could still pop someday - but there will have to be other elements in that bubble because clearly a poor economy alone won't do a whole lot to this event. It really is the biggest event in all of dirt track racing. The sheer scope of it is astounding. It doesn't pay a whole lot - and while there is prestige in winning it - it's not the ultimate reason anyone is there. The reason that place will always be full will be the event itself. Sure the A Main can suck sometimes, in fact most of the time it does...but the majority of the racing on Saturday is very, very good. And the 4 qualifying nights are exceptional as well.
I don't see this race going anywhere. Mostly because IMO if it was going to start declining, it would have happened in the past few years. What does it have going for it? Amazingly enough - it's not the purse. It's an event. A happening. The best of all happenings in this sport, really. The best event in the sport - in winter - indoors - with good track prep throughout the week - the prestige - the party - it has become it's own thing.
One last thing to point out. It's almost unfair. The entire dirt track community hit offseason a couple months before it. So here is this huge, 5 day show/party that breaks the offseason in half. This is a huge boon to attendance in the pits and stands. How could it not be??? lol.
On the flip side - summer promoters could never get a race like this together, not even with winged sprints. It's accidentally brilliant of the Hahn family, and if you're a outdoor promoter it's totally unfair LOL. They pay 10k to win and get a variable result with 50 being the ceiling. Look at what Knoxville pays - and what they get in return.
So in analyzing the Chili Bowl - the purse vs. what comes in. The sheer numbers defy a lot of realities. LOL it just ain't fair to the promoters that gotta sweat it and take big risks to maybe make a meager profit...
Kudos to them for never bitching about it. But I'll bet some of them have some ideas.....and all the better for the sport when they do
But if the Hahn's held this race outdoors at Creek County in June/July/August - for the same purse.......what would happen?
I bet they would still do it best lol.
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Good info/comment OKCfan. Per your comments, the purse is only a portion of the motivation for both participants and fans. The Chili Bowl "experience" is perhaps the greatest value and reason for its past and future success/
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Just my opinion, but there were cars on the track last night that were fast enough to win, that werent being piloted by a Swindell. The biggest problem was, when the track went away at about lap 20, they werent in the lead.
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Written by Sister Ann for Bet n Housen who can't see but has an opinion,Winning the Chili Bowl is like winning the Kentucky Derby on a horse with no name,who cares,who will remember?No rules no justification,you might as well as throw the winning car off a cliff it has no place with any law abiding racer. So you can win with no rules,who cares,who really does,only your family,you can't win with the car under a rules package so you are just blowing smoke.
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Anybody know where I can find some pics of this trick front end or swindells cars in general.
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on January 13 2013 at 02:13:10 AM
Building a car especially for the chili bowl with a front end that wouldn't be legal anywhere else.
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WOW guess you have seen bondios cars. better yet show the rule from USAC or PowerI that lays out what is legal or illegal in the front end. Then please explain to us mister chassis engineer why you believe the front end was the HOT TICKET to 5 wins in a row by the swindell clan.
I don't aim to please.
I aim to hit the target.
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The statement made by Rogue about the illegal front end speaks volumes about his knowledge of the sport. Is there anything about a front end that can be illegal?
The only rule they could pass that could even come close to leveling the field and perhaps take away the Swindell advantage, is to require all cars be equiped with Monroe 50/50 shocks on all four corners. Sammy probably has the best understanding of shock science than any driver or builder or owner in the sport today, both sprints and midgets. I venture to say that if you put Sammy in a dirt late model, within a short period he would be competitive and his selection of shocks would make the difference.
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I think it is funny another successful event (or driver) and somebody has to bitch, moan and complain about it. Don't like the event and it is getting boring too you then don't go. I am sure there is a waiting list for your ticket and your seat.
Three-fourths of you people bitching over everything and everybody must live a very miserable life.
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Posted By: 21wforacer on January 13 2013 at 01:22:26 AM
Yep them rules work so well. Lets give em a motor chassis and tire rule. WOrks so well with world of outlaws. Leave the rules as blank and instead of crying cause someone beat you Tony should put down the burger king go in to the shop and do what guys like Junior Johnson, Smokey Yunick, AJ Foyt, Dan Gurney, Shelby, And Sammy do......Work instead of crying to the media.
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You talk about Stewart crying.Sammy Swindell cries at every race he doesn't win.Stewart only point was the cars are not legal at a lot of tracks.But I will agree the rules are the same for everyone at the CB.
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Posted By: fast_crew on January 13 2013 at 09:36:01 AM
Anybody know where I can find some pics of this trick front end or swindells cars in general.
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Here is a picture of Kevin Swindell's ultra trick "Cheater's Front End" -- looks like a pretty basic coil over suspension. https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=579660918726613&set=at.149740251718684.27533.148972508462125.1407648669&type=1&theater
Here is Sammy's "Cheater Front Suspension" https://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=577710545588317&set=at.149740251718684.27533.148972508462125.1407648669&type=3&theater
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Races with someone with a superior vehicle than others scare me. I can't wait till Obama has everyone equally poor and then the Chili Bowl will be the only thing screwed up. Fat guys in marathons might be another problem we need to look at.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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