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dirtracer74
July 12, 2015 at 04:05:32 PM
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The part that I am afraid of, with these digital/ electronic bleeders, is the fact that we are now one small step away from a crew member having an app on his phone to change the pressure from the pits. 



Madz
July 13, 2015 at 03:25:14 AM
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No reason to worry. i could do it but that would be illegal with most organizations so there is no need to build it that way. The Swindell Bleeders must be manually adjusted.



donedirty
May 26, 2016 at 07:15:07 PM
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Posted By: Madz on July 12 2015 at 08:29:54 AM

Anybody who knows me knows that I've overseen my race teams the last several years with some help from a friend Curtis and my son Asa.

I started working on the Swindell Bleeder over 4 years ago out of necessity because we'd spend way to much time to get the others right and you had to have spares set at different pressures for options and they hardly ever came in on the money.

I've come up with many innovations in racing over the years and never did it to make money, even with all the safety items I passed it all on to other manufacturers to simply get the products out there to try to pass on the knowledge I'd found.

When I got the first bleeder to work I realized it worked so good that most everybody would want them so I went to work on the patents to get them covered before I released them all the while I would sneak it out to the car in my uniform and slide it in the right rear when no one was looking and put the mud cover on it.

After the patents were taken care of I showed them to Sammy and even though I was still having some battery issues he wanted a set and he never took them out.

I finally got 16 sets of some good batteries and released them to a select few late last year to test, and they all actually bought them, they weren't freebies, which is a testament to the product.

I have never said that they will make you win races, if that was the case we would have won every race this year.

What they will do is save you some time because all you have to do is give them a quick charge the day of a race and that is the extent of the maintenance.

They will make your tire wear more consistant due to the pressure staying where you set them thus saving more tires to run at a later race.

They will be more consistant on long runs and you can evaluate your setup with more accuracy because you know that the pressure was right.

I am very proud of my bleeders and very blessed with this product and I will not knock anybody elses because I know now just how hard it is to get a product to market.

As for the video, the setting on the second wheel bleeder was at 9lbs but I had my sensor set at 12 because I really didn't think it would get that high and I didn't want the solenoid energized the entire time. One thing we learned form that was not just how high it got but the fact that within the two minutes it took to get back to the pit the pressure was back down to 9.3lbs where as without the video we would have thought that we were pretty close on the setting.

You can also watch the video of the left and right rear I did of a WoO show with several reds and yellows to see exactly what the pressure loss due to temperature loss is all about on my Facebook page "Swindell Bleeders"

Thanks for letting me clear up a few things.

As for Sopa16, call me anytime day or night and I'll be glad to offer up any information I have to help you make the right choices on your settings.

Jeff Swindell

901-550-9190



Isnt it  true that Seth Wilson holds the patent to the digital bleeders ?

Isnt it true Swindell Bleeders have never gotten patented even though you clearly say so on your websites and in forums and by word of mouth ?

It is true that Swindell bleeder patent got REJECTED earlier this month of may 2016.

Google Seth Wilson Tire pressure control system patent.......   maybe Jeff should read again too

 

 

 

 




kossuth
May 26, 2016 at 09:10:37 PM
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Posted By: dirtracer74 on July 12 2015 at 04:05:32 PM

The part that I am afraid of, with these digital/ electronic bleeders, is the fact that we are now one small step away from a crew member having an app on his phone to change the pressure from the pits. 



Same could be said of the ignition boxes being able to advance and retard timing.  While it's not outside the realm of possibility somebody could package a small enough transceiver to accomplish such a trick would it really net much of a gain?  Could shoot yourself in the foot and bleed off too much. 

TBH there are bigger things to get worked up than this possibility.   



henry chinaski
May 27, 2016 at 12:26:33 PM
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Posted By: donedirty on May 26 2016 at 07:15:07 PM

Isnt it  true that Seth Wilson holds the patent to the digital bleeders ?

Isnt it true Swindell Bleeders have never gotten patented even though you clearly say so on your websites and in forums and by word of mouth ?

It is true that Swindell bleeder patent got REJECTED earlier this month of may 2016.

Google Seth Wilson Tire pressure control system patent.......   maybe Jeff should read again too

 

 

 

 



Yep it's plain as day that Seth Wilson (USAC/CRA racer) invented and patented such a device. Looks like the patent was applied for somewhere around 2008-2009 and was awarded officially in 2011. No question about who actually invented/patented it if you read the official filings. Interesting.


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j20s
May 27, 2016 at 01:15:03 PM
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Posted By: henry chinaski on May 27 2016 at 12:26:33 PM

Yep it's plain as day that Seth Wilson (USAC/CRA racer) invented and patented such a device. Looks like the patent was applied for somewhere around 2008-2009 and was awarded officially in 2011. No question about who actually invented/patented it if you read the official filings. Interesting.



I just couldn't believe a Swindell would do something shady or dirty. They are such class acts. You know, they race you clean, they aren't total dicks. It wouldn't fit in line with the typical Swindell MO. You know? 




vande77
May 27, 2016 at 01:16:19 PM
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Posted By: henry chinaski on May 27 2016 at 12:26:33 PM

Yep it's plain as day that Seth Wilson (USAC/CRA racer) invented and patented such a device. Looks like the patent was applied for somewhere around 2008-2009 and was awarded officially in 2011. No question about who actually invented/patented it if you read the official filings. Interesting.



you can patent anything including ideas for products you have never produced or attempted to produce.  I've never heard of the Wilson Bleeder, is it on the market somewhere??

If you improve upon a patented idea, you can patent that too....and you don't have to be the person that patented the original idea and you owe them nothing unless they can prove damages, but if you're not producing anything, you don't have a business that can be damaged last I checked.

Now, you could be a patent troll and just file patents on ideas to file them so you can sue in the state of Texas and get large settlements, but I doubt Seth Wilson is a patent troll.

That is why many companies also have Trade Secrets where they intentionally don't patent something (usually processes on how they produce a product opposed to the product itself).

If Jeff's product is not the same design or concept, he can also be awarded a patent.   And many times, the paperwork gets done way before the official patent is awarded, as evidenced with Seth Wilson's patent that took 2 years from application to award.



smokerudrinkplayeruget
May 27, 2016 at 06:30:47 PM
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Posted By: j20s on May 27 2016 at 01:15:03 PM

I just couldn't believe a Swindell would do something shady or dirty. They are such class acts. You know, they race you clean, they aren't total dicks. It wouldn't fit in line with the typical Swindell MO. You know? 



I wouldn't be quick to paint Jeff with Sammi's brush, just sayin.



linbob
May 27, 2016 at 10:24:29 PM
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Posted By: j20s on May 27 2016 at 01:15:03 PM

I just couldn't believe a Swindell would do something shady or dirty. They are such class acts. You know, they race you clean, they aren't total dicks. It wouldn't fit in line with the typical Swindell MO. You know? 



I am sure Wilson knows about Swindells bleeders.  If Wilson is not concerned about it why should we.  Wilson could ask Swindell to quit selling them or he could decide he will never build them and does not care.  These patents can get complicated and I do not really know much about them.




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May 28, 2016 at 01:06:05 AM
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Posted By: j20s on May 27 2016 at 01:15:03 PM

I just couldn't believe a Swindell would do something shady or dirty. They are such class acts. You know, they race you clean, they aren't total dicks. It wouldn't fit in line with the typical Swindell MO. You know? 



He left his phone number at the end. Anyone that disputes what he said is free to call him. Let us know what you find out.

There's a reason race drivers very seldom post on here. It isn't because the driver lacks class, it's because this place does.


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outlawtroy_86
May 22, 2017 at 10:42:36 AM
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Posted By: 88sprint on July 08 2015 at 02:15:20 PM

I watched the video on his site.  Says the 2nd bleeder was set at 9, but got up to 12-13.  Looks like the setting on the bleeder is at 12 though???  The left bleeder says 8 on the screen, stayed around 8.  Right pic says 12 on the screen, stayed around 12 after it heated up.  I don't guess I understand where the claimed 9 comes in to play??  The left one had red light any time over 8, as the display is set at.  The right one showed a red light at 12, as the display was set at.  I guess I am not following what the video was supposed to be showing...



The 2nd bleeder was set at 9, the reason you see the 12 is because the other bleeder isnt a swindell bleeder. they are just using the swindell for the digital read out and they set it high so it wouldnt interfear with the other bleeders bleed off speed. So in other words, the second display wheel had two bleeders in it, one beeing the swindell being used as a read out and the other companys bleeder doing the actual bleed off.



linbob
May 22, 2017 at 01:57:31 PM
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Posted By: heinen81 on July 08 2015 at 12:10:36 PM

Can someone explain the advatage over the Conroy Pneu style bleeders? We run the Conroy Pneu style w/gold bleeders and after an extended green flag run, come in within 1 lb on each side, of what we set at cold air pressures. They work great. Can someone with experiance in both systems, comment on where they saw the differance worth the additional $900 cost? Not saying there isnt any, just curious what they can provide over the sysytem we run now. As far as taking up time.... we clean them every week in the shop, and a quick once over at the track between uses. I cant see where there is a huge savings in maintenance time.



we use the gold bleeders also and have had no problem with them at all.  They do not hiss when pulled into pits so they must have let air out on track.  Our problem this year is that we bought a new air pressure guage and found it to be 1 and 1/2 pounds off at what it said as 8 lbs.




MoOpenwheel
May 22, 2017 at 03:28:49 PM
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Posted By: linbob on May 22 2017 at 01:57:31 PM

we use the gold bleeders also and have had no problem with them at all.  They do not hiss when pulled into pits so they must have let air out on track.  Our problem this year is that we bought a new air pressure guage and found it to be 1 and 1/2 pounds off at what it said as 8 lbs.



Are you using the axle housing to hold the bleeder or putting it straight into the wheel like old?  And how are the gold ones different than the large black ones from a few years ago?  Thanks.   



linbob
May 22, 2017 at 07:17:17 PM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on May 22 2017 at 03:28:49 PM

Are you using the axle housing to hold the bleeder or putting it straight into the wheel like old?  And how are the gold ones different than the large black ones from a few years ago?  Thanks.   



Into axel houseing.  Have tried red, black and gold.  Gold by far worked best for us.  I do not know how they are made different.  People we buy them from also said others have had best results with gold.



motorhead748
May 22, 2017 at 09:05:14 PM
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A little off topic I know. It was close to 30 year ago she I saw a car we raced against with a cocpit adjustable RR tire psi system. It was fairly simple  and clever. 




MoOpenwheel
May 23, 2017 at 08:48:02 AM
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Posted By: linbob on May 22 2017 at 07:17:17 PM

Into axel houseing.  Have tried red, black and gold.  Gold by far worked best for us.  I do not know how they are made different.  People we buy them from also said others have had best results with gold.



We've got the diaphram type. They work OK but it's a little bit of a pain to change pressure. I kind of wish I had bought the poppet kind. It would be easier to already have a couple pre-set at different pressures. I assume the center piece is hard to get out of the axle like the diaphram type?

That's the biggest thing with Jeff's bleeder I think. Setting and changing them only takes a few seconds and you know exactly where it's at. But it's a lot of money for that convenience.



Keyboard Jockey
May 23, 2017 at 09:10:01 AM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on May 23 2017 at 08:48:02 AM

We've got the diaphram type. They work OK but it's a little bit of a pain to change pressure. I kind of wish I had bought the poppet kind. It would be easier to already have a couple pre-set at different pressures. I assume the center piece is hard to get out of the axle like the diaphram type?

That's the biggest thing with Jeff's bleeder I think. Setting and changing them only takes a few seconds and you know exactly where it's at. But it's a lot of money for that convenience.



As a guy who only has one crew member, the swindell bleeder has paid for itself in the time it takes to clean and maintenance regular bleeders.



MoOpenwheel
May 25, 2017 at 09:43:20 AM
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Posted By: linbob on May 22 2017 at 07:17:17 PM

Into axel houseing.  Have tried red, black and gold.  Gold by far worked best for us.  I do not know how they are made different.  People we buy them from also said others have had best results with gold.



One more question. Do you have much trouble getting the housing out of the axle? The diaphram type are sometimes not easy and they look to have more to get a hold of than the poppet style. Just curious. Thanks.




ryanhunsinger
May 25, 2017 at 02:57:11 PM
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Funny to see a thread about $1000 being way too expensive for bleeders when theres a used 360 on this same website for 36,000$





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